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Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
March 27 2014 17:28 GMT
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A few weeks ago (Wiki)Largo told me via Skype to check out his and RUS_Brain's new game "YourLetters". To be honest, it sounds as exciting as watching a political debate about the new tax regulations on chicken imports - not at all, except you're a farmer in the middle of nowhere. As it happens, I was kinda in the middle of nowhere on holiday and had nothing better to do. Also, if you played Brood War, you're kinda obliged to test anything these two kind Russians ask you to, just to repay debts (also, you don't refuse polite people!). Both sponsored and organized tons of events in the past four years, both entertained me personally with either amusing blogs or good posts.



also: there's a new tutorial game mode


Turns out YouLetters, advertised as some sort of Scrabble-Chess hybrid, was far, far better than I anticipated. It was - and is - a ton of fun, despite it being in some sort of Beta testing phase. The explanation sounds dry, as I just mentioned, but it isn't. You basically start out on a board with five letters per line / seven lines in total. Now it's up to you to conquer new letters by building words and anagrams out of it. The more letters you won, the better. You can lose letters if your opponent uses them for own words, then they turn neutral again; so you have to fight for every single tile once the game progresses. It really puts you under pressure, not only if your English is as poor as mine, but especially since you only have one minute (now) to come up with stuff. Back when it was released you had 2 minutes and 30 seconds. Hence, strategical thinking comes in handy, it's really a bit like chess. You need to concentrate hard if your opponent isn't daft or unexperienced. Moreso, the letters are under a fog of war if you can't reach them, making it harder for you to plan ahead. You have to play through several options while preparing your next move.

Needless to say, I do suck at the game, at least that's what my statistics suggest: I stagnate around 30% win ratio. Well, I also had the luck to play the best five players constantly, so it's a bit relative... hopefully.

What, right now, really blows is that only few people play it. My super secret sources suggest this will change on monday. But why wait until monday? Join the dark side people. Really do give this game a try.



Battle Report - Last Tournament


The last tournament was advertised around here by Brain himself. Sadly, only eight people signed up and played, among them #1 and #2 of the ranking. You still had 2,5 minutes to make your turn, which turned out to definitely not play into my hands. I was kinda scared, an unfamiliar feeling, given how many clan wars and tournament games I played in the past twelve years in Brood War. I know Largo would particularly ridicule me if I played like an idiot, so there was the urge to dodge an emberassing defeat.

My first opponent (Round of 8) was some Danish guy with the nick sander.hansen.58. His stats gave me hope, he was 2-5 in total. However, his five losses came from another player, who I played twice - and lost badly (yo L_Master) twice. So, better not underestimate him. Turns out, this was the easiest game I played so far, hansen wasn't so experienced after all. He tried some sort of rush towards my lines, using two letter words like "OR"and "EX". You really shouldn't do that, but more on the theory later. I eventually one after 22 moves and eight minutes of total playing time - this can be considered as really fast win; the winning word was "IS".

In the semis I faced the guy who dealt crippling losses to me and hansen - DatA, another Dane. By now I played him like 100 times (at least that's what it feels like) and that guy is just a bit too good for me. Keep in mind I did not want to have an emberassing defeat added to my profile and avoid a bad defeat at any cost. With this mind I went into the game and... failed hard. It really kept me awake for a minute longer than it used to that night.

The Battle Report



To fully understand the game I need to explain a few things. All tiles/letters with blue background are "mine", the ones in red are "his", the ones with white background are "neutral" - which means they don't belong to anybody. Your starting line letters have a star in the top right corner, which means you must not let them be conquered. They might turn neutral in the game, that is fine, but if they turn into the enemy's color you're fucked and you automatically lost. You can rebuild the starting line three times, if you spawned with like Q Q Q Q Q or something.


At this point you have to plan ahead a little already. You don't want to start with vowels only or letters like K, Q, X and Z multiple times, at the same time not without any vowels at all - preferred vowels would be E and A, then I, O and U. The letters S, N and R are particularly great, also D and G can help out. Anyhow, in the long run you should have a great variety of letters, but that's kind of "mid to late game" material. I sound so pro, but I'm newb. OMFG #justgeckothings


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My starting lines


We already learned that the first few words are somewhat important, but not crucial. You can still manage to drive back your opponent if you have brains and can come up with words in a timely fashion.

