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East Gorteau22261 Posts
For me, the easiest way to learn something was never to look at the people who are the best and then copy them, it was looking at the people who are the worst - the people who seem to know exactly what to do only to do the opposite, and then making sure not to do what they're doing. With that in mind, let me introduce you to a few things you should never do if you have any aspiration of being less terrible than you most likely already are given the fact that you're reading this in the first place. Without further ado:
On December 28 2013 05:41 crazyweasel wrote:Vuvuzelamy goal is top 20 - still can't decide between Parting and Maru help me please Main Team4  CreatorPrime's first protoss 4  KeenKeen always was clutch in gsl's and Gstl's, solid terran who did good in wcs 7 Parting (captain) plays twice first week, plus it's Parting 3  Rogue(Savage)I remember watching a tourhouse vid where his teamate said he was the best in practice matches 4 soOfinished 2nd Wcs korea 4 Trapfinished 3rd WCS Korea beating excellent players, he's my weird draft for this fantasy 4 [tlpd#teams#sc2-korean]KT Rolster[/tlpd] KT always strong in proleague Anti Team4 ClassicNever was a big fan of his, hes 3rd toss on skt behind parting and rain so i guess he shouldn't play too much 4 Soraplays flash first week, lol he'll lose 5 Superneeded a 5 pointer My personal tips for people who are new or cant decide between players: -Byul is a 4 pointer who's gonna be IM only zerg playing - nestea probably won't play as he never did in teamleagues (he's done being good anyways). -Bbyong is a 3 pointed and only decent terran in CJ -Look for players in the smaller rosters as they should have more playtime eg. KT rolster has very few players with flash stats and zest likely to play every match -Pick Flash, I never do and always regret it; he's by far the best fantasy player you can get. -and you're gonna be sad if you hop in the Sora bandwagon, all he did was beat parting and a bunch of nonames.
I'm having a difficult time deciding if crazyweasel, with appropriately crazy ideas on how to place top 20 in FPL, if seriously trying, or attempting to make sure everyone knows how not to create a strong FPL team. A breakdown:
- A Prime player for more than 1 point on the main team. Even if we look past the fact that all Prime players are helplessly terrible, it is important to keep an eye on the weekly line-ups. In Week 1, Creator is facing off against Yonghwa and Rain. A cursory glance at the win rates (offline, PvP, Korean opponents, HotS) puts Creator roughly 10% behind both Rain and Yonghwa, Even disregarding this, Creator has been a mixed bag in PvP lately, losing his last 3 offline PvPs against Rain, Classic and herO for a grand total of 1-6. Now, while it is true that Creator will be fielded regularly (probably every match), there are other (cheaper) players on Prime that are likely to be fielded regularly as well, opening up more points for safer bets than Creator.
- soO, for all the recognition he received after his almost miraculous GSL run, hasn't been terribly convincing since. Losses to Yonghwa, Rain, herO and Hurricane since his 2-4 loss against Dear isn't convincing enough for a 4-pointer who'll likely be rotated out in favor of one of Fantasy, Classic, Bravo and Sacsri more often than not. Picking soO relies on bringing in points from SKT victories, something that's dangerous in itself since it relies on SKT not only winning, but doing it in convincing fashion every time.
- Picking Classic, with "I was never a fan and he shouldn't play much" as reasoning when the guy is being freaking fielded this very week isn't a wise choice. At all. The guy went 16-4 after his switch to Protoss. It is also important to note that he's playing PvP, possibly his best match-up, against a Prime rookie. A win is essentially guaranteed, as is a few bonus points as SKT is likely to take the match 3-0 or 3-1. Reality or Roro (also at 4 points) would have been a better pick. Even TY, worth 5, would have been a safer pick as he's facing CJ's PvT maestro herO in his only match of the week.
