EPTWCS AM Lack of Viewers - Page 6
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
In fact, I switched from watching SC2 to playing/watching Dota2 because HotS doesn't interest me at all. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
Foreigners vs Koreans is interesting; Koreans vs Koreans is just another lower quality production of GSL. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Proof] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PbSw6gN.png) | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
AM was quite the opposite, I only caught a few games when I had nothing else to watch and it just didnt get me excited to watch the final because it was going to be more of the same boring set with casters I dont enjoy listening to. I skipped through the finals for AM on VOD a few days later and was quite unimpressed. The only reason I bothered watching was because I wanted to see HerO play Revival. | ||
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LastDance
New Zealand510 Posts
On June 05 2013 18:02 Plexa wrote: I half-heartedly watched the finals. Not that I have any issue with Korean domination its just that I didn't really care for the players that made it through. Unfortunately, players like Ryung, Revival, Alicia and Alive aren't particularly interesting to me. There hasn't been enough PR around these players to make them people I care about yet, WCS EU had it a lot easier in this regard but I still felt like the hype around these players was sorely lacking. This isn't even a comment about whether they're skilled or not, it's purely that there wasn't a storyline or anything interesting about the tournament (compounded by all the problems plaguing the tournament). If that lineup had been Hyun, Jaedong, Hero, Polt in the top 4 I feel like the viewership would have been a lot higher. I totally agree with Plexa. | ||
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Neoto
United Kingdom19 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
The 2 players just tossing medivacs with hellbats at their opponent over and over and over until someone has a marked advantage and wins 10 minutes later just is incredibly boring. Not even Tastosis, IMO the best casting duo, can't make that kind of TvT interesting to watch. SCVs running, SCVs running, lucky drop -> win. Also there was like a 2 hour pause between the semis and the finals... Come on. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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salle
Sweden5554 Posts
On June 10 2013 04:38 Djzapz wrote: I went to bed after MvP vs. Innovation which I had running on my computer but I wasn't really watching it. The sad thing is that I was excited for MvP's games. The 2 players just tossing medivacs with hellbats at their opponent over and over and over until someone has a marked advantage and wins 10 minutes later just is incredibly boring. Not even Tastosis, IMO the best casting duo, can't make that kind of TvT interesting to watch. SCVs running, SCVs running, lucky drop -> win. Also there was like a 2 hour pause between the semis and the finals... Come on. Uhm wrong finals. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 08 2013 18:49 Masq wrote: The issue is the dominance of koreans over americans. People want to watch players that can at least semi relate to/ have some personality. With so much SC to be watched, why would you ever watch WCS over GSL? Foreigners vs Koreans is interesting; Koreans vs Koreans is just another lower quality production of GSL. Foreigners versus Koreans is interesting? How so? Most of the time they're getting trounced. On June 10 2013 04:38 Djzapz wrote: I went to bed after MvP vs. Innovation which I had running on my computer but I wasn't really watching it. The sad thing is that I was excited for MvP's games. The 2 players just tossing medivacs with hellbats at their opponent over and over and over until someone has a marked advantage and wins 10 minutes later just is incredibly boring. Not even Tastosis, IMO the best casting duo, can't make that kind of TvT interesting to watch. SCVs running, SCVs running, lucky drop -> win. Also there was like a 2 hour pause between the semis and the finals... Come on. This sounds bitter. I guess you didn't like it when MVP lost the final game. On the bright side, it went way passed that point several times. Unlucky break? I don't know man. That seems like a forced error in my book. Innovation was trying to catch those scvs out of place. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
2. koreans only IS an issue, i not watched as soon as all foreigns was out 3. casters/Settings (they have not the class of europe) | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
In my opinion, the problem of the whole WCS system is that it all climaxes very fast. When choosing SC2 to watch at a given moment, I have a tendency to pick tournaments that are in the latest stage, because that increases the possibility of good games as compared to early rounds/prliminaries or whatever (not to say they are only good finals and bad Ro32s, but on average and not including GSL finals, this works pretty well) - but with WCS, there were FOUR big finals within like three weeks. That was just too much for a short time. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
I think I posted in the wrong thread. I'm still angry with TvT in general ;( | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
"Hometown heroes" make or break an event. If I stream Sen playing a bunch of Code S Koreans with myself speaking butchered Mandarin to cast the event and get 2600 viewers all at once, then that means anyone is willing to go to great lengths to see their own nation's players fighting for their survival in the tournament. The fact that there were no Americans in the end did not shake any hardcore fans of the GSL or largely Korean-dominated SC2 events, but deterred any chance of increasing American viewership. Evidence for this? Let me find me casting the Pride of Taiwan in butchered mandarin and present some figures... http://www.twitch.tv/enders116/b/339023066 - three hours ten minutes. I have 2600 viewers because Taiwanese people want to watch their symbol of national sc2 pride (sen) compete. | ||
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salle
Sweden5554 Posts
On June 12 2013 13:52 Enders116 wrote: I must respectfully disagree with the OP on all ends. "Hometown heroes" make or break an event. If I stream Sen playing a bunch of Code S Koreans with myself speaking butchered Mandarin to cast the event and get 2600 viewers all at once, then that means anyone is willing to go to great lengths to see their own nation's players fighting for their survival in the tournament. The fact that there were no Americans in the end did not shake any hardcore fans of the GSL or largely Korean-dominated SC2 events, but deterred any chance of increasing American viewership. Evidence for this? Let me find me casting the Pride of Taiwan in butchered mandarin and present some figures... http://www.twitch.tv/enders116/b/339023066 - three hours ten minutes. I have 2600 viewers because Taiwanese people want to watch their symbol of national sc2 pride (sen) compete. You're missing my points then. I'm assuming that the time you were broadcasting the games were not in the middle of the night, but rather some time in the middle of the day? Obviously the fan favourite players (based on the fan base also) matters. But a huge part of why there were so few people watching WCS America was due to a number of factors and not just one. These factors are rather universal for getting a big number of viewers:
If you look at any of the big LAN tournaments of recent years you'd know that a lot of them have had much higher viewership figures with players on the same fan favourite level as the ones in WCS America's final. If you had had the most favourited players around people will still not tune in if the production bores them too much. Another thing to consider is the general acceptance of the tournament by the fans. This is a point I guess I haven't really brought up but it is worth mentioning. In general there are people who dislike WCS just because it is rather over complicated. Others because it's out-muscled NASL from daily SC2 league. Others because of the rules of allowing Non-American residents to participate in an "American" tournament (ie the rule on principle not the defacto players that did come into the finals). Then there are those who disliked MLGs handling of qualifiers etc. The last one is the only one that really makes any big difference on the European to American viewership numbers. Which is what we were discussing. Because it does remove a lot of variables when trying to analyze the number of concurrent viewers. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Gofarman
Canada645 Posts
Axslav and axeltoss are sub-par. WCS NA without NA players. | ||
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Bobnoble
Luxembourg52 Posts
I don't think the nationality of the player lineup was the problem or at least not the core of the problem as stated by the OP. I mean most of the koreans were on NA teams and everybody loves LiquidHero. But let's assume the casters were fine, a matter of taste I suppose, the nail in the coffin to me was the fact that WCS EU did by far the better job at... well, everything. + Show Spoiler + especially MC trolling Apollo during analysis was priceless xDDD But again, to me just the casters. | ||
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