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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
June 06 2013 13:35 GMT
#81
The lower number of viewers was well deserved. Just lame production by MLG.
Off-season = best season
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 06 2013 13:56 GMT
#82
I enjoyed both EU and NA, but the EU was a better broadcast. ESL a better production crew, but also casters and players that have better personality, more overt enthusiasm and infectious love of the game. The MLG casters are serviceable, but their casting is more workman like.

The other issue is the crippling downtime. It is MLG's biggest weakness and they need to address it. Any time I would tune in and see that cityscape, I would just turn off the stream because I knew how much longer that thing would be up. I know they are limited on space, but there is a reason GSL has two sets of booths. MLG needs to takes steps make sure the next pair of players are setting up DURING the current match on air.

They also need to staff up, get more robust casters and spend some money on a studio or other game space. The time zones are also an issue, but maybe they need to try and broadcast earlier in the morning for the EU audience. Start at 10 am and get as many people as possible.

I want to love WCS NA and it can be done. NASL did it, but they don't have the relationship with Activision that MLG has. But MLG can make the magic happen, but they need to double down and get that production up.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
June 06 2013 14:15 GMT
#83
The lack of entertaining NA players is the sole reason why there were no casual viewers.
The sole reason for a casual viewer to watch a videogame competition or an sports competition in general is if he/she can relate in any way to the players present or if he/she is entertained by then.This is why in regular sports the biggest viewership numbers are not obtained for the biggest qulity matches but for the most hyped or most controversial.
Right now in sports the highest paid athlete in the world in 2012 according to forbes is floyd mayweather junior who is a boxer.In general boxing is considered a niche sport with a low fanbase(theyre only on hbo and espn pay per view).Neverthelss the guy made almost 40 million dollars last year using his main weapon:a very big mouth.
And this goes on in every sport.In football the most viewed matched are usually between temas with historic rivalries such as England-Argentine or Real MAdrid-Mancester United-Bayern Munchen.These matches are not necessarly of the highestt quality but people watch them because they want to see theyr'e countryman beating the historical rivals opponets.
Historically in the US the only example that comes to mind was the Cold War period where the USA and USSR used venues such as the Olympic games as means of bolstering country pride:the hockey team matches,rocky balboa movies,I think even chessplayers were involved.
Which brings me to the next point:nationalism.In any major sport nationalism or local affiliation is one of the main reasons why people watch a certain athelete/team.You dont support youre hometown team because they are good.You support them because they are your hometown team.Americans being patriots want an american to represent them and right now the na proscene is sort of dead at highlevel.
If blizzard wants to really save the na scene they really need to introduce citizenship based region lock to allow the local scene to grow.
If hardcore fans want great quality games then the Proleague/osl/gsl are running all year round.Note than the rolfstomp of a korean vs a foreigner isn't a quality game.A quality game is a competitive one in which both players have a shot.A game of rolfstomping is just boring.
The EU finals could have had even higher ratings if it wasn't for forgg or even MVP.I wanna see the best in Europe not the best players that can not make it into korea.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
June 06 2013 14:59 GMT
#84
I didn't watch the American ones simply had no interest in watching.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-06 15:25:00
June 06 2013 15:14 GMT
#85
On June 06 2013 22:56 Plansix wrote:
I enjoyed both EU and NA, but the EU was a better broadcast. ESL a better production crew, but also casters and players that have better personality, more overt enthusiasm and infectious love of the game. The MLG casters are serviceable, but their casting is more workman like.

The other issue is the crippling downtime. It is MLG's biggest weakness and they need to address it. Any time I would tune in and see that cityscape, I would just turn off the stream because I knew how much longer that thing would be up. I know they are limited on space, but there is a reason GSL has two sets of booths. MLG needs to takes steps make sure the next pair of players are setting up DURING the current match on air.

They also need to staff up, get more robust casters and spend some money on a studio or other game space. The time zones are also an issue, but maybe they need to try and broadcast earlier in the morning for the EU audience. Start at 10 am and get as many people as possible.