- Underestimating Sora is equally, if not more, dangerous to one's FPL effort. I would argue that the anti-team, more so than the main team, is what ruins most people in FPL. Misjudging a single player can often be enough to kick you way out of the race, and putting Sora on the anti-team arguing that the only good player he beat was Parting is foolish to say the least. He did, in fact, beat: Bomber, Curious (a few times), Soulkey, Bbyong, Life and Dream in addition to Parting. Flash may still beat him in Week 1, but it's not unlikely that CJ will still get the better of KT and take the match anyway.
Yes, what could possibly go wrong? *Rolleyes*It is quite clear that jinorazi has no idea what he's doing
So what do we take away from the mistakes of the poor fools above?
-If you're picking a serious team, never pick a player worth more than 2 points without studying the player - his match-ups and the opponents he played, first
-The best player for your anti-team is a player who plays on a team with multiple fieldable players but that is unlikely to perform very well. Essentially, Samsung.
-Avoid picking several players that aren't getting fielded at all in any given week if possible. Cure, Reality and Roro may bring in some points, but they can only do that if they're playing. Since none of them are (at all), it may indicate a dip in form or that the team has become a lot more competitive. If you can, avoid picking players for more than 1 or 2 points that won't be fielded,
because oftentimes they'll fail to be worth what you paid for them.
-Don't pick Prime players. Please. Spare yourself the agony.
-Don't overestimate the value of individual league performances if you've yet to see the player perform in a team league setting. Mvp is pretty sick at preparation, right? Then you should also know that he's pretty sick at not actually playing at all in team leagues - quite the concern when you need points for your main team.
-Look at the god damn line-ups
How to win
There are a few tricks that are (or should be) frequently employed among those who tend to take Fantasy competition seriously. Chief among these is trading players. This comes with a trade tax of -1, but it is often worth it rather than hoping that eins will beat Soulkey in TvZ, for example.
A good example would be a player you know won't play next week (or for a while, see Taeja last season). When a player isn't fielded, he is unable to win and every point said player will gather comes from team victories. Weigh the gains of having a player with guaranteed 0 points from appearing and playing against the strength of the player's team. For example, if Soulkey is going away next week, it might still not be a very good idea to pick him since SKT is likely to bring in a few points anyway, ultimately hurting your total.
Another thing that will often work in your favor is knowledge of the online scene. Armani, Solar, eMotion and Trend aren't names that you'll often see in Code S, but they've been quietly killing off all kinds of players online for the last few months. With their relative anonymity comes a cheap price tag, freeing up points for a safe card like Soulkey, Parting or herO with relatively little risk. Again, look at the line-ups and judge if having one or more of these guys is worth it based on how often you think they'll appear and on how many wins they will logically bring in for their team.
Mathematically, picking more than one very expensive player from the same team isn't likely to be worth it unless you're really sure they'll be bringing in a metric ton of wins (see Flash in Brood War Winners' League). Which, to be completely fair, you probably won't be. Picking both Rain and Soulkey sounds like a great idea until you realise you need to buy 4 more players and a team for the remaining 14 points and only one of them can play in an ace match at any given time. Instead investing in, for example, Soulkey and CJ's herO (if you have a thing for expensive players, which tends to be a bad habit) will almost always be a better choice - both will play in every match, both will win most of their matches, but you'll be able to reap the benefits of up to four ace matches and team wins in a single week as opposed to two by going with Soulkey/Rain.
At this point, the current flavor of the month is Protoss. The entire meta-game, in fact, seems to be circling around Protoss at the moment. Being able to discern trends in the metagame is a great advantage to have in FPL. Because you can be reasonably sure that any Protoss will be playing a signficant amount of PvP, acquiring players known to be strong in the Protoss mirror is desirable. Again, the database of a website like Aligulac will be your friend in these situations. Knowing that Squirtle recently beat San 4-0 and followed it up with a swift 2-0 over Trust could potentially sway you into picking him up over another Protoss, just as finding that a player is especially weak in PvP should make you think twice about picking him up.
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team.
  
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Woah, thanks for the tip about Squirtle. Didn't realize that.
