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makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 00:31:18
March 05 2015 23:36 GMT
#1
I have my doubts that making a blog out of anything is ever a reasonable thing to do, but here's to hope it will keep me motivated through pride.

So Minah is a major troll who doesn't understand that 3k bracket can be 1v5d as long as you have decent mechanics and basic understanding of heroes and items.

+ Show Spoiler [promise, you wuss] +
00:16 - [GsD]Minah: we dont have to all play your way >:(
00:16 - fooreaper~: not really
00:16 - fooreaper~: actually
00:16 - fooreaper~: not really as in not really, you really don't have to
00:16 - fooreaper~: but actually
00:16 - fooreaper~: how about
00:16 - fooreaper~: i reach 5k
00:16 - fooreaper~: and you shut up
00:16 - fooreaper~: forever
00:17 - fooreaper~: and reach 5k solo yourself
00:17 - fooreaper~: promise, you wuss
00:17 - [GsD]Minah: uh, sure? I mean I'm sure if you got every pro in a room they'd disagree on how to play dota


So this is the deal: I get to 5k solo (from 3.4k) and Minah stops theorizing and starts getting better, which is supposed to bring him to 5k solo (from 3.8k) too. I didn't state how long it's supposed to take, so if he quits gaming or either of us dies before he reaches 5k, then I'll get to make fun of him for eternity.

filthy casuals
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
March 05 2015 23:59 GMT
#2
You didn't mention what MMR you are at now. Also good luck!

Also Minah is dumb if he thinks 3k can't be 1v5'd, lol. Look at Swiftending's (juice) experiment, he literally won like 98% of his games through the 3k bracket and then won like 80-90% through 4k.
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makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
March 06 2015 00:30 GMT
#3
On March 06 2015 08:59 TheEmulator wrote:
You didn't mention what MMR you are at now. Also good luck!

Also Minah is dumb if he thinks 3k can't be 1v5'd, lol. Look at Swiftending's (juice) experiment, he literally won like 98% of his games through the 3k bracket and then won like 80-90% through 4k.

True. I'm 3.4k right now.
I've sent him the original thread from pd, but idk what his reaction is yet. This is not supposed to be a flaming fest or anything, but I had a long conversation with him and I felt like banging my head against a bloody wall. So, as a fellow scientist, I'll try to put up an experiment that will be good enough to serve as a proof of the idea, that theorizing about DotA at our level (he's 3.8k) is pointless when you want to raise your mmr.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
bluegarfield
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore1128 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 05:11:16
March 06 2015 00:46 GMT
#4
but isnt juice 5k++++ (aka 7k+) something when he 1v5'd through the 3k bracket?

still, do agree that 3k bracket is 1v5'able as a 3k player, just not at 90%+ winrate
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 06 2015 03:29 GMT
#5
Swiftending is 7k. No way some 5k player can 90% 3ks
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bluegarfield
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore1128 Posts
March 06 2015 05:10 GMT
#6
yeah i meant to say some random bracket that is more skilled than 3k, and 5k was just randomly chosen
ELqQQT_T
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
March 06 2015 05:18 GMT
#7
The Bet? isnt that a region near china
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ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
March 06 2015 05:22 GMT
#8
On March 06 2015 12:29 teddyoojo wrote:
Swiftending is 7k. No way some 5k player can 90% 3ks

thats back when ranked first got released afaik he calibrated to 5650 and then started his experiment thing... mmr got highly inflated since. there was like only 3 6ks at that time...
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12160 Posts
March 06 2015 06:25 GMT
#9
On March 06 2015 12:29 teddyoojo wrote:
Swiftending is 7k. No way some 5k player can 90% 3ks


I am a semi inactive low 5k support player. I couldn't 90% it as a support player. I can 70% it as support.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
March 06 2015 08:03 GMT
#10
If it takes too long you can buy 5K accounts and the one who takes the lesser amount of games to go back to his previous MMR lose.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 06 2015 09:48 GMT
#11
On March 06 2015 17:03 nojok wrote:
If it takes too long you can buy 5K accounts and the one who takes the lesser amount of games to go back to his previous MMR lose.

this is scummy towards the unlucky players who get matched with them
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
March 06 2015 10:33 GMT
#12
It is possible to do so by playing something like ta mid every game.
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
March 06 2015 11:07 GMT
#13
On March 06 2015 19:33 DucK- wrote:
It is possible to do so by playing something like ta mid every game.

TA might be a godlike hero for low level soloqueue, but you still have to have a clue, like know how to farm; I think this is why there's so many tryhards who seem to be stuck in trench. Besides, I want to avoid spamming a single hero, since it's ultimately pointless; like I reach 5k and suddenly I can't play any other hero than TA mid, wtf

I want to develop a small pool of heroes I'll be consistent with and while all the pub heroes will be there (so TA, Slark, Storm, Jugger, etc), I'm hoping to be able to pick up other heroes relatively smoothly from there. Right now I just don't have the basic mechanics required to consistently acquire items at proper timings and teamfight accordingly. Hopefully that will change in a few weeks of solid practice.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
March 06 2015 11:29 GMT
#14
On March 06 2015 20:07 makmeatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 19:33 DucK- wrote:
It is possible to do so by playing something like ta mid every game.

TA might be a godlike hero for low level soloqueue, but you still have to have a clue, like know how to farm; I think this is why there's so many tryhards who seem to be stuck in trench. Besides, I want to avoid spamming a single hero, since it's ultimately pointless; like I reach 5k and suddenly I can't play any other hero than TA mid, wtf

I want to develop a small pool of heroes I'll be consistent with and while all the pub heroes will be there (so TA, Slark, Storm, Jugger, etc), I'm hoping to be able to pick up other heroes relatively smoothly from there. Right now I just don't have the basic mechanics required to consistently acquire items at proper timings and teamfight accordingly. Hopefully that will change in a few weeks of solid practice.


The idea is the same. Pick strong pub heroes. It could be slark naga tinker meepo. If you're good at them, you can win most games barring gay counter picks.if you're looking to do so with random heroes, then it really luck dependent whether or not you get shit core players.
Ler
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany543 Posts
March 06 2015 11:56 GMT
#15
this.
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danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
March 07 2015 03:15 GMT
#16
Well, what you said he said and what we see he said are two different things. In the text you quoted, I'd have to agree with him.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
March 07 2015 13:16 GMT
#17
On March 06 2015 15:25 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 12:29 teddyoojo wrote:
Swiftending is 7k. No way some 5k player can 90% 3ks


I am a semi inactive low 5k support player. I couldn't 90% it as a support player. I can 70% it as support.


you would be surprised how badly 3k players can fuck up a game with their decision making.
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GtC
Profile Joined August 2013
United States546 Posts
March 08 2015 02:38 GMT
#18
I'm 3k...
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
March 08 2015 11:46 GMT
#19
Wait i'm confused. You yourself are 3k, and you've made a bet that you can suddenly start 1v9ing 90% of your games because...?
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
March 08 2015 15:59 GMT
#20
On March 06 2015 17:03 nojok wrote:
If it takes too long you can buy 5K accounts and the one who takes the lesser amount of games to go back to his previous MMR lose.

You should go to hell. :-\

Supporting more people buying high MMR accounts...
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