The next important thing is that the board isn't revealed to you. You only do see the first two lines, the lines 3 to 7 have to be scouted first. You only see "one letter ahead", meaning only the letters in +1 vision range of the one's you conquered - you may only use the ones you have and the ones in vision range. Revealed letters stay the way they are, but disappear under the fog of war if you can't see them anymore. Meaning, you do not know for certain if they're still neutral or not.


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the important letters



Consequently you should get the letters positioned on 2 and 5 in the next line to reveal the entire third row. At this point you don't need to fear your opponent can already take them. It's paramount to scout as many of the next lines as possible.
      The second priority is to already conquer as many letters as possible. It's not "that" important, but it helps you to defend your position if your opponent gains ground. He has to use letters twice then, you only once to re-conquer. Understood? Great!

Now, back to the actual game I played against DatA. I already experienced a rape once when I had to face Salle (the mastermind of Liquipedia), but that wasn't too bad for my ego. Salle was fed with dictionaries as infant and was genetically altered, I knew very well what kind of word producing monster he was. DatA - no idea. Another wannabe Scandinavian, and these guys (positive racism 4tw) usually have a talent for the English language, whereas I was forged in the hellfires of bug reports by Koreans on ICCup. SEXY SEXY PUSSY HAIR DOG MOTHER, REPORT PLAYER BAD HACK. I thought his first few words would give me an impression, or phrased differently, would mean I should not panic yet.


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The average DatA word vs. the average Gecko word


Ok, I was like "fuck it", just drag on the game. A small hint: If you do need to look up the words your opponent posted, you're basically screwed. Also, don't you only have little time.


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Lines 3 - 5

After a few turns I felt like I had a bad starting position, given that there were three Qs and one X. But I did have all vowels, which is a huge plus. I could use them to my favour, I mean he had them as well, but nevermind that fact, just like my granny always said "if you live in slaughter house don't throw pigs around".


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that's what happens way too often



Back to the strategy part. The middle line, line four, is often a very important place to trade blows. If you have parts of it, you are in the position to actually move towards your enemy. If the middle line remains neutral, you and your opponent respectively, have the same options. It's a tie - nobody has an advantage.

One of my biggest mistake when I started out was to trade the line half in half. E.g. having two letters, my opponent having two letters, one remaining constantly neutral. That blows, if your opponent is able to kill off your two letters while neutralising two or more of your third line, you're suddenly behind - by more than just a bit. So, it turns out, at least for me, that fighting off enemy letters, while utilizing all five letters in an ideal scenario, is the thing you should aim for.

Our war for the middle row started on the sixth turn and lasted for ages. It was really intense, because the letters Q and X are not that easy to use. The second one party had it, the other had to come up with a word similar to it as well. Mind you, the longer the fight for that area lasts, the more likely it is that your opponent used ALL his letters on his side; meaning you will have to calculate with a longer game overall. In average a YouLetter game (in my experience) lasts for a little longer than 35 minutes.



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the first small victory



In move 32 I first gained the smallest of all advantages by using the word "TUXEDO" on him. as you can see, I had U E and X of line four, while he had nothing. He got rid of the E and the X in a few more moves, but I could keep the U. Before, DatA was able to sometimes break through, but what I thought was bad for me, turned out to be helping me: My third line had two Qs at the sides, which I couldn't use; well neither could he. That stopped his march onwards. When he slightly overdid it, TUXEDO came to help. More importantly though, his third line was filled with neutral letters - not good. I could easily gain a small edge and the pressure was on him for a bit. Since move 32 the war was now who'd control line four and five, rather than line four only!



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move #62: FIXES


In move 61 and following 62 I did something rather stupid. I missed that he took the X of line four with "FIXES". Missing in this context means I was fully aware of the fact he now had access to the letters T, L, Q, but didn't pay any attention. It wasn't too bad in my opinion - remember I had the U and saw tons of neutral letters on his side.

I half assed my way to the X once or twice, but he defended it well enough. My mistake was to assume I'd get another letter in one of his lines over time, neglecting the fact that he defended just too well. I was just arrogant, especially since it seemed to continue in my favour.


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my move: OBLIGED


The picture above shows why that was - I was so close to his starting line after "only" 41 minutes of game time, I really did smell the victory already. I had control over a lot of letters, more than he did. So what could possibly happen?



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view from DatA's perspective - not great


Only four turns later, I had my foot in his door. I had the B almost constantly and enough letters in his third line - that's a really awkward position to be in as player. However, he still had 17 letters he could use to build words.