Prime Time with HerO looks like a hilarious team, want to see how that goes xD
Unfortunately I don't expect to pick up any of Armani, Solar, Emotion, or Trend. Although they're really good and SGK is in fact already fielding two of them in the first week, there are...too many of them. lol. I wouldn't even know which one to pick.
Also, http://aligulac.com/periods/101/?page=1&sort=vp&race=ptzrs&nats=KR
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United States11390 Posts
On December 28 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team.
Famous last words said by so many fallen souls. T_T
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Hehe Roro anti team hehe.
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I half expected my team to show up in here, nice guide that I'll keep in mind for the next round of FPL. Definitely feel less confident in my team now. Thanks for that 
The RorO hate though, so stronk.
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Everyone put Roro on anti-team. Perfectly safe pick.
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On December 28 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team.
Woah, Roro got the award for best Zerg in 2013, surely that wouldn't have happened if he wasn't a top tier player?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On December 28 2013 09:06 Yonnua wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team. Woah, Roro got the award for best Zerg in 2013, surely that wouldn't have happened if he wasn't a top tier player?
Roro
best Zerg
haha
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how to win: pick Keen
best terran on the team (sorry Dream), beastly TvP (important for PvProleague) and always performs well in teamleagues.
you are welcome
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someone's just bitter haha. 
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Never put Roro on your anti. Ever
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 28 2013 09:09 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2013 09:06 Yonnua wrote:On December 28 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team. Woah, Roro got the award for best Zerg in 2013, surely that wouldn't have happened if he wasn't a top tier player? Roro best Zerg haha
Amount of best zerg awards life got in 2013: 0
Amount of best zerg awards roro got in 2013: 1
THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE.
Btw creator is going to roro the fuck out of this FPL, I see so many anti-teams with him even though
1. He's still pretty good at PvP in PvProleague
2. He will be fielded every prime match without a doubt.
Creator gon be eatin on some FPL fams next year
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49648 Posts
On December 28 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team.
considering the fact that this is you, I can't tell if you're joking.
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On December 28 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
Yes, what could possibly go wrong? *Rolleyes*
Now, that just maybe wasn't the most serious effort at fantasy Starcraft I've done. Thanks for the recognition, though. :D
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your Country52797 Posts
Hi, this is The_Templar with a friendly reminder that RorO is a good choice for your main team. Thanks!
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Hey err Zealously...
What are your credentials yo? No Top 100 finish in FPL ever and acting like the A+ iccup rank? ;p Jk, although I looked and haven't seen you in the top 100 FPL ever. Anyway nice guide for sure, thanks.
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United States97276 Posts
I like to just yolo it and pick some people I like and then I filled it out with protoss players
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tbh the easiest way to do FPL is go full SKT (or apparently CJ)
the second easiest way is to copy someone's team who always places high in FPL
the last way is picking your own team, study MUs, trade like crazy etc etc
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your Country52797 Posts
On December 28 2013 13:08 Arceus wrote:tbh the easiest way to do FPL is go full SKT (or apparently CJ) the second easiest way is to copy someone's team who always places high in FPL the last way is picking your own team, study MUs, trade like crazy etc etc
I do the last way and got 35th last round so...
anyway SKT won't do THAT well.
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Never touch Roro, he corrupts any FPL team he touches.
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United States97276 Posts
On December 28 2013 09:09 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2013 09:06 Yonnua wrote:On December 28 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team. Woah, Roro got the award for best Zerg in 2013, surely that wouldn't have happened if he wasn't a top tier player? Roro best Zerg haha
The awards don't lie. Maru forever <3
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On December 28 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team.
Either you're metagaming, trying to make people put RorO on their antis, either you just showed you know absolutely nothing about FPL.
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HOLY SHIT, Recommending RorO as destroyer of Anti-Teams for consideration in your main.
Rated 5 stars for that.
On December 28 2013 15:54 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team. Either you're metagaming, trying to make people put RorO on their antis, either you just showed you know absolutely nothing about FPL.