I want to love WCS NA and it can be done. NASL did it, but they don't have the relationship with Activision that MLG has. But MLG can make the magic happen, but they need to double down and get that production up.

There is not much "downtime" per se, when you see the skyline they're doing ad breaks and you either don't get any or have adblock enabled.

The thing is simply that MLG does waaaay more ad breaks in WCS NA than ESL or GOM do in WCS EU/WCS KR respectively.

I think that's a NA thing, IPL and NASL did the same in their online broadcasts.
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
June 06 2013 15:50 GMT
#86
I didn't watch because I refused to reward MLG for the bullshit job they did up to that point. One thing people regularly discount is the amount of viewers MLG lost during the Premier League qualifiers fiascos. Those were huge fuckups that were "fixed" with another MLG apology that no one really accepted. Then, you have a WCS AM that's basically MLG arena over more days.

Add to that the fact that MLG made it obvious from the very beginning that they didn't care about American competition during the Premier league invite phase (if I remember correctly over/nearly half of the invites were Korean. Really?), and you get a disillusioned/disowned American crowd. Going off of what Incontrol said on ITG about American viewers regularly being the largest chunk of viewers, and you immediately have a WCS that will falter no matter what you do. Then you throw on average casters and production when we could have had NASL's production and Bitterdam, and now people are pissed.

Really, WCS AM failed because Blizzard picked the exact wrong partner. It doesn't matter how many people from the Americas you have playing when you have MLG fucking the duck every chance they got.
Holy_AT
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-06 16:17:17
June 06 2013 16:15 GMT
#87
I think that WC Europe simply had the better production.
More streams in multiple languages with multiple casters.
MLG casts are like a stick in the ass and WCS AM was done by MLG basically.
WCS Europe was just more fun, the casters where more casual and funny and there simply was a connection between the casters and the viewers.
In WCS america the casters I think tried to mimic casters from other american sports and tried to be all professional and boring and this simply sucks in my eyes. Its not for this community.

In addition you had a better side program and other stuff in EU while in the US you had some music or ADDS !
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 06 2013 17:03 GMT
#88
On June 07 2013 00:14 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 22:56 Plansix wrote:
I enjoyed both EU and NA, but the EU was a better broadcast. ESL a better production crew, but also casters and players that have better personality, more overt enthusiasm and infectious love of the game. The MLG casters are serviceable, but their casting is more workman like.

The other issue is the crippling downtime. It is MLG's biggest weakness and they need to address it. Any time I would tune in and see that cityscape, I would just turn off the stream because I knew how much longer that thing would be up. I know they are limited on space, but there is a reason GSL has two sets of booths. MLG needs to takes steps make sure the next pair of players are setting up DURING the current match on air.

They also need to staff up, get more robust casters and spend some money on a studio or other game space. The time zones are also an issue, but maybe they need to try and broadcast earlier in the morning for the EU audience. Start at 10 am and get as many people as possible.

I want to love WCS NA and it can be done. NASL did it, but they don't have the relationship with Activision that MLG has. But MLG can make the magic happen, but they need to double down and get that production up.

There is not much "downtime" per se, when you see the skyline they're doing ad breaks and you either don't get any or have adblock enabled.

The thing is simply that MLG does waaaay more ad breaks in WCS NA than ESL or GOM do in WCS EU/WCS KR respectively.

I think that's a NA thing, IPL and NASL did the same in their online broadcasts.


