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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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Split.
Switzerland234 Posts
I'm glad you took the time to reflect on your time spending and made this decision and I agree on most of what you said, but don't dismiss videogames in general. | ||
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FromShouri
United States862 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Suichoy
Canada397 Posts
On September 01 2014 19:18 marvellosity wrote: Strange post because you essentially recognise that addiction is the actual problem, but at the same time try to rationalise that gaming is a poor pursuit in order to justify breaking the addiction. Addiction itself is not a problem (e.g. I am addicted to fresh vegetables), but there is a problem when you have an addiction to something that is destructive. Games are not addictive for everyone, but they are certainly not completely harmless either. Multiplayer games and social games are explicitly designed to be addictive. I think there are other people out there who like me, were addicted and thought they were making a good investment on their time when they really weren't. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32055 Posts
On September 01 2014 19:18 marvellosity wrote: Strange post because you essentially recognise that addiction is the actual problem, but at the same time try to rationalise that gaming is a poor pursuit in order to justify breaking the addiction. my thoughts exactly not everything you do in life has to be productive. | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On September 02 2014 10:43 Suichoy wrote: Addiction itself is not a problem (e.g. I am addicted to fresh vegetables), but there is a problem when you have an addiction to something that is destructive. Games are not addictive for everyone, but they are certainly not completely harmless either. Multiplayer games and social games are explicitly designed to be addictive. I think there are other people out there who like me, were addicted and thought they were making a good investment on their time when they really weren't. Yes, if we simply redefine what addiction means making it a completely worthless word, then everything you are saying makes sense. Addiction is a problem with an individual, not an activity. If you were addicted to a particular game, it's good that you gave it up - but don't end up convincing yourself it's a problem with the game. There's something in you that takes you to a bad place whenever you participate in something specific. Do you imagine that every other person that does the same activity you do experiences the same suffering and disruption in their lives? How many people around the world drink alcohol casually without any real negative side-effects in their lives? And how would you explain that to an alcoholic? | ||
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On September 03 2014 20:27 DefMatrixUltra wrote: Yes, if we simply redefine what addiction means making it a completely worthless word, then everything you are saying makes sense. Addiction is a problem with an individual, not an activity. If you were addicted to a particular game, it's good that you gave it up - but don't end up convincing yourself it's a problem with the game. There's something in you that takes you to a bad place whenever you participate in something specific. Do you imagine that every other person that does the same activity you do experiences the same suffering and disruption in their lives? How many people around the world drink alcohol casually without any real negative side-effects in their lives? And how would you explain that to an alcoholic? Sort of but there are things that are "addictive substances" eg addicted to smoking, not a problem with the person but the additive to make it addictive to humans. A case could be made that they felt they were missing something hence turning to smoking/drugs/drink. Gaming is something that I would not classify under that, addiction is different to all people and it's one of those words two pedantic people could but heads about all day. | ||
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bookwyrm
United States722 Posts
there's nothing wrong about being addicted to stuff per se, but dont get defensive about the addictive qualities of gaming because it definitely is. | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On September 04 2014 01:17 bookwyrm wrote: Gaming is definitely an addictive activity, in much the same way as gambling. It has to do with the type of stimulus, variable reinforcement schedules, stuff like that. there's nothing wrong about being addicted to stuff per se, but dont get defensive about the addictive qualities of gaming because it definitely is. I'm not getting defensive about it. I know for a fact that people get addicted to certain games or, more rarely, the concept of gaming in general. My point was that the game is not responsible for being addictive. It does not inject chemically addictive substances into your body when you run the installation. If someone is addicted to playing a game, I can go out and find you 1000 other people that aren't addicted to that same exact game. The difference is in the individual. That's the point I was trying to make. There is a lot of misrepresentation of what "addiction" means in this thread. Addiction is not an appropriate descriptor of someone's desire for fresh vegetables, for example. I'm pretty sure he doesn't enter a downward spiral in his life and start neglecting his health, family, and friends when he gets his mouth around some lettuce. Your point about some games being designed to psychologically hold people's attention does not mean that the games are addictive. Will some people become addicted to those games? Probably. But people get addicted to fucking solitaire. Individuals with addictive tendencies can, unfortunately for them, find all sorts of things that trigger their negative behaviors. The fact that games can be the focus of their addiction does not make the game some kind of insidious plot by the developers. | ||
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