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I Read "The Time Machine" and Grew My Vocabulary - Page 3

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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 07 2013 19:53 GMT
#41
On June 05 2013 18:47 thedeadhaji wrote:
my level of syntax is much higher than my level of diction though so I can probably smoke and mirrors you guys and sound pretentious :p

You're well schooled in the art of sounding pretentious, certainly.
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FoxShine
Profile Joined January 2012
United States156 Posts
June 08 2013 01:36 GMT
#42
I can usually get by using only context clues to understand the meaning words i don't know. But I've made it a habit to crosscheck the dictionary because it provides a much richer understanding. When i was a freshman in highschool i read some of Ralph Waldo Emerison's Essays. He uses really long sentences separated with commas and laden with big words. It was really hard using context to derive their meaning, because he used them exactly. When I went over the sentence again with updated vocabulary the sentence made so much more sense and it was a much better read. Least of all, this is a really good habit to have.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
June 08 2013 02:45 GMT
#43
On June 08 2013 04:26 Soymilk wrote:
You didn't know "candlestick" before this?

I didn't either...
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
June 08 2013 02:47 GMT
#44
You'd think it was pretty straightforward, "candle" + "stick" :p
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
doner0
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States233 Posts
June 08 2013 03:09 GMT
#45
ya those boks are tough :/ i remember reading game of thrones and Tywin said something like, "get some faggots for the fire" and i was so blown away and knew that there must be an alternate definition. Cause how ridiculous would it to be that for the scene for him to just be sending people in to fuel the fire haha. i was blown away. for those that don't know faggots is a bundle of sticks or twigs.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 08 2013 05:13 GMT
#46
On June 08 2013 11:47 Hesmyrr wrote:
You'd think it was pretty straightforward, "candle" + "stick" :p


always thought it was referring to the candle inself, not the holder :O

Maybe it's b/c I grew up with Candlestick Park since I was little and preconceptions had formed at a really early age. In this book, the context told me that the word was used to refer to the holder of the candle, so I had to look it up and as a result I found out that I had the wrong definition of the word for the last 20 years!

I'm more than happy to find out and admit to my shortcomings of knowledge since it's the truth after all and it's not like I have to come off as if I'm a learned man online (unlike certain rl social functions... ugh), especially if I learn as a result
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 08 2013 06:59 GMT
#47
On June 05 2013 21:53 Steveling wrote:
I face the exact same problem haji.
I picked up an epub of Brave New World in english the other day, had to open a lexicon like 4 times for the first page.

But it's so rewarding when you finish a piece of quality literature without help.
Gotta keep on it.


Loved Brave New World!
It's what got me started on this Sci Fi craze over the last year. Could you believe that I never read books outside of class growing up, not even Sci Fi? Now I read ~50 books a year!

On June 05 2013 22:30 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 19:26 Tobberoth wrote:

Jap is a derogatory term (then again so is gaijin), just so you know.

And as for Japanese speaking english (and koreans as well), I've found that they commonly learn quite advanced vocabulary... the problem is that they don't learn to actually use it. Hell, I learned the word "constipation" from my korean classmates in Japan, and their English was terrible. Knowing hard words unfortunately does little to help speaking or even comrehension.



Gaijin isnt a derogatory term, its an excuse for us to not know kanji stroke order properly and use で and に incorrectly while speaking =)

Im surprised you didn't know all those words considering how well-written you are, but its always good to learn something when you read!


Gaijin really is a derogatory word. (ask mani) It means "not one of us". To be treated as 'not one of us' is painful if you're say an Indian dude or White dude who's lived in Japan for say 20 years. "From a different country" is gaikokujin.

On June 05 2013 22:57 momotaro wrote:
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On June 05 2013 15:44 TOCHMY wrote:
On June 05 2013 14:37 momotaro wrote:
thedeadhaji is not American? A few of these words are pretty standard middle school English stuff here in Japan



Yet you'll have a hard time finding a japanese willing to speak english to a gaijin... T_T

I didn't mean that as an insult. I was only a bit surprised how someone who could write English fluently not know some of the words which I learned in middle school. For example, corrugated steel, cretaceous era, indolent, and others seem fairly common in books, magazines, newspapers, and other reading materials.

