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makmeatt
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On March 08 2015 20:46 Belisarius wrote: Wait i'm confused. You yourself are 3k, and you've made a bet that you can suddenly start 1v9ing 90% of your games because...? Naw, it's not that exactly, I put it the wrong way. The idea is that I kept on saying that focusing on theory is the wrong way to go, since expecting anyone to follow it in this bracket is an ill-fated approach, whereas Minah kept on idealizing and analysing things while (as far as I understood it) ignoring the fact that by just playing a few heroes really well one can just blast through brackets without relying on said theory. I don't expect myself to suddenly start 1v9ing (I've already hit a brick wall, holy fuck http://www.dotabuff.com/players/24246979), but I'm hoping to get to a point where I won't have to put so much attention in mechanics soon enough. Besides, 1v9ing IS really easy, you just have to be aggressive all the time without yoloing while keeping up with cs, but for that you just have to have the basic mechanical skill to pull it off. I don't quite want to publish the entirety of the log a) because it will detour the attention from the main idea, b) because I'm not sure if Minah would be ok with that. | ||
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Belisarius
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Either way, the point is that you really don't have any grounds for saying you're correct when you haven't even done it yet. Stuff like [...] doesn't understand that 3k bracket can be 1v5d as long as you have decent mechanics and basic understanding of heroes and items. and 1v9ing IS really easy, you just have to be aggressive all the time without yoloing while keeping up with cs, but for that you just have to have the basic mechanical skill to pull it off. would carry a lot more weight if you were standing at 5k having done that on the way up. As it is, you're basically just theorycrafting the best means of improvement, which is going to vary from person to person anyway. | ||
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makmeatt
2024 Posts
On March 09 2015 08:56 Belisarius wrote: I'm not sure if that's you or you're complaining about someone in your games. If it is you there's an obvious concern here. Either way, the point is that you really don't have any grounds for saying you're correct when you haven't even done it yet. Stuff like and would carry a lot more weight if you were standing at 5k having done that on the way up. As it is, you're basically just theorycrafting the best means of improvement, which is going to vary from person to person anyway. http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1398477 I think you haven't seen this yet. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Of course a massively higher rated player is able to 1v9 your bracket. That doesn't mean you can, nor does it mean it is easy. | ||
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makmeatt
2024 Posts
On March 09 2015 10:33 Belisarius wrote: ....swiftending is 5-7k. Of course a massively higher rated player is able to 1v9 your bracket. That doesn't mean you can, nor does it mean it is easy. If you haven't seen it, you really should! At least read the Q&A linked in the first post; I recommend watching whichever replays have been saved from oblivion too. And obviously we have to realize that what is easy for one, might be difficult for the other. While I can't 1v9 my bracket for sure (otherwise I wouldn't be here) right now, it doesn't mean that I find it particularly hard to improve enough to be able to do so. The original point being that to get to that point I don't have to come up with some amazing ideas or next-level tactics, but merely practice hard enough to be able to consistently perform the basic ones. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On March 09 2015 10:43 makmeatt wrote: it doesn't mean that I find it particularly hard to improve enough to be able to do so. You clearly do, or your storm spirit wouldn't be 30% wr as your most played hero... I'm not taking issue with the idea that improving fundamentals and practicing a specific heropool will make you better. For some players it's probably even the fastest way up. I'm purely taking issue with you applying swiftending's experiment to your future self and then for some reason acting like that makes you a badass. | ||
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makmeatt
2024 Posts
On March 09 2015 11:04 Belisarius wrote: I'm purely taking issue with you applying swiftending's experiment to your future self and then for some reason acting like that makes you a badass. Sorry for making it sound like I was then. | ||
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Reson
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On March 09 2015 08:56 Belisarius wrote: I'm not sure if that's you or you're complaining about someone in your games. If it is you there's an obvious concern here. Either way, the point is that you really don't have any grounds for saying you're correct when you haven't even done it yet. Stuff like and would carry a lot more weight if you were standing at 5k having done that on the way up. As it is, you're basically just theorycrafting the best means of improvement, which is going to vary from person to person anyway. Why does he has to have to be 5k to say that? The first quote is saying that 1v5 in 3k is possible if you are good enough. He then uses Juice's experiment as an example of it being done. If the OP was 5k, this bet won't exist in the first place. Improving as a player and improving MMR are related but not the exact same thing. OP's methodology is much better than his friend's because he is doing things that are largely under his own control which will likely have a higher impact on the result. The friend's methodology is reliant on the action and mindset of others who are completely random. Even if the friend is right 100% of the time in his analysis and strategies, people can execute differently from expected. | ||
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Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
Don't think OP will make it to 5k anytime soon. Lifetime bet thou, so he should make it eventually. (That being said, I think OP would improve even quicker if he got over this silly grudge) | ||
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NubbleST
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