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Definitely the first 2, he knows his FPL IMHO.
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Ljas's Prime Time with HerO is obviously a joke team, you're taking it too seriously.
But Holy Shit jinorazi's 맨탈붕괘 has double Shine on the antiteam. Bisu would be proud.
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On December 28 2013 08:41 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team. Famous last words said by so many fallen souls. T_T
AHAHAH I laughed my ass off at this comment xD Generations of people repeating the same mistake.. Such sweet irony, you must have been deeply hurt by roro as we all have been, picking, trusting, distrusting, bitterly crying... ;-)
This time he's on my main (so he'll do jack shit, of course.)
edit : talking to zealously, not harem !
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On December 28 2013 10:16 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2013 09:09 Zealously wrote:On December 28 2013 09:06 Yonnua wrote:On December 28 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team. Woah, Roro got the award for best Zerg in 2013, surely that wouldn't have happened if he wasn't a top tier player? Roro best Zerg haha Amount of best zerg awards life got in 2013: 0 Amount of best zerg awards roro got in 2013: 1 THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE. Btw creator is going to roro the fuck out of this FPL, I see so many anti-teams with him even though 1. He's still pretty good at PvP in PvProleague 2. He will be fielded every prime match without a doubt. Creator gon be eatin on some FPL fams next year
I don't know Kev...
Creator has got a total of amazing 7 official games played since July. Maybe he is in good shape, maybe not, we just don't know I guess. I've always found him to be one of the most overrated Protosses, so maybe it's just my bias speaking.
Even if he is really as bad as I think, he is still not the best choice for an anti team though because he will play all the time and might pick up a lucky win or two.
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Pleasantly surprised to read this and find that my picks of Sora, Solar, and Squirtle were recommended, as was the decision not to pick soO (even though he won me many points over last PL), spread out my players over many teams, and putting Mvp on my anti. Though I am a little nervous about my Jila pick now....thinking about replacing him with Classic. Although, I do like having at least a little gamble in FPL, and Jila is pretty much guaranteed to play every week.
Last thing though, would people recommend having at least one definite ace player on their team? My most expensive player is Zest, but I'd be a little surprised to see him in an ace match, unless Flash has really atrophied (although Zest does have a ridiculous vP). The problem is that it's a little hard to pick good ace players. SKT and Jinair have 2 players "competing" for the ace slot, I have no idea who Samsung, MVP, and IM will field, and Prime will probably consistently field Creator but I don't know how good he is anymore. Seems like only CJ (herO probably) and maybe KT have definite aces.
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I anti'd Roro knowing full well what happened in the past
come at me
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I laughed at the roro comment. Love you.
edit: or are you serious? O.o
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I was inspired by this. I havn't played in a long while now, always going for iron man award. When those are done. I don't even know what teams these players are on.
LAST PLACE
Main Team
3 Bbyong
3 Fantasy
4 HerO
4 soO
5 Super
6 Zest (captain)
5 [tlpd#teams##sc2-korean]CJ Entus[/tlpd]
Anti Team
3 Bravo(sin)
8 Flash
2 Swagger
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
I may or may not have been serious with the final comment
In fact, take anything in the original post seriously at your own peril. I snuck in a few statements better suited for opposite day.
On December 29 2013 05:25 jubil wrote:
Pleasantly surprised to read this and find that my picks of Sora, Solar, and Squirtle were recommended, as was the decision not to pick soO (even though he won me many points over last PL), spread out my players over many teams, and putting Mvp on my anti. Though I am a little nervous about my Jila pick now....thinking about replacing him with Classic. Although, I do like having at least a little gamble in FPL, and Jila is pretty much guaranteed to play every week.
