Justin Beiber

On February 09 2014 04:28 AiurZ wrote:
1. he was a talented young person who was a nobody & then became really successful and rich so ppl are jealous.

2. now that he is successful and rich he gets a lot of media attention and ppl are free to scrutinize everything that he does during a time in his life in which most ppl invariably do stupid things, which is compounded by the fact that he is now successful and rich.

On February 09 2014 04:28 AiurZ wrote:
1. he was a talented young person who was a nobody & then became really successful and rich so ppl are jealous.

2. now that he is successful and rich he gets a lot of media attention and ppl are free to scrutinize everything that he does during a time in his life in which most ppl invariably do stupid things, which is compounded by the fact that he is now successful and rich.

On February 09 2014 05:13 Darkhoarse wrote:

"Oh he's just a teenager" should never be an excuse for someone assaulting people, drag racing drunk, etc.

On February 09 2014 04:49 vOdToasT wrote:


His music sucks, yet he is popular. Therefor, he is a reminder to us that the rest of humanity has depressingly shit taste, not to mention that he wouldn't be popular if little girls didn't find him physically attractive, which again, reminds us that the rest of humanity values looks more than music. He is a symbol of many things that are wrong with humanity, and what our societies reward.
He's also a "christian" moron with stupid values, and a terrible neighbour (asshole).

On February 09 2014 04:49 vOdToasT wrote:


His music sucks, yet he is popular. Therefor, he is a reminder to us that the rest of humanity has depressingly shit taste, not to mention that he wouldn't be popular if little girls didn't find him physically attractive, which again, reminds us that the rest of humanity values looks more than music. He is a symbol of many things that are wrong with humanity, and what our societies reward.
He's also a "christian" moron with stupid values, and a terrible neighbour (asshole).

On February 09 2014 07:16 docvoc wrote:
The hate is excessive, but the kid does stupid things and is just generally not incredibly smart. The way he got famous was brilliant, but all manufactured by his mom who seems to be failing at her job as being a mom while being great at reaping the rewards of her son. It's just generally a really bad symbol to have, a family like that, in my opinion. The dude does dumb stuff, but the reason people really dislike him is the fact that his music is the poster-child for general consumption, safe pop music. People can dislike him for his success, or because he's "out there," but what I normally see is people disliking him because all of that is undeserved. The way he got popular was with small girls who latched onto how cute he was, not how good of an artist he was, which, at least for the crowd I'm around, is the most frustrating thing. It's not that the method takes no skill, but that it's so random and ridiculously chance based that he may as well have just drawn lots to see if he'd become popular. That's the view I see a lot in the South.

not to mention that he wouldn't be popular if little girls didn't find him physically attractive, which again, reminds us that the rest of humanity values looks more than music.

On February 09 2014 09:25 Muffloe wrote:
I don't really care so much about all these pop-phenomenons, but it really is different with Bieber. How can someone so completely untalanted get so many fans and so much acclaim? The whole thing is just so fucking unfair. I know REAL musicians, with real understanding of music and instrumental talent, who gets these small no pay-out gigs with like 40 people audiences. Meanwhile this untalented piece of sh*t sell out arenas all over the world. Fuck that

On February 09 2014 10:41 BigFan wrote:

your post is pretty bias tbh. While I don't doubt that these real musicians have talent and understand music well, whatever they are doing to put themselves out there just isn't working for them. Maybe they need to make a change somewhere? I won't act like I know what Bieber did either and I've only ever heard one, at best two of his songs and they seemed ok to me so I can't judge the songs either. However, outright dismissing anything he's done to get to where he is and calling him a piece of shit due to personal bias is unfair on your part as well. My thoughts on this at least.

On February 09 2014 11:17 Muffloe wrote:

Well, I guess it is kinda unfair of me to call out specifically Bieber for this; there are plenty of mainstream artists who can be accused of the same thing. I think that Biebers case might be the most extreme though, and I try to be objective when I say that there aint an ounce of musical talent in that kid. He's at best selling an image made for early teenage girls.

On February 09 2014 11:17 Muffloe wrote:

Well, I guess it is kinda unfair of me to call out specifically Bieber for this; there are plenty of mainstream artists who can be accused of the same thing. I think that Biebers case might be the most extreme though, and I try to be objective when I say that there aint an ounce of musical talent in that kid. He's at best selling an image made for early teenage girls.

On February 09 2014 12:24 radscorpion9 wrote:


It seems like you should be directing your anger at the world for being so superficial though, its not Bieber's fault that so many teenage girls like him . He just does what he does, it might not be fair that so many talented artists are ignored in favour of his music, but its certainly not Bieber's fault that that's the way things are.

I really feel like there's no real reason anyone should hate Bieber before all of his dramatic episodes occurred. But certainly now it just seems like he feels he's too good for society and can skirt all of the laws, I dislike that elitism generally. I don't think its going to have much of an effect on children though, they're smart enough to figure out what reasonable behaviour is from stupid behaviour. They have their parents, friends, and whoever else they have a close relationship with to guide them so I think any influence on Bieber's part is minimal.

