EPTWCS AM Lack of Viewers - Page 5
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The other issue is the crippling downtime. It is MLG's biggest weakness and they need to address it. Any time I would tune in and see that cityscape, I would just turn off the stream because I knew how much longer that thing would be up. I know they are limited on space, but there is a reason GSL has two sets of booths. MLG needs to takes steps make sure the next pair of players are setting up DURING the current match on air. They also need to staff up, get more robust casters and spend some money on a studio or other game space. The time zones are also an issue, but maybe they need to try and broadcast earlier in the morning for the EU audience. Start at 10 am and get as many people as possible. I want to love WCS NA and it can be done. NASL did it, but they don't have the relationship with Activision that MLG has. But MLG can make the magic happen, but they need to double down and get that production up. | ||
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
The sole reason for a casual viewer to watch a videogame competition or an sports competition in general is if he/she can relate in any way to the players present or if he/she is entertained by then.This is why in regular sports the biggest viewership numbers are not obtained for the biggest qulity matches but for the most hyped or most controversial. Right now in sports the highest paid athlete in the world in 2012 according to forbes is floyd mayweather junior who is a boxer.In general boxing is considered a niche sport with a low fanbase(theyre only on hbo and espn pay per view).Neverthelss the guy made almost 40 million dollars last year using his main weapon:a very big mouth. And this goes on in every sport.In football the most viewed matched are usually between temas with historic rivalries such as England-Argentine or Real MAdrid-Mancester United-Bayern Munchen.These matches are not necessarly of the highestt quality but people watch them because they want to see theyr'e countryman beating the historical rivals opponets. Historically in the US the only example that comes to mind was the Cold War period where the USA and USSR used venues such as the Olympic games as means of bolstering country pride:the hockey team matches,rocky balboa movies,I think even chessplayers were involved. Which brings me to the next point:nationalism.In any major sport nationalism or local affiliation is one of the main reasons why people watch a certain athelete/team.You dont support youre hometown team because they are good.You support them because they are your hometown team.Americans being patriots want an american to represent them and right now the na proscene is sort of dead at highlevel. If blizzard wants to really save the na scene they really need to introduce citizenship based region lock to allow the local scene to grow. If hardcore fans want great quality games then the Proleague/osl/gsl are running all year round.Note than the rolfstomp of a korean vs a foreigner isn't a quality game.A quality game is a competitive one in which both players have a shot.A game of rolfstomping is just boring. The EU finals could have had even higher ratings if it wasn't for forgg or even MVP.I wanna see the best in Europe not the best players that can not make it into korea. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On June 06 2013 22:56 Plansix wrote: I enjoyed both EU and NA, but the EU was a better broadcast. ESL a better production crew, but also casters and players that have better personality, more overt enthusiasm and infectious love of the game. The MLG casters are serviceable, but their casting is more workman like. The other issue is the crippling downtime. It is MLG's biggest weakness and they need to address it. Any time I would tune in and see that cityscape, I would just turn off the stream because I knew how much longer that thing would be up. I know they are limited on space, but there is a reason GSL has two sets of booths. MLG needs to takes steps make sure the next pair of players are setting up DURING the current match on air. They also need to staff up, get more robust casters and spend some money on a studio or other game space. The time zones are also an issue, but maybe they need to try and broadcast earlier in the morning for the EU audience. Start at 10 am and get as many people as possible. I want to love WCS NA and it can be done. NASL did it, but they don't have the relationship with Activision that MLG has. But MLG can make the magic happen, but they need to double down and get that production up. There is not much "downtime" per se, when you see the skyline they're doing ad breaks and you either don't get any or have adblock enabled. The thing is simply that MLG does waaaay more ad breaks in WCS NA than ESL or GOM do in WCS EU/WCS KR respectively. I think that's a NA thing, IPL and NASL did the same in their online broadcasts. | ||
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
Add to that the fact that MLG made it obvious from the very beginning that they didn't care about American competition during the Premier league invite phase (if I remember correctly over/nearly half of the invites were Korean. Really?), and you get a disillusioned/disowned American crowd. Going off of what Incontrol said on ITG about American viewers regularly being the largest chunk of viewers, and you immediately have a WCS that will falter no matter what you do. Then you throw on average casters and production when we could have had NASL's production and Bitterdam, and now people are pissed. Really, WCS AM failed because Blizzard picked the exact wrong partner. It doesn't matter how many people from the Americas you have playing when you have MLG fucking the duck every chance they got. | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
More streams in multiple languages with multiple casters. MLG casts are like a stick in the ass and WCS AM was done by MLG basically. WCS Europe was just more fun, the casters where more casual and funny and there simply was a connection between the casters and the viewers. In WCS america the casters I think tried to mimic casters from other american sports and tried to be all professional and boring and this simply sucks in my eyes. Its not for this community. In addition you had a better side program and other stuff in EU while in the US you had some music or ADDS ! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 07 2013 00:14 StarVe wrote: There is not much "downtime" per se, when you see the skyline they're doing ad breaks and you either don't get any or have adblock enabled. The thing is simply that MLG does waaaay more ad breaks in WCS NA than ESL or GOM do in WCS EU/WCS KR respectively. I think that's a NA thing, IPL and NASL did the same in their online broadcasts. Well it was on my Iphone or Xbox, where I don't seem to get ads. Still that downtime was brutal and painful. I can't deal with a full 5 minutes between 15-30 minute games and 20 minutes between sets. It is just to much. At least with GOM, there is pacing and you know when the commercials are going to end. | ||
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_Smartie
Canada3 Posts
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People_0f_Color
177 Posts
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PScience
United Kingdom18 Posts
On June 06 2013 16:38 Wojciech Zywny wrote: these days the only player i watch any more is flash. idk sc2 just isn't that entertaining anymore unless you're watching one of your favorite players. Without flash i really couldn't care any less about what happens at a tournament Same opinion here. Maybe I'd watch someone like Fantasy too if he started doing well. But the game just doesn't seem to be as fun to spectate as Brood War so you need some kind of attachment to the players for it to be exciting. | ||
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yOngKIN
Korea (North)656 Posts
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Orangered
289 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
EDIT: Tuned in for about a minute and then left because I had some work to do, but I'll be honest it just didn't feel too different. | ||
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Aeropunk
Australia255 Posts
 mOOnGLaDe's match to play first, which for Australia ended up being about 3AM, so they missed out on HEAPS of viewership from Aus... (okay okay, probs only 1k tops  )I'm not sure it can be avoided, but thinking about what times to hold tournaments is important as sponsors want to get the largest exposure that they can. | ||
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inn5013orecl
United States227 Posts
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Rho_
United States971 Posts
On June 05 2013 15:27 BisuDagger wrote: I had a great time watching wcs America throughout the whole thing. My worst experience was all the people complaining about casters and the number of participating Koreans. Wish people could put down pitchforks and enjoy it like I did. Seconded. Was a good tourney. | ||
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Orangered
289 Posts
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
If I wanted to watch storylines, I'd watch WCS EU America had Koreans, not even the best Koreans, basically stomp NA pros, and by the end, it was just mid tier Korean players and no storylines or players I could root for from my area The qualifiers fiasco turned me off as well, MLG's response was pretty lackluster and Sundance's apology was worse. And on top of that, NASL being phased out of SC2 was sad as well. Just overall, I thought it was handled very poorly and that there was no reason for me to watch it other than I happen to be in that time zone. | ||
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