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How can you decide to go pro when you're not even gm? Lol
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Keep your dedication up man, only way to make it.
I think most people will get what you mean, it's a common reason why people choose to play SC2 over LoL or other team-oriented games in the first place. (It's all about me, about my own personal flaws, and not about the teams weakest link.)
But I don't think your comparison is fair though. LoL is a game best enjoyed and at its most challenging when played with teams. You don't have to worry about trolls when you play with 4 friends who are as dedicated as you are. The game also instantly becomes more fun and challenging because suddenly you have 4 people to create strategies with and team comps. Of course, your opponents will be doing the same.
LoL, HoN, Dota, all become completely new games when you do 5v5s with teammates instead of SoloQ or Pubs. Seems like you didn't get to experience that which is a shame.
You did mention something though that originally started to put me off SC2 ages ago. Which is basically Blizzards incapability to balance the game properly. It's been better the past few months, but the first 2 years of SC2 was really frustrating. HoTS seems to be off to a decent start regarding this but I'm not holding my breath.
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LoL is pretty baller with friends... Triple mid with flanking solo lanes is gonna be the new meta..... eventually.....
:D
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I kinda went through the same. I played LoL for like 8 months exclusively, at first it seemed fun. But I eventually started to hate the game. so stressed out with trolls and idiots who fed - "mid or feed". I think the game fits to people who don't really care that much about winning and getting good at it. Also, how much time you need to invest in the game to get those ladder points. 40-50 minutes at lower levels.. gosh
I wish I never touched LoL, although I still kinda enjoy watching pro matches and think it's way better than DotA2 :D but SC2 ftw.
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I have to question your ability to go pro when you worry about your "bot lane feeding".
Professional LoL is played by teams, not in solo queue. And yes, those are two completely different things. Not even remotely comparable.
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On March 16 2013 13:49 rauk wrote:
How can you decide to go pro when you're not even gm? Lol
Ever heard of a goal? They are good to have.
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On March 16 2013 22:04 yokohama wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 13:49 rauk wrote:
How can you decide to go pro when you're not even gm? Lol Ever heard of a goal? They are good to have.
*realistic goals
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On March 16 2013 13:37 iGrepair wrote:
So I have switched back. I trained in LoL for about 6 months and played no SC2 in between I am now at a diamond level once again and steadily improving. I will go pro though and I am dedicated.
Leave your experiences with SC2 and LoL!
True Fighting!
sorry to break your dreams but it won't happen.
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On March 16 2013 22:30 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 13:37 iGrepair wrote:
So I have switched back. I trained in LoL for about 6 months and played no SC2 in between I am now at a diamond level once again and steadily improving. I will go pro though and