Well it was on my Iphone or Xbox, where I don't seem to get ads. Still that downtime was brutal and painful. I can't deal with a full 5 minutes between 15-30 minute games and 20 minutes between sets. It is just to much. At least with GOM, there is pacing and you know when the commercials are going to end.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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_Smartie
Profile Joined June 2013
Canada3 Posts
June 06 2013 17:53 GMT
#89
I just think the EU finals had a better line up, than the AM
"What I love, is what I live for"
People_0f_Color
Profile Joined August 2010
177 Posts
June 06 2013 17:59 GMT
#90
Casters are a MUCH bigger part of it than are given credit for. I don't care who's playing in Europe, I like apollo and the kingslayer enough to listen to them for hours and tell me why I should care. But Axslav/toss's manufactured hype, and lack of an ability to connect to viewers on a meaningful level really hurts my experience and makes me not care. There is so much starcraft content now...why would I watch teh WCS America finals with those two casters when I can watch a half dozen great EU matches as well with a far superior caster experience.
PScience
Profile Joined January 2013
United Kingdom18 Posts
June 06 2013 19:05 GMT
#91
On June 06 2013 16:38 Wojciech Zywny wrote:
these days the only player i watch any more is flash. idk sc2 just isn't that entertaining anymore unless you're watching one of your favorite players.

Without flash i really couldn't care any less about what happens at a tournament



Same opinion here. Maybe I'd watch someone like Fantasy too if he started doing well. But the game just doesn't seem to be as fun to spectate as Brood War so you need some kind of attachment to the players for it to be exciting.
yOngKIN
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (North)656 Posts
June 06 2013 23:08 GMT
#92
No foreigners seems to be the reason
Orangered
Profile Joined June 2013
289 Posts
June 06 2013 23:40 GMT
#93
The time has a lot to do with it, especially among EU viewers
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 04:33:09
June 07 2013 04:32 GMT
#94
Honestly most of the comments in here say everything, but for me one of the big things is that WCS doesn't have anything special about the finals it seems. I don't know, it just felt like the rest of all the games they casted.

EDIT: Tuned in for about a minute and then left because I had some work to do, but I'll be honest it just didn't feel too different.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Aeropunk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia255 Posts
June 07 2013 06:04 GMT
#95
Also, a big point is that they scheduled (Z)mOOnGLaDe's match to play first, which for Australia ended up being about 3AM, so they missed out on HEAPS of viewership from Aus... (okay okay, probs only 1k tops )

I'm not sure it can be avoided, but thinking about what times to hold tournaments is important as sponsors want to get the largest exposure that they can.
inn5013orecl
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States227 Posts
June 07 2013 08:06 GMT
#96
I personally stopped watching after moonglade got knocked out. While I like the korean players, I really don't like the out-of-region allowance into the WCS and use my (tiny drop of) viewer's influence in an attempt to persuade blizzard to change. Moonglade's AM entrance was legit, because AU closer to AM than EU. Another legit choice for him could've been KR (but which foreigner would choose this...).
i live with a korean who doesnt play sc...wtf
Rho_
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States971 Posts
June 07 2013 14:45 GMT
#97
On June 05 2013 15:27 BisuDagger wrote:
I had a great time watching wcs America throughout the whole thing. My worst experience was all the people complaining about casters and the number of participating Koreans. Wish people could put down pitchforks and enjoy it like I did.


Seconded. Was a good tourney.
Orangered
Profile Joined June 2013
289 Posts
June 07 2013 15:27 GMT
#98
Was a surprisingly good day, despite the initial comments
Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
June 07 2013 23:19 GMT
#99
For me, i didn't watch because i just dont like the players. And also the production was no where near the effort WCS EU Gave. They provided Game analysis of each games, interviews with the pros and audiences, and i think i even saw a bar there which shows how much prepared they are.
ForGG, Mvp, MMA, MarineKing, BoxeR,
Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
June 08 2013 00:34 GMT
#100
I didn't watch it cause there was no incentive to watch it. If I wanted to watch Koreans (aka top level play), I'd watch GSL and Proleague
If I wanted to watch storylines, I'd watch WCS EU
America had Koreans, not even the best Koreans, basically stomp NA pros, and by the end, it was just mid tier Korean players and no storylines or players I could root for from my area
The qualifiers fiasco turned me off as well, MLG's response was pretty lackluster and Sundance's apology was worse. And on top of that, NASL being phased out of SC2 was sad as well.

Just overall, I thought it was handled very poorly and that there was no reason for me to watch it other than I happen to be in that time zone.
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