To Archas, thanks for "cornobble", I need to find a use for this word soon :p


Never read as a kid growing up!!

I was so slow at reading and it was so painful that I'd often resort to spark notes. I even spark notes'ed the latter half of Fereignheit 451 in 9th grade. I reread (?) it this year and it was a fantastic book. God I was so ignorant back then...


On June 06 2013 01:00 spinesheath wrote:
Really, "wooden"? As in "made from wood"?
Also you really should know "flagstone", considering that it's part of the twilight tileset in Broodwar (the dark blue/black stuff).
Not knowing "unhinged" shows that you don't play MTG.


I think it was using the third meaning here

1.
consisting or made of wood; wood: a wooden ship.
2.
stiff, ungainly, or awkward: a wooden gait.
3.
without spirit, animation, or awareness.
4.
dull or stupid.

On June 06 2013 10:05 jcroisdale wrote:
Wow this is so weird to me, everyone is saying how much work it is to look up words they don't know. I thought it was commonplace to do this. I have always done this, I thought it was standard to look it up if you didn't know. Its very interesting to me that most people do not do this.

I guess this might be my reason for excelling in vocab and failing in grammar. I can tell you a thrilling story with amazing syntax and vocab, that is full of run-on sentences and fragments, with comma's strewn about as if they were sprinkles on my cupcake story.


Cormac McCarthy!!


On June 06 2013 10:07 hp.Shell wrote:
Okay, at first I thought this was Haruki Murakami's blog. I was awestruck. But now it seems more realistic. Good on you for looking up those words!


Not the first time I've been told this, as you might imagine. Apparently my Japanese writing resembles his style too.


On June 06 2013 13:24 kefkalives wrote:
Haji, Have you read Heart of Darkness? If not, Conrad was a pole, who spoke english as his 3rd(?) language. Some of the most complex english vocabulary in a novel i have ever read.


read it in school. Classmates hated it, I actually enjoyed it. I don't remember much about it since I read it over 10 years ago, but it's on my bookshelf so maybe I'll read it again

On June 06 2013 22:33 Silencioseu wrote:
Excuse me but what do you mean by "day week"?


I believe it is "one week in the future, the same day"
HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
June 08 2013 08:40 GMT
#48
Tried to read Moby Dick once, did not make it past chapter one. Everything I had to look up seemed utterly useless in any imaginable scenario where I would have to use the english language, except reading Moby Dick itself.
Scorcher2k
Profile Joined November 2009
United States802 Posts
June 08 2013 08:57 GMT
#49
If you haven't read Country of the Blind or the original Curious Case of Benjamin Button I would recommend checking those out as well. Country of the Blind got me into short stories and really sent me on a hunt for older sci-fi novels. Also, if you ever want to expand your vocabulary and sound even more pretentious just start reading philosophy.
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
June 08 2013 20:18 GMT
#50
On June 05 2013 13:03 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Slake = lake filled with snakes.
Buskin = the pokemon that evolves into Combuskin.

Gibbous = a hat that only f2p's wear
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 22:58:05
June 09 2013 22:54 GMT
#51
Not to toot my own horn but there wasn't a word on that list I didn't already know. Thats probably down to the fact that I am both a heavy reader of books and studied a lot of old plays at stage school, a lot of those words aren't in common usage these days.

There are some words on there that I am surprised u didn't know, so much so that I must assume you are not a native speaker or that your school needs a good kick up the backside! Read more books, its a fantastic way to learn new words that you can use to insult morons without them knowing it!

you can find the word rhododendron in two Harry Potter books, don't ask me how I remember that lol
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1939 Posts
June 09 2013 23:05 GMT
#52
You seriously didn't know what "wooden" meant ?
Or did you just include that to see if anyone would actually read the whole list :p
geiko.813 (EU)
Race is Terran
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States382 Posts
June 09 2013 23:16 GMT
#53
damn pretty suprising how many words that weren't part of your vernacular


lol@ candlestick
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 10 2013 05:02 GMT
#54
On June 10 2013 08:05 Geiko wrote:
You seriously didn't know what "wooden" meant ?
Or did you just include that to see if anyone would actually read the whole list :p


3. without spirit, animation, or awareness.

nope! not in this context!
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
June 10 2013 05:18 GMT
#55
On June 10 2013 07:54 emythrel wrote:
you can find the word rhododendron in two Harry Potter books, don't ask me how I remember that lol

Yeah it's plant (common enough around here), which you can tell because of "dendron" --> treelike structure. I dunno what rhodo is though.