On February 09 2014 13:10 Jerubaal wrote:
I was just thinking (always a bad sign)- We want to make sense of everything. We don't want to hear something about something and then not form an opinion about it. Consequently, we often form tentative opinions on some things that we have very little information about. Now think about this in terms of media: We know about the existence of hundreds of people that we might only hear a few snippets about a month. I have to make sense of Emma Watson, Chris Christie, and Kim Jong Il with paltry information. This conditions the unwary into making snap judgments and usually of an extreme binary sort. I like this thing. I don't like this thing.

I don't want to believe that the mode of humanity is what's represented on twitter, but many people use pop culture as an arena where they don't have to be critical and just let out some petty emotion. I suspect that most of the 'hate' is pretty superficial, but twitter, etc. encourages its users to spew literally everything that crosses their mind. There is also a large subset of people who dislike Bieber because they don't want to hear about it 24/7. Of course, if not him, then someone else.

On February 09 2014 14:33 Mothra wrote:
I feel kind of bad for him. You see the same thing happen over and over... Mike Tyson, Brittney Spears, Michael Jackson. Basically talented young people who get surrounded by people getting rich off them. Everyone tells them what they wanna hear and never tells them no because there's big $$$ to be made off of them. They get stuck in the dumb teenager stage until they're old and washed out and broke. Children shouldn't be in "show business".

On February 09 2014 14:33 Mothra wrote:
I feel kind of bad for him. You see the same thing happen over and over... Mike Tyson, Brittney Spears, Michael Jackson. Basically talented young people who get surrounded by people getting rich off them. Everyone tells them what they wanna hear and never tells them no because there's big $$$ to be made off of them. They get stuck in the dumb teenager stage until they're old and washed out and broke. Children shouldn't be in "show business".

On February 09 2014 15:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Will Smith turned out fine. Jonas Brothers aren't famous anymore but they turned out fine. Hell, Selena Gomez turned out fine for the most part. Bieber has no excuse for his actions.

I read somewhere that his family/neighbors knew he was self-centered/assholish even before he became famous, can anyone confirm/disprove this?

On February 09 2014 22:20 L1ghtning wrote:

Please don't mention Britney Spears and Justin Bieber in the same sentence as Michael Jackson. It's insulting. Michael Jackson was way beyond a pop icon. His music will live on forever. He hasn't been relevant on the pop scene in like 20 years, and his old music is still being adored by the new generations. Justin Bieber though, noone will care about him in 10 years.

The reason why a lot of ppl hate Justin Bieber is because he's "selling" because of smart marketing, rather than because of his music or his talent. He could easily have been replaced by another guy the same age with an equal singing voice. I'm not saying that he has no talent whatsoever, but he's hardly one in a million or even one in a thousand. People are offended by the fact that the industry can market something ordinary, and create a extraordinary following for it. That's why Justin Bieber have a lot of haters. It's the same thing with One Direction. So yes, there's some jealousy for sure, jealousy about his success that is. I highly doubt that there's anyone who is jealous about his voice or his "song writing", or the song writing of the ppl behind him.

You could say that if Justin Bieber and One Direction's music continues to be loved by future generations, that it would disprove the claims about their music being crap, and I fully agree with that. The thing is, it will not happen.

All that stuff about him being a jack-ass and what not, they are just excuses. The Justin Bieber hate has always been around, and it's only lately that he's been getting into trouble. People are just looking for excuses to justify their hate, because they can't explain themselves.

On February 09 2014 09:48 AiurZ wrote:

i dont think its fair to say "the only reason he got popular is because people thought he was attractive". its also not fair to diminish what justin accomplished by trying to say that it was completely random etc.

im pretty sure justin bieber did a lot of work to get to where he is today.


have u watched never say never?


how come people dont get mad at the president of nabisco for making delicious oreo cookies that are safe, and for general consumption? get it together nabisco! make some cookies that arent delicious!

On February 10 2014 11:23 Bigtony wrote:
He makes bad music and poor life choices that get broadcast from every kind of media. I don't hate him but I do hate hearing about him.

Quotes like this to me make no sense. WTF is "bad music"?

If millions of people around the world enjoy listening to his music, then obviously the music has some merit, its just not to your taste. If it was bad music, no one would wanna listen to it.

On February 10 2014 12:22 Bigtony wrote:


Quotes like this make no sense to me. If millions emotionally vulnerable, inexperienced, and weak minded teenagers do something, that doesn't give it merit.

His music is lyrically weak, uninteresting, and juvenile. Everything else about it is uninteresting and shows little to no musical prowess (and he isn't the one doing any of that besides).

In comparison to a wide swath of artists it's uninspired and uninteresting. This doesn't have anything to do with it being pop or mainstream. There are talented, interesting artists in pop. He's just not very good.

On February 10 2014 12:46 Bigtony wrote:
You're basically saying "opinions cant be wrong" - which isn't true. There are objective measures of whether something is quality music and his isn't. Popularity is not a reflection of quality.