And now for the obligatory excuse - I got a phone call in move 71 (BIOLOGY) and had to answer it - sort of. I thought I could pay enough attention to it. Meanwhile, I grew tired. My concentration slowly started to fade, I saw myself crossing the finish line in my head. That was bloody stupid.


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where did my letters go all of a sudden?


Again, only four turns later, I suddenly was back to fighting for line five and suddenly couldn't see the X in line four again. What happened? Only "GIFT". Small but efficient, he drove me back a long time, while securing and re-establishing his second line. The fuck Gecko, the fuck...


I rallied my last reserves in move 95 and 55 minutes and invested in another go at his second line - with a somewhat good pay off on my side. I was quite annoyed that he didn't quit already, it had the feeling of some Terran floating his buildings and all. I admired the spirit, but frankly, he could have left. Foolish me.


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last move before the disc


Then I had a heart attack, as my Italian Hotel WIFI died on me for almost two minutes. I hastely reconnected and, lucky me, was back. Even better, it was his turn, so I did not lose time for my turn. So, I was back, just in time to see him defending by putting pressure on me. He threw me back for the 100th time. Suddenly it went back for a fight for the middle line - again. Terran vs. Terran VODs come to mind.


Around move #120 I made the most idiotic mistake so far - I gave up on the idea to conquer line by line, denying him access to futher letters. Instead I traded neutral letters and my letters, as long as I could keep vision on his second line. That's one of the newb moves you can do, trading is always bad. You either take it all or you better don't, it'll turn the game into a gamble, particularly retarded if your opponent is good. And DatA is quite good. He conquered tile after tile, I did too.


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why is he still in?



At #154 it looks good for me, doesn't it? No, it does not. He still had vision (and thus the ability to use) all of his first three lines plus a few options in line four. It continued, I got my act together, at least for a while.


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his move: QUIT - and I see nothing of it


I did clean tons of his offensive taken letters in the center, but the guy sneaked past my vision with QUIT in #187 - which I did not realize. This fog of war is a bitch. Around #200 the S on his starting line got in my head. I was already nearly powered out and he could "simply" just take my words and put them into plural by adding the S; an option I did not have. The fight was really hard, back and forth, back and forth, try, fail, repeat. Blargh. I really was tired, it was around 20:15, I was up since 6:15 and hadn't eaten since 11:45. Excuses everyone.


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that's the final move, "only" around twenty steps after the pic above



I don't really know how it happened, but around #200 that "%& great player was able to take the battle onto the center. It was almost 2 hours of play time, no break, I was hungry as fuck and that Danish monster completely broke my mind, body and spirit.


Don't get me wrong, I felt really, really angry I couldn't keep my focus, that he wouldn't give up, that the game was so annoying and that I was stupid enough to surrender. Yet, I can't help but applaud to the man, he really did play his cards (letters) up to a point where it just went into madness. I have never, ever felt that defeated in my online life.

For a comparison: The longest game (according to Largo) was played by RUS_Brain and took 2 hours 15 minutes. We were at 1 hour 48 minutes and there was no ending in sight. Objectively, after re-watching the game days later, I still could have made a come back, but it would've taken at least another hour (best case scenario) before it was over, most likely longer.


I really do hope I made you somewhat interested in the game, because, and I'm totally honest here, it's super stuff and it does really grow on you. Do try it. There's a tournament coming up in nine days with a few $$ as prizes. Even if you're not into that kind of games, show a bit of appreciation for the guys who promote it!


YouLetters.org



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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
March 27 2014 18:32 GMT
#2
looks like a cool game!
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
March 27 2014 19:39 GMT
#3
Ex-competitive Scrabble player here.
This sounds cool, but if the time range of a complete game can go that long, I'm not sure if I can hold my interest.

As far as strategy and word learning, this game lends itself to learning "stems".
Example: AEINST + almost any letter will give you a variety of words (exceptions are J depending on the dictionary used, Q, Y).

I would also guess that looking out for common prefixes and suffixes would help. MIS- and -ISM are made of the same letters.
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reps)Largo
Profile Joined October 2011
Russian Federation192 Posts
March 27 2014 20:27 GMT
#4
wow-report :O

On March 28 2014 04:39 mikeymoo wrote:
This sounds cool, but if the time range of a complete game can go that long, I'm not sure if I can hold my interest.