Everybody's obvious words and strange words are different! Only solution is to read more. :D
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
June 10 2013 07:11 GMT
#56
I think it might not be so much knowing a word as not having seen it used in that way. I imagine that the context clues would usually refer you to readily inferred categorical definitions for almost all the words in that list.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 10 2013 19:49 GMT
#57
On June 10 2013 16:11 Aerisky wrote:
I think it might not be so much knowing a word as not having seen it used in that way. I imagine that the context clues would usually refer you to readily inferred categorical definitions for almost all the words in that list.


yup that's a much better way to put it
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
June 11 2013 01:10 GMT
#58
Side conversation: ya, being called a gaijin for the past 2 years was pretty cute at first, but to be honest it did just start to get to me a little, at least when i thought about it. I still feel more rude calling some one a jap compared to a gaijin though.

About the list, i am way impressed you were not only willing to look all these up, but then to re-write them all up here for us, just to make me realize how little vocab i have. I have been hating myself recently becuase i have been noticing how poor my english vocabulary is, and this was the nail in the coffin.
Gotta start studying/reading more... (and then my japanese will take a nose dive)
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
Rayeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States883 Posts
June 11 2013 05:34 GMT
#59
On June 10 2013 14:02 thedeadhaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 08:05 Geiko wrote:
You seriously didn't know what "wooden" meant ?
Or did you just include that to see if anyone would actually read the whole list :p


3. without spirit, animation, or awareness.

nope! not in this context!


Something to think about when trying to decipher words is to break them into parts of them that I do know. Which can be difficult when starting out but once you figure out most of the prefixes and suffixes you can figure out a lot without a dictionary.

"Wooden", I would break into two parts, "Wood" and "-en" assuming we know what wood is, we are already a good portion of the way there. Now how do you get from 'wood' to 'without spirit or animation'? The suffix "-en" means "made of" Which would easily lead us to the first definition of wood. The rest of the definitions are why English is such a maddening language. Definitions 2,3, and 4 all take the first definition and apply it to something NOT made of wood, ie "a wooden gait" means someone walks with a very stiff step or a person with a "wooden face" would be without animation or not moving very much. It is easy to understand these things by saying "he walks like he was made of wood", or "his face looks like it is made of wood", or "he acts like he is made of wood" and then leave the understanding up to the reader to realize that wood does not have any facial animation or would look silly trying to walk, or is very boring to talk to. But since writers love using less words, 'wooden' can say all of that at once. You're describing how something seems to be made of wood, which implies that it has no animation, or is stiff, or that person is dull, etc. without having to say all of that.

Apologies if you already knew all of this and I sound like an idiot. I have no idea how obvious this sort of stuff is to non-native speakers. Being a native speaker makes it pretty hard to tell how much random context/structure I pick up on without even thinking about it.
The Innocent shall suffer... big time.
Jragon
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1471 Posts
June 11 2013 06:18 GMT
#60
On June 06 2013 13:24 kefkalives wrote:
Haji, Have you read Heart of Darkness? If not, Conrad was a pole, who spoke english as his 3rd(?) language. Some of the most complex english vocabulary in a novel i have ever read.


Vladimir Nabakov also writes beautiful English prose despite it not being his first language.

I remember having the most new words to learn with Stephen Donaldson's the Chronicles of Thomas Convenant, and gave up almost immediately on Canterbury Tales. It really does sap the enjoyment from reading if a certain rhythm and pace can't be maintained, the grasp of the book can never take hold before being disengaged by the dictionary.

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