Lots of people critique art and literature. You can't wipe away entire fields of study by saying "this is subjective."

Whether or not I like it is subjective. Whether or not it's good? Not (completely) subjective.

On February 10 2014 12:35 sluggaslamoo wrote:
You have a series of arbitrary metrics in which you define what is "good" and what is "bad.

On February 10 2014 12:22 Bigtony wrote:
His music is lyrically weak, uninteresting, and juvenile. Everything else about it is uninteresting and shows little to no musical prowess (and he isn't the one doing any of that besides).

In comparison to a wide swath of artists it's uninspired and uninteresting. This doesn't have anything to do with it being pop or mainstream. There are talented, interesting artists in pop. He's just not very good.

On February 10 2014 13:15 sluggaslamoo wrote:


I think you missed this part



Lots of people critique art and literature but only an asshole would say a particular work from a professional is actually bad.

In competitions there are a series of metrics which are defined before the competition so the artists know what they are going for. The judges award scores based on this metric. In pop music, the entire world is your judge, in this case, Justin Bieber is the clear winner here compared to any minority band or pop group.

Addressing this quote for instance,



I don't like lyrics, I think they pollute the music, so when you say his lyrics are weak its not even a concern for me. All of the music I listen to (Cut Chemist, the Herbaliser, anything acid jazz), a lot of the time don't have lyrics at all, its just all highly technical abstract instrumental music.

I value technical beats/rhythms, originality, and very alternative chord progressions, so anything with that is good in my books. I could tell you that all music with lyrics in it is bad but I don't go telling people that. Good lyrics is an arbitrary metric which defines your subjective taste in music.

Bieber's lyrics resonate with his audience, that's whats important. Lyrics that you define are good, resonate with you, because you can't relate to his lyrics, you therefore do not like them, and thus refer to them as "bad".

As a musician, when it comes to scoring on musical talent I could probably tell you that most of the music you enjoy is "bad". Maybe you like prog-rock, etc, pink floyd or phil collins, compared to acid jazz this music sounds like the pop music that many people tell everyone they hate. There were many amazing unknown guitarists that could have replaced Dave Gilmour and who knows they might have done even better (Sacrilege I know, I love these guys just playing the devils advocate here).

It annoys me when I get referred to a bunch of guitarists who can "shred like crazy", and I'd really like to tell them that there are guitarists out there that can play the percussion, bass and melody of Toto's Africa all at once by themselves with just an acoustic guitar.

Again its just arbitrary metrics and pure subjectivity, you're no better judge of music than some preppy teen Belieber girl.

On February 10 2014 13:15 sluggaslamoo wrote:


I think you missed this part



Lots of people critique art and literature but only an asshole would say a particular work from a professional is actually bad.

In competitions there are a series of metrics which are defined before the competition so the artists know what they are going for. The judges award scores based on this metric. In pop music, the entire world is your judge, in this case, Justin Bieber is the clear winner here compared to any minority band or pop group.

Addressing this quote for instance,



I don't like lyrics, I think they pollute the music, so when you say his lyrics are weak its not even a concern for me. All of the music I listen to (Cut Chemist, the Herbaliser, anything acid jazz), a lot of the time don't have lyrics at all, its just all highly technical abstract instrumental music.

I value technical beats/rhythms, originality, and very alternative chord progressions, so anything with that is good in my books. I could tell you that all music with lyrics in it is bad but I don't go telling people that. Good lyrics is an arbitrary metric which defines your subjective taste in music.

Bieber's lyrics resonate with his audience, that's whats important. Lyrics that you define are good, resonate with you, because you can't relate to his lyrics, you therefore do not like them, and thus refer to them as "bad".

As a musician, when it comes to scoring on musical talent I could probably tell you that most of the music you enjoy is "bad". Maybe you like prog-rock, etc, pink floyd or phil collins, compared to acid jazz this music sounds like the pop music that many people tell everyone they hate. There were many amazing unknown guitarists that could have replaced Dave Gilmour and who knows they might have done even better (Sacrilege I know, I love these guys just playing the devils advocate here).

It annoys me when I get referred to a bunch of guitarists who can "shred like crazy", and I'd really like to tell them that there are guitarists out there that can play the percussion, bass and melody of Toto's Africa all at once by themselves with just an acoustic guitar.

Again its just arbitrary metrics and pure subjectivity, you're no better judge of music than some preppy teen Belieber girl.

On February 10 2014 12:22 Bigtony wrote:


Quotes like this make no sense to me. If millions emotionally vulnerable, inexperienced, and weak minded teenagers do something, that doesn't give it merit.

His music is lyrically weak, uninteresting, and juvenile. Everything else about it is uninteresting and shows little to no musical prowess (and he isn't the one doing any of that besides).

In comparison to a wide swath of artists it's uninspired and uninteresting. This doesn't have anything to do with it being pop or mainstream. There are talented, interesting artists in pop. He's just not very good.