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r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1070 Posts
June 05 2013 15:16 GMT
#41
It felt like watching a replay cast.
clipzu
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany156 Posts
June 05 2013 15:34 GMT
#42
i watched the semifinals but after them it was just to late
and the pauses between matches just felt so long for me, the downtime was unbearable
and the casters (axeltoss axslav ) somewhat bored me ( which could be because of the late time, but still they didnt fell as entertaining as the eu casters )
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 05 2013 16:00 GMT
#43
Of course it's mostly time zones. But overall I felt it very much lacked coherence. EU had a great host in Redeye who tied the whole thing together while in NA it felt a bit like the IPL broadcasts of old. Cast one game, break, cast another game, break, cast another game, it's over, have another ad break and start the next match.

There wasn't enough to remind me that this wasn't a replay cast or at least something bigger than an MLG qualifier stream. I watched it, but I can't say I felt thoroughly entertained. I just wanted to know what it was going to be like, so I sat through it, and the lack of any kind of audience probably greatly contributed to that feeling. I stuck around because I had nothing better to do, not because anything compelled me to stick around.

MLG got pretty unlucky with the players in the Ro8/Ro4, you gotta give them that, and I don't think they did a subpar job or anything. I just felt like they were doing what they have always been doing, and while that is certainly adequate, I think this won't necessarily allow them to retain their viewer numbers if they stick with that formula.

They got dealt a shitty hand, but they might need to look around to the other regions and take notes and try to implement new things, that simply change up stuff they haven't changed in a long time. Even if it's just changing things for the sake of it, people need to get a fresh perspective on MLG shows. I hope their WCS budget allows them to do something along those lines.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
June 05 2013 16:03 GMT
#44
I did watch the games and I'm not surprised by the numbers. They just weren't that good.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 05 2013 16:04 GMT
#45
Does anyone know which day was the peak viewer count? Was it the final or was it IdrA's Ro32 group?
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 05 2013 16:10 GMT
#46
If I lived in Germany and I wouldn't stay up to watch it regardless of the players. Lots of people know how much I enjoy watching HerO play, but I definitely wouldn't stay up to watch him play in this one. I can only seeing myself stay up really late for a couple of Leagues/Tournaments now from my end. Which would include PL, some GSTL matches and GSL Korea. If I lived in Korea I might stay up a MLG lan tournament (Columbus; Anaheim; Dallas, Providence) as long as there were no delays *cough, cough*. In reality there aren't many tournaments in the Western Hemisphere that I could see myself staying up to watch. Especially when you have rebroadcasts running with some organizers like IPL and the NASL. I would have no reason to watch it live.

How did MLG get unlucky with the players? If you ask me who would advance from that player pool it would be pretty much these guys qualifying.
Holo82
Profile Joined April 2013
Austria107 Posts
June 05 2013 16:22 GMT
#47
i think its mainly caused by the low spread of broadband internet in the USA, the whole infrastructure and therefore the whole e-sports thing is 5-10 years behind compared to Europe. It really feels like USA internet infrastructure is years behind if u are not living in one of a few central metropolitan areas.
Another factor, is that most Europeans cannot watch WCS America, it starts at midnight in central europe.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
June 05 2013 16:31 GMT
#48
On June 06 2013 01:10 StarStruck wrote:
If I lived in Germany and I wouldn't stay up to watch it regardless of the players. Lots of people know how much I enjoy watching HerO play, but I definitely wouldn't stay up to watch him play in this one. I can only seeing myself stay up really late for a couple of Leagues/Tournaments now from my end. Which would include PL, some GSTL matches and GSL Korea. If I lived in Korea I might stay up a MLG lan tournament (Columbus; Anaheim; Dallas, Providence) as long as there were no delays *cough, cough*. In reality there aren't many tournaments in the Western Hemisphere that I could see myself staying up to watch. Especially when you have rebroadcasts running with some organizers like IPL and the NASL. I would have no reason to watch it live.

How did MLG get unlucky with the players? If you ask me who would advance from that player pool it would be pretty much these guys qualifying.

Less people care about the players. They're somewhat decent, but alive or Revival have much fewer fans than others. Imagine the Ro4 being HerO, Polt, Scarlett and viOlet. That would probably have brought out more people. Hell, even NesTea or someone like that making it far.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
June 05 2013 16:36 GMT
#49
I liked Shoutcraft AM better.

The casters were half bad imo. Axslav? the one with the beard is pretty good imo. the other one is bad...
Yes the downtime was annoying and the fact that the finals didnt have very good players played a role too.

I watched GSL and WCS eu finals even though im in the eastern timezone ( NYC time ) but couldnt give more fucks than 0 for WCS AM because players didnt really appeal to me.

