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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
December 16 2014 05:57 GMT
#41
This is definitely stream of consciousness, which is what Blitz did in a blog way back.
Over-saturation isn't terrible.
Player burnout is.

If anything players have to understand their own limits and pare back the competitive load accordingly. Yet at the same time, they can't expect to be excited about every single game, every single match. There are going to be grinds and professionals will play through the grind.
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reTARDONTWITCHCHAT
Profile Joined May 2014
Slovakia199 Posts
December 16 2014 06:02 GMT
#42
B L O G B O Y S A R E B A C K

User was warned for this post
we foken lost
Jarek
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia35 Posts
December 16 2014 06:04 GMT
#43
Lol, the DreamLeague/hack or GDStudio guys are a fucking joke. I think it was Capital that had a go at them during that whole TI qualifier stuff and was spot on.

I think EE also makes some good points about too many tournaments. You saw it happen in Starcraft II if you watched. It got boring quick having so many tournaments and on top of that those daily $100 micro tournaments. It sort of picked up with the BlizzCon WCS having certain tournaments add points to qualify for BlizzCon finals but still too much content. What makes the NHL, or any other professional sport good is the anticipation between seasons.

I think Valve needs to step in. They have the rights to the game and they can enforce a limited amount of tournaments to be played by not letting people broadcast it. I just don't think there's enough money in it for them to be bothered to run a professional eSports organisation around DotA2.
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
December 16 2014 06:04 GMT
#44
Why don't teams start cherry picking tournaments to join? Tournaments that are actually worth their while. Wouldn't this create an environment where "natural selection" ends up determining which tournaments are T1 and the "not so premier" tournaments would be the ground for up-and-coming teams to participate in?

Every tournament organizer wants the best teams to participate in, so they throw in money. I'd say to the players, take a stand and just refuse to participate. The top teams determine which are the premier tournaments, not the organizers, or the money involved.
reTARDONTWITCHCHAT
Profile Joined May 2014
Slovakia199 Posts
December 16 2014 06:05 GMT
#45
Playing officials is like having tests or exams. And when you have multiple every single day and you include travel fatigue as well its impossible to try your hardest.
You just end up yoloing everything and playing with regrets.

This is pretty much the reason i suck at school.I m too lazy to study and when i have too many sexams or tests i just yolo
we foken lost
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-16 06:08:54
December 16 2014 06:06 GMT
#46
Overall, esports is still too niche and undercapitalized to support robust professional structures and institutions. If esports ever reaches mainstream levels of attention and money, the players now will be looked at as pioneers in the Wild West, who perhaps were the victims of unfortunate timing.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18916 Posts
December 16 2014 06:09 GMT
#47
On December 16 2014 14:57 TanGeng wrote:
This is definitely stream of consciousness, which is what Blitz did in a blog way back.
Over-saturation isn't terrible.
Player burnout is.

If anything players have to understand their own limits and pare back the competitive load accordingly. Yet at the same time, they can't expect to be excited about every single game, every single match. There are going to be grinds and professionals will play through the grind.

One of the issues right now is that there is no end to the grind, and the only end in sight is TI, and that ends rather quickly (and hype will fade if there is no build up to it, and right now there is only fading enthusiasm in the game).

Oversaturation is terrible, as it leads to player burnout. It leads to caster burnout. Tournament burnout. Viewership burnout. It can kill games.
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
December 16 2014 06:09 GMT
#48
On December 16 2014 15:04 malcram wrote:
Why don't teams start cherry picking tournaments to join? Tournaments that are actually worth their while. Wouldn't this create an environment where "natural selection" ends up determining which tournaments are T1 and the "not so premier" tournaments would be the ground for up-and-coming teams to participate in?

Every tournament organizer wants the best teams to participate in, so they throw in money. I'd say to the players, take a stand and just refuse to participate. The top teams determine which are the premier tournaments, not the organizers, or the money involved.


