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vvt
Profile Joined December 2014
58 Posts
December 21 2014 03:50 GMT
#421
Instead of trying to change the incentive system built into DOTA2, it seems like it'd be easier to modify your own behavior. Be more selective in the tournaments you participate in. Stop trying to attend every single one. Why is it the tournament's fault that your team overbooked and is flying 50+ hours a week? Make your manager research and earn his keep by coming up with the best tournament strategy (attends ones that fit your schedule, give you adequate rest and the highest chances of winning).

Issues like tournament organizers treating players badly go away. Vote with the power you already have and don't attend the next Dreamhack, go play somewhere else. The good news now is there will be an alternative.
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
December 22 2014 02:08 GMT
#422
On December 21 2014 12:50 vvt wrote:
Instead of trying to change the incentive system built into DOTA2, it seems like it'd be easier to modify your own behavior. Be more selective in the tournaments you participate in. Stop trying to attend every single one. Why is it the tournament's fault that your team overbooked and is flying 50+ hours a week? Make your manager research and earn his keep by coming up with the best tournament strategy (attends ones that fit your schedule, give you adequate rest and the highest chances of winning).

Issues like tournament organizers treating players badly go away. Vote with the power you already have and don't attend the next Dreamhack, go play somewhere else. The good news now is there will be an alternative.

EE has like half a page of writing answering your point: "Ok so one might ask, wouldn’t things be better if the teams rally up and only play certain tournaments? Ya probably, but its not that easy. ..."


And I definitely agree with what he's saying. The Dota2 viewing experience has definitely been diluted for me.

I remember those fucking golden Toby + Puppey casts. I remember blessed Lumi + LD + Godz casts. I remember I'd be excited a couple of days in advance for "big" matches.

Now there's a steam of games seemingly 24/7. Except most of it is tier 2 teams and tier 2 casters. Tobiwan is seemingly dead. GD studio casts one tourney a year. LD most only comes out for LANs. Can'be be fucking to sit through these countless qualifier games anymore.

Even when the LAN finals comes around, you've missed the whole buildup of the tourney. And with so many of them (like three in a month or some shit like that) I get tired to watch all this Dota.

There's more Dota than ever but I've never felt more disconnected from the pro scene.
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-22 11:47:29
December 22 2014 11:39 GMT
#423
I'm somewhat confused by the sentiment of this thread. EE talks about himself and other pros feeling there is an over saturation of tournaments, and in this thread there is a bunch of viewers all agreeing with him.

You'd think supply and demand would dictate that if nobody liked watching these tournaments then viewer numbers would drop and it would be unprofitable for these tournaments to be run. This would only be compounded by pros deciding to stop playing in the tournaments with lower prize pool to effort ratios, meaning that they would be filled with B grade teams and up-and-coming teams that would further discourage viewing, until they actually just became small tournaments meant for up and coming teams that successful and established teams didn't care about (which would consequently mean that winning them didn't really mean all that much in the grand scheme of things), or just cease to exist altogether.

Maybe supply is just lagging a bit behind demand and it will take a while before the most optimum number and size of tournaments are held.

Incidentally I do agree with the sentiment of this thread, in that I have limited time to watch pointless games featuring nobody teams, and would much prefer to watch more streamlined, hyped events. But I also haven't put much money into tournaments/tickets outside of the international, (where I forked out good money for both TI3 and TI4) so at least I'm putting my money where my mouth is.

I also agree a lot with Orchest's post (most of it anyway).

FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-22 18:39:58
December 22 2014 18:39 GMT
#424
I really don't understand people lamenting there being tournaments and exposure for T2 teams. That's necessary for the growth of the sport, and no one is making you watch them.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 23 2014 01:05 GMT
#425
Did you even read the thread?
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
December 23 2014 01:19 GMT
#426
On December 23 2014 10:05 writer22816 wrote:
Did you even read the thread?

If you're talking to me...did you? Because I don't think you did if that's the case.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Corgi
Profile Joined December 2014
United States408 Posts
December 23 2014 10:24 GMT
#427
On December 23 2014 03:39 FHDH wrote:
I really don't understand people lamenting there being tournaments and exposure for T2 teams. That's necessary for the growth of the sport, and no one is making you watch them.


Yeah. The whole oversaturation thing is stupid argument.
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