Last thing though, would people recommend having at least one definite ace player on their team? My most expensive player is Zest, but I'd be a little surprised to see him in an ace match, unless Flash has really atrophied (although Zest does have a ridiculous vP). The problem is that it's a little hard to pick good ace players. SKT and Jinair have 2 players "competing" for the ace slot, I have no idea who Samsung, MVP, and IM will field, and Prime will probably consistently field Creator but I don't know how good he is anymore. Seems like only CJ (herO probably) and maybe KT have definite aces.
Personally, I'd only go for a player worth 7+ points if I know for sure that they'll be fielded every match and play most if not all ace matches (essentially Flash). Paying the 8 points for SK or Parting will net you a lot of points for their wins and the bonus points from SKT's wins, but since there are 3 or 4 players that could all potentially be fielded on any given day I'd feel more confident picking a more even line-up with two 6-pointers instead of one 8-pointer and one 4-pointer. If your expensive player pick backfires, you're in trouble if you got an 8-pointer, whereas the situation can be salvaged to a greater degree if you went for Hydra instead of SK, for example.
As for aces: for Samsung, you can probably expect one of Solar or Stork to come out as ace (since they're apparently not playing Roro or Reality). Guessing the ace for MVP and IM is more difficult, but I'm leaning towards HerO given his previous experience in Proleague and the fact that he's pretty comparable to any of the other Protosses on the line-up most of the time. If not him, then probably Trap.
MVP, I really have no idea. Leaning towards Dream as he is the only player (besides Shine but I don't know wtf is up with that) being fielded both matches, but I think it'll come down a lot to what form they show on the day they play. Super, Keen and DRG are possible aces as well depending on their form, but Super hasn't played at all recently, Keen looked kind of mediocre in the IEM Sao Paulo qualifiers and DRG is a mixed bag as always, I think Dream is the pick I'd go with for MVP's ace.
CJ will probably field herO as the ace initially, but Sora, Bbyong and Hydra (maybe even Effort eventually?) are all good enough to possibly fill in for him at any point. KT will go with Flash because that's what they do.
Edit: as an example, here is a top 5 team from last season. None of the players on the main team were 8/9-pointers, MisterAA instead opting for a more balanced team of, if I remember correctly, players valued mostly around 5/6. Each player was likely to be fielded most if not all matches, but he didn't bank on a hilariously expensive player like Flash or Innovation raking in ace match points on top of normal victories.
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RorO not appearing in week 1 (for whatever reason) doesnt change the fact that hes still the best KHAN player.
I mean, why bother arguing that Stork or Solar would assume the ace while the first player is still terribad and the latter is no better than being somewhat potential?
So yeah, putting the team ace on anti is rather stupid unless you deeply hate the player/team and/or hes simply that bad
On the last point, if I know one thing from observing/playing FPL, you most likely need a super strong clutch heavy scorer (read:expansive) to actually break to the top and win the whole thing. Case like ByuL today is pretty rare as the opponent is weak.
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RorO on over 500 anti teams.
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Points counting was wrong. According to r1ch if you were in the lineup already, you get 0 from being selected as an ace. But -2 if you lose -.-
All strategies of picking potential ace candidates even from weaker teams are now .. Questionaboe at best... (I.e mine.)
Example : creator, 1 win regular 1 loss in ace match : total : 1pt. T_T
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On December 28 2013 15:54 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2013 08:07 Zealously wrote:
On a final note, there are a few players who have a history of never performing in Proleague. The worst of the lot is Roro. Not even being fielded, you can count on him losing every match should he eventually be played. He'll be a great pick for any anti-team. Either you're metagaming, trying to make people put RorO on their antis, either you just showed you know absolutely nothing about FPL.
Why pick RorO when you can have Hydra, or Shine or Effort to fail even more ?!
PS : No WJS group, shellshock, I'm questionning your loyalty to the Stars ...
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On December 28 2013 10:00 Release wrote:
Never put Roro on your anti. Ever
Roro is actually the best Anti-Anti-Team player I've ever heard of. He's not famous for a point boost, but famous for fantasy team destruction. Do not pick him, ever. Neither anti nor normal.
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