Now you have only one minute to send a word (5 minutes time-bank still exist) so this issue is kinda solved.
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
March 27 2014 20:40 GMT
#5
If the time limit makes things a bit faster then I might give it a shot.
Looking back at the report, I think your winning chances would have been much better with OBLIGATED rather than OBLIGED.
Unless there's some sort of letter limit to words that is.

I made an account (same name).
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GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 20:48:52
March 27 2014 20:44 GMT
#6
On March 28 2014 04:39 mikeymoo wrote:
Ex-competitive Scrabble player here.
This sounds cool, but if the time range of a complete game can go that long, I'm not sure if I can hold my interest.

As far as strategy and word learning, this game lends itself to learning "stems".
Example: AEINST + almost any letter will give you a variety of words (exceptions are J depending on the dictionary used, Q, Y).

I would also guess that looking out for common prefixes and suffixes would help. MIS- and -ISM are made of the same letters.


Online I never played a game which demanded such a long concentration - meaning the Battle Report of the blog. Honestly, you have to think and plan ahead the entire time, it was awesome exactly until it wasn't anymore. If I had eaten and/or had a break in between it would've ended a lot differently I guess. I immediately went to Largo and blamed him for the time limit, because that's what you do as angry nerd, right?

Not sure if it was a good fix to break it down to one minute. The few games I made after (mostly dodging DatA from then on) surprisingly often went to time bank and time-out. It's really short now with only one minute to make a move. Anyhow, it's still being tested and it's still more than just playable and the same fun it was before. Just try it, even with the 2:30 limit it was an average of 60 moves and ~35 minutes per game. Compared to the ordinary BW/SCII game it shouldn't be that long.

I mean I am used to play these "concentration" games in real life, I entered some Snooker tournaments and usually play Pool/Snooker about 3-4 hours without any kind of break other than to go to toilet; I never had such a major breakdown than I had here. Part of the fun though. If you like challenge, this one is for you :D


Edit to your post:

Yes, it would have been. Seeing it now and seeing it while playing are two different things I guess. I had exactly the same thought when I took the picture from the replay. Then again, he would have still the same "sight" on the letters than he had for OBLIGED. I don't exactly remember my trail of thoughts, but there's the possibility I saw the word but kept it in mind to use it again, if he would come up with a brilliant solution to throw me back to where we were. This happens a lot, so saving variations of the letters you just used is a good choice. Now, if he suddenly came up with some sort passive agressive thing could have made me forget what I kept in memory. Told you, I was quite done mentally halfway through. It really bothers me in hindsight ;/
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
March 28 2014 02:32 GMT
#7
Register button won't let me click it Do I have to register via Facebook? T_T
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Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
March 28 2014 04:14 GMT
#8
On March 28 2014 11:32 Birdie wrote:
Register button won't let me click it Do I have to register via Facebook? T_T
It's your choice, FB or natural registration.
Why you can't register?
patyrykin.net
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
March 28 2014 10:44 GMT
#9
On March 28 2014 13:14 Rus_Brain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 11:32 Birdie wrote:
Register button won't let me click it Do I have to register via Facebook? T_T
It's your choice, FB or natural registration.
Why you can't register?

Register button won't let me click it even after I filled out every field and checked the box.
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reps)Largo
Profile Joined October 2011
Russian Federation192 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 19:38:48
March 28 2014 19:38 GMT
#10
Birdie, what if you open the registration page, refresh it (F5), then do the register procedure? Try it please.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
March 28 2014 20:52 GMT
#11
On March 29 2014 04:38 reps)Largo wrote:
Birdie, what if you open the registration page, refresh it (F5), then do the register procedure? Try it please.

Registering worked on Chrome, not on Firefox though.
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salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
April 01 2014 09:09 GMT
#12
I tried to play more but doesn't seem to be anyone there when I do so will be awesome with a new influx!

Also I'm a dyslexic Gecko.
But I still love language and to read, which I do a lot.
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GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
April 01 2014 10:41 GMT
#13
On April 01 2014 18:09 salle wrote:
I tried to play more but doesn't seem to be anyone there when I do so will be awesome with a new influx!

Also I'm a dyslexic Gecko.
But I still love language and to read, which I do a lot.


Poor Salle received melons from life. Right now 20+ people are online, it really did help out what the guys did. Mostly Russians for now, but it's great. Also tournament next sunday, should be easy moneyz for you 8D
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
April 01 2014 14:29 GMT
#14
If i have time I'll take part, not to win but it was fun to play.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10227 Posts
January 23 2022 21:48 GMT
#15
Please bring back YourLetters
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