He explained why it's hard to not participate. Every tournament has a qualifier, and the qualifiers are running at the same time. If you drop out of events to begin with, you risk not making it to any LANs. In addition, if you then don't participate in many events, you lose chances to show that you are worthy of an invite to TI. Valve's policy of inviting teams to TI isn't transparently tied to other events, so teams scramble to play everything in order to get good results. If you play only a few tournaments, you take a big risk that having a bad day will cost you dearly because you opted to have only those few chances to prove your worth.
K0yomin
Profile Joined December 2014
Peru1 Post
December 16 2014 06:11 GMT
#49
Nice.
Callao
Harpoon
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines93 Posts
December 16 2014 06:13 GMT
#50
If only sponsors are more obligated to collectively fund major tournaments on a quarterly basis and not this plethora of small to medium tournaments which is truly confusing.
War is not about who is right, it is about who is left.
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
December 16 2014 06:13 GMT
#51
thanks for a sobering perspective
everything that rises must converge
molecu
Profile Joined June 2013
347 Posts
December 16 2014 06:16 GMT
#52
Well this is very entertaining.
it all matters
Exoteric
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2330 Posts
December 16 2014 06:19 GMT
#53
ee's openness is quite refreshing in a scene where a lot of players are unwilling to bring these issues to light
hell is other people
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11444 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-16 06:39:05
December 16 2014 06:29 GMT
#54
I think the reason why tickets are bought for items is simply because there is very little differentiating factors between tournaments. Each tournament have a qualifier stage and then a lan finals. The teams competing are pretty much the same. So why would I care about this new tournament when its no different from the others?

Dotacinema showed how being different affects ticket sales positively. Add that captains draft is a legitimate tournament mode that can be played at a high level. Reverse captain mode and ardm tournaments will not do well because they will always be viewed as a joke/showmatch tournament with little seriousness. But captains draft has potential to be an alternative tournament mode. The next step is to make teams take the tournament more seriously, and of course remove EG if the tournament is predominantly EU.

I think tournaments should now just invite top teams and leave qualifiers for the others. Top teams are not that worries for ti invite, but the fringe teams are. I don't see a reason why eg c9 or secret should be playing in qualifiers. The problem though is to know and dare to drop them from auto invites if they start sucking and invite others that have been doing well. And of course not invite shitty navi or tinker based on reputation.
ncsix
Profile Joined February 2012
1370 Posts
December 16 2014 06:33 GMT
#55
Yo EE and others, you need some Chinese -> English translation help in China (Shanghai) give me a buzz. I know how frustrating it must feel being lost in translation here.

malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-16 06:42:04
December 16 2014 06:39 GMT
#56
On December 16 2014 15:09 spudde123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 15:04 malcram wrote:
Why don't teams start cherry picking tournaments to join? Tournaments that are actually worth their while. Wouldn't this create an environment where "natural selection" ends up determining which tournaments are T1 and the "not so premier" tournaments would be the ground for up-and-coming teams to participate in?

Every tournament organizer wants the best teams to participate in, so they throw in money. I'd say to the players, take a stand and just refuse to participate. The top teams determine which are the premier tournaments, not the organizers, or the money involved.


He explained why it's hard to not participate. Every tournament has a qualifier, and the qualifiers are running at the same time. If you drop out of events to begin with, you risk not making it to any LANs. In addition, if you then don't participate in many events, you lose chances to show that you are worthy of an invite to TI. Valve's policy of inviting teams to TI isn't transparently tied to other events, so teams scramble to play everything in order to get good results. If you play only a few tournaments, you take a big risk that having a bad day will cost you dearly because you opted to have only those few chances to prove your worth.


Getting direct invites is definitely nice and all. But there are still qualifiers. Everyone has bad days, but if you are confident in your abilities. I'd say taking part in fewer tournaments benefit you more than taking part in so many tournaments/qualifiers in a month.

Taking part in lesser tournaments hype you up more. Spectators won't get bored of watching you. You prepare better for those that you choose to take part in.

In fact, I don't think most of the current top teams would be risking their TI spots if they took part in lesser tournaments.

Look at Team Secret. I think they are looking good for a TI direct invite at the moment. And they've only participated in 3 major events. ESL, SL X and TS2. They've shown good games and of course have "star power". But my point stands. They don't have to be taking part in D2L or Join Dota League or all the other 20 tournaments going on. Just show up at the right ones and smash face.



@Duck,

Tournament organizers won't stop inviting top teams. The sponsors want the eyeballs, and the eyeballs are what follow the top teams. Top teams are the ones that need to start making the decision of declining tournies to join.
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
December 16 2014 06:43 GMT
#57
TI4 marked the end of my interest in watching dota, it was incredibly messy and convoluted and after TI the tournaments just felt like they didn't even matter, especially when they've been run so atrociously.

The thing about casters is most definitely a huge problem, dota has no casters who are the quality of tastosis; There needs to be 10 pros who just flat out stop and go to casting to fix this kind of shit.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9857 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-16 06:44:50
December 16 2014 06:44 GMT
#58
On December 16 2014 15:39 malcram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 15:09 spudde123 wrote:
On December 16 2014 15:04 malcram wrote:
Why don't teams start cherry picking tournaments to join? Tournaments that are actually worth their while. Wouldn't this create an environment where "natural selection" ends up determining which tournaments are T1 and the "not so premier" tournaments would be the ground for up-and-coming teams to participate in?

Every tournament organizer wants the best teams to participate in, so they throw in money. I'd say to the players, take a stand and just refuse to participate. The top teams determine which are the premier tournaments, not the organizers, or the money involved.


He explained why it's hard to not participate. Every tournament has a qualifier, and the qualifiers are running at the same time. If you drop out of events to begin with, you risk not making it to any LANs. In addition, if you then don't participate in many events, you lose chances to show that you are worthy of an invite to TI. Valve's policy of inviting teams to TI isn't transparently tied to other events, so teams scramble to play everything in order to get good results. If you play only a few tournaments, you take a big risk that having a bad day will cost you dearly because you opted to have only those few chances to prove your worth.


Getting direct invites is definitely nice and all. But there are still qualifiers. Everyone has bad days, but if you are confident in your abilities. I'd say taking part in fewer tournaments benefit you more than taking part in so many tournaments/qualifiers in a month.

Taking part in lesser tournaments hype you up more. Spectators won't get bored of watching you. You prepare better for those that you choose to take part in.

In fact, I don't think most of the current top teams would be risking their TI spots if they took part in lesser tournaments.

Look at Team Secret. I think they are looking good for a TI direct invite at the moment. And they've only participated in 3 major events. ESL, SL X and TS2. They've shown good games and of course have "star power". But my point stands. They don't have to be taking part in D2L or Join Dota League or all the other 20 tournaments going on. Just show up at the right ones and smash face.



@Duck,

Tournament organizers won't stop inviting top teams. The sponsors want the eyeballs, and the eyeballs are what follow the top teams. Top teams are the ones that need to start making the decision of declining tournies to join.


You shouldn't be posting if you didn't bother to read the opening post. EE covered absolutely every little thing you've said in both of your posts.
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dcttr66
Profile Joined October 2003
United States555 Posts
December 16 2014 06:45 GMT
#59
Wow, you make me scared to try to be a competitive player.
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
December 16 2014 06:49 GMT
#60
On December 16 2014 15:09 spudde123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2014 15:04 malcram wrote:
Why don't teams start cherry picking tournaments to join? Tournaments that are actually worth their while. Wouldn't this create an environment where "natural selection" ends up determining which tournaments are T1 and the "not so premier" tournaments would be the ground for up-and-coming teams to participate in?

Every tournament organizer wants the best teams to participate in, so they throw in money. I'd say to the players, take a stand and just refuse to participate. The top teams determine which are the premier tournaments, not the organizers, or the money involved.


He explained why it's hard to not participate. Every tournament has a qualifier, and the qualifiers are running at the same time. If you drop out of events to begin with, you risk not making it to any LANs. In addition, if you then don't participate in many events, you lose chances to show that you are worthy of an invite to TI. Valve's policy of inviting teams to TI isn't transparently tied to other events, so teams scramble to play everything in order to get good results. If you play only a few tournaments, you take a big risk that having a bad day will cost you dearly because you opted to have only those few chances to prove your worth.


They have also began selectively dropping out of tournaments

anyhow great blog EE; proud to be your fan
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