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One Handed DOTA - Why does this work?

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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-24 21:05:27
January 17 2015 14:26 GMT
#1
What is DOTA? Is this DOTA? It doesn’t feel like it. (Start at 1:10 if you wanna skip the lead up)



So why does stupid shit like this work out? Well, because despite being a strategy game, people go into a game with a certain mindset and a certain way of approaching the game. Once you break away from the status quo and do something no one would expect, you gain an inherent advantage over the other team. In this case, you can see the CM accidentally force staff herself onto the cliff out of ward vision of the dire. By doing something unusual, she got herself in a perfect position to see the sf creeping up onto our invoker, who with a man advantage, the enemy team thought they could kill. And they probably could/should have if it weren’t for CM’s accidental positioning.

So, again, why does something work in DOTA? There are two reasons.

1) It’s what they least expect.

I mentioned this above, but, as a human playing a digital game of chess, we rarely think that someone could bend or stretch the rules unless we saw it happen (in this case, paying attention to the fact that cm suddenly disappeared from the map during the fight). By thinking outside the box, you’re breaking the game while still playing within the rules and a lot of times you give yourself and your team an advantage. I love creative play as long as its calculated. I need to do more of this, myself when the cast comes off and I can execute combos efficiently.

2) It’s practiced.

This is the part where I tie in my one handed experience. I’ve always been the player who was the most versatile. I consider myself competent with at least half the hero pool and I do not main heroes or roles (except I will never play offlane fuck that shit). But then I wonder why my progress stays relatively stagnant. It wasn’t because I wasn’t learning more about the game.

It was because I was not practiced enough with any of the heroes I am competent with to the point that I can be the catalyst to turn the game around even when we are losing 40-20 down a rax. How could I win a lot of the time, when I haven’t had enough experience losing with a hero to know how to turn it around?

After I get my hand out of this cast, I plan to play multiple heroes again, and I plan to random. But perhaps not as much as I used to. For now though, my one handed hero pool has me at an 85% win ratio this week alone and in the past 30 days, which includes time not one handed, 2/3 of my games are wins. I've never won this much in my life and I'm not even playing at full strength!

Thanks for reading,
-Bluemoon
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
January 17 2015 20:03 GMT
#2
Your aversion to offlaning disgusts me
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
January 17 2015 20:59 GMT
#3
On January 18 2015 05:03 NeThZOR wrote:
Your aversion to offlaning disgusts me


I'm just so bad at it lol. My personality and playstyle do not fit with sitting still in lane without being able to cs or harass.

I had a good offlane game as sniper today though...played smart and wound up being the top farmer on my team, but usually I just feed
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
January 17 2015 23:57 GMT
#4
(except I will never play offlane fuck that shit)

thats a pretty accurate description for offlane
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6225 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 11:06:15
January 18 2015 11:01 GMT
#5
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if you're winning more simply because you're being forced to play no-frills, straightforward heroes.

I suspect everybody below like 5k might nudge their winrate a bit if they went on a jug/luna/viper etc binge, especially for players whose fundamentals are a strong point.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
January 18 2015 15:21 GMT
#6
everybody increases their winrate if they binge troll jug es meepo
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
January 18 2015 15:33 GMT
#7
without a doubt, i'm winning in part to that. but the general rule of thumb is if you're winning with va 15-2-15 kda or something absurd like that (so you're crushing), you don't belong where you are. that's what i'm seeing right now.

i was always above 50% WR, steadily improving..now im just stomping bc im playing strong right clickers. i guess what i'm saying is that i was still learning those other heroes so naturally ill lose games here and there bc idk how to win with them yet.
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Gowerly
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom916 Posts
January 19 2015 16:57 GMT
#8
Nice. I've found that doing the same thing but instead using my feet has meant that I have to think more about what I'm doing, because I can't just react to things (yet), which can lead to better or at least different decisions.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
January 22 2015 03:30 GMT
#9
maybe its coz u started buying wards after realising what fog of war does? o.o
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
January 22 2015 11:15 GMT
#10
Not sure what you mean/are referring to?
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
January 22 2015 11:46 GMT
#11
i mean you post a video of you 3v1ing a SF then 3v1ing an NP who both walk into you without vision then say "they didn't expect it" and, presumably, that you feel like there are a ton of tricks like hiding a CM that you might be able to use in the future

it just sounds really fucking weird coming from someone who "is matched with 5k players" (i went ahead and checked your mmr coz it wouldn't be weird coming from a 100 game player and i'd sound like a dicker)
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
January 22 2015 11:48 GMT
#12
On January 20 2015 01:57 Gowerly wrote:
Nice. I've found that doing the same thing but instead using my feet has meant that I have to think more about what I'm doing, because I can't just react to things (yet), which can lead to better or at least different decisions.


wow, i checked this too and it actually isn't a joke r o f l
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 14:47:14
January 22 2015 11:53 GMT
#13
On January 22 2015 20:46 FFGenerations wrote:
i mean you post a video of you 3v1ing a SF then 3v1ing an NP who both walk into you without vision then say "they didn't expect it" and, presumably, that you feel like there are a ton of tricks like hiding a CM that you might be able to use in the future

it just sounds really fucking weird coming from someone who "is matched with 5k players" (i went ahead and checked your mmr coz it wouldn't be weird coming from a 100 game player and i'd sound like a dicker)


I don't think there are a ton of tricks like hiding a cm. all im saying is that this particular kill occurred bc of the cm's unexpected mistake. in addition, what you can't see is how the sf was pretty far ahead at the start of this game, so honestly he would, normally, have straight up murdered my team with the np swooping in after.

think more along the lines of..sometimes the easiest jukes are the most obvious/simple bc a smart player would expect a more complicated move. I think akke pulled one like this vs sing? he simply walked around a tree in fog and sing thought he force staffed so he lept down a cliff. nothing fancy there.

e: yeah it was those two

or stupid shit you see players like singsing do on stream where they will hide behind a tree before the horn and they'll jump someone for first blood.

sometimes even lvl 1 rosh strarts function this way...you say nahhhh they wouldn't do that...then you hear "roshan has fallen to the dire"

it works bc no one would expect it.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
January 24 2015 17:28 GMT
#14
why does something work in DOTA?

Because the opponents are god damn awful, they don't know what a ward does. Don't try to over analyze the situation.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
January 24 2015 21:04 GMT
#15
man so much salt being thrown down on an anecdote i used to talk about a broader topic.

did you even read the post?
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Gowerly
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom916 Posts
February 04 2015 13:09 GMT
#16
On January 22 2015 20:48 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 01:57 Gowerly wrote:
Nice. I've found that doing the same thing but instead using my feet has meant that I have to think more about what I'm doing, because I can't just react to things (yet), which can lead to better or at least different decisions.


wow, i checked this too and it actually isn't a joke r o f l

I never joke about my feet.
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