EPTOn August 23 2014 15:31 ETisME wrote:
Your 700dollars amp is a terrible analogy, because I am not buying amps, I am buying a guitar. You won't buy out of tune guitars to learn how to play music for example, the amps only amplify the music quality.
I have said those are test shots, the success rate for street photography is low, let alone adjusting to a new lens and a new camera.
Even the kid in fountain was a test shot of the f1.8 and the 11fps shots focusing distance.
Hell I wouldn't even be able to take that photo if I didn't have a fast lens
Your 700dollars amp is a terrible analogy, because I am not buying amps, I am buying a guitar. You won't buy out of tune guitars to learn how to play music for example, the amps only amplify the music quality.
I have said those are test shots, the success rate for street photography is low, let alone adjusting to a new lens and a new camera.
Even the kid in fountain was a test shot of the f1.8 and the 11fps shots focusing distance.
Hell I wouldn't even be able to take that photo if I didn't have a fast lens
You said you were testing out technicals, such as filters, camera settings, and post-processing. But those aren't the problem in your test shots, the problem is your compositions are incredibly boring.
You also said you were experimenting with various fake grain effects which makes me automatically hate you.
You are backtracking on your argument when facing criticism, because your argument really doesn't make sense. The Voigtlander 15 is a fairly specialized lens and it comes at a hefty price -- you could buy many entry level DSLRs at that price. Yet somehow you're saying its not about the price it is about the value of the equipment and the learning experience from shooting with a manual lens.
Well in that case, why are you using a mirrorless APS-C digital? If you want the best value per dollar for something that will last forever, and that forces you to distill photography down to the bare bones, why aren't you suggesting that everyone start with 135 film?
If your goal is to take photos of your kid while she runs around sports games and plays with birthday toys, just take any entry level DSLR with 18-55 kit (and try to grab a bundle with the 55-200 standard tele zoom thrown in!) and be done with it.
If your goal is to approach it as skill, at the minimal cost of learning, you can buy an amazing full frame sensor with fast aperture prime for under $100 -- I picked up a Pentax ME Super with 50 f/1.4 for $55 and an Olympus XA2 with XA11 flash for $22!
Film is free, because there are tons of expired rolls of Kodak or Fuji film from 2000 that you can get pretty much anywhere and your first 24-26 photos are going to suck anyways so no need to waste actual film. It costs anywhere from $5-10 to get a roll developed and scanned (or shoot BW and develop it yourself!). Because you're shooting film that gets scanned to legacy media in tiny JPEGs
-you are forced to think about every shot since you can't just dump 40000 snapshits onto a 32 GB card
-you aren't lulled into a cognitive bias about how good your photo is because you don't see it for 2-3 weeks depending on how fast you finish the roll and develop times and when you get it back you realize your composition was fucking awful
-you learn how to judge exposure, because your camera's meter is garbage and it is inconvenient to pull out your phone every time to use it as a rudimentary lightmeter
-you learn about DoF, because you really want to be able to zone focus because otherwise you're stuck fiddling with focus for a billion years while your subject moves out of frame (still applies even if you are a rangefinder elitist)
-you learn about composition because you can't just shoot f/1.8 and crank up the saturation and go LOOK COLORS LOOK BOKEH ART
-you don't have to deal with any photoshop bullshit (just try to digitally post-process cheap film scans)
Some people are content with being Bronze in SC2 and playing Arcarde and they have money so they buy Razer gear and feel gamer chiq. Who cares about them.
You're telling someone trying to learn BW that the first thing they have to do is get a Filco because Razer is for plebeians and won't help them get their APM up.