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tokinho
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States792 Posts
June 05 2013 16:49 GMT
#50
I agree with previous posts. Lots of lag on twitch. Not a fan of axeltoss for casting.

would prefer to see NASL casters. Gretorp or bitterdam. I put up with it for the MVP matches mostly because he's very friendly to people.
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hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
June 05 2013 17:00 GMT
#51
only 3 interesting players: moonglade, snute and hero.. If it wasn't for @TeamLiquidpro twitterfeed, i even would not have known it was on.
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 17:58:49
June 05 2013 17:37 GMT
#52
I didn't watch because it just felt like an amateur version of WCS KR finals in terms of skill-level. If the final were snute vs. scarlett or moonglade, I would definitely have tuned in even if it were zvz just because I want to know who the best foreigner in the scene is.
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
June 05 2013 17:45 GMT
#53
On June 06 2013 01:10 StarStruck wrote:
If I lived in Germany and I wouldn't stay up to watch it regardless of the players. Lots of people know how much I enjoy watching HerO play, but I definitely wouldn't stay up to watch him play in this one. I can only seeing myself stay up really late for a couple of Leagues/Tournaments now from my end. Which would include PL, some GSTL matches and GSL Korea. If I lived in Korea I might stay up a MLG lan tournament (Columbus; Anaheim; Dallas, Providence) as long as there were no delays *cough, cough*. In reality there aren't many tournaments in the Western Hemisphere that I could see myself staying up to watch. Especially when you have rebroadcasts running with some organizers like IPL and the NASL. I would have no reason to watch it live.

How did MLG get unlucky with the players? If you ask me who would advance from that player pool it would be pretty much these guys qualifying.


I think the slow pace with lots of pauses hurts the fans living in different timezones a lot. I see me stay up late for GSL not only for the higher level of play but for the better pace of the show. Even the finals were at a nice pace or the bo5 semi´s are ok here are the players and the sponsors but now we focus on the games.

Watching MLG events in general and WCS NA feels more like the super bowl. There are commercials. And waiting. Interrupted by gameplay.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
June 05 2013 17:53 GMT
#54
I watched it, though not with great interest. I wouldn't have watched it if it was a foreigner only finals. I didn't watch WCS US or WCS NA finals last year.

The production and atmosphere was obviously not great but overall the players themselves weren't the best and that was the main reason it wasn't too interesting for me.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 05 2013 18:30 GMT
#55
MLG is just really bad at producing a compelling event, always have been. their casters aren't the most exciting ones out there either and the player lineup was really lackluster compared to KR and EU, even in the playoffs/finals. it's to be expected.
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Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
June 05 2013 19:15 GMT
#56
No, I don't watch because of twitch lag.

I can watch other streams just fine, but the WCS AM stream always lags.

Plain and simple.
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namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
June 05 2013 19:27 GMT
#57
I don't like MLG so I didn't watch it, ofc having such a boring group of players didn't help much at all either.
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Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 19:39:40
June 05 2013 19:38 GMT
#58
Good read, I agree entirely, I don't expect the same # as EU, but this still was low relative to that.

MLG has put on live events which has had Korean versus Korean finals before and the viewer numbers have been much better at those tournaments.


I think when WCS AM has Korean domination it is very different than when MLG Anaheim has Korean domination. WCS AM felt like GSL Lite, not WCS AM.

The biggest problem to me is there is no X factor that draws people in, everything was basically just passable, its hard to have any BIG complaints, but nothing stood out as raising the bar. Level of gameplay was good but not world class, entertainment value was moderate, venue was average at best, broadcast talent pull/popularity moderate at best as well, pre tournament hype felt very lacking. Generally we see tournaments really blow it out of the park in at least one of these areas, generally in the past MLG has done this with big name players, in a way they used to bring in Tastosis and every big name caster they could, they replaced that with KeSPA players, and it worked, but here there was no X factor that made anyone really think "Damn, I need to watch this". I had it on and watched it all, but I never felt pulled in to the show and tournament whatsoever.
Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 19:39:03
June 05 2013 19:38 GMT
#59
There's just nothing to write home about the production value. Ehhh-ish casters, no downtime content, no live audience, there wasn't much music playing during the event, venue is inside a small office. When HerO won it, I just felt like: "Oh... well I guess that's that." and not like when Mvp won WCS EU and Soulkey won GSL I was like "hooooooooly fuck, that series was so epic!"
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Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States880 Posts
June 05 2013 19:43 GMT
#60
Aside from HerO himself, the WCS AM tournament didn't field any world class players. That's the major reason I didn't watch it live and caught the VoDs later. Minor reasons include the lack of a live audience and a lack of an interesting narrative (no foreigners, no up-and-comers in the later stages of the tournament, etc).

However, I really do appreciate the fact that it brought out some pretty entertaining games and that it was all free. It just wasn't enough for me to rearrange my schedule to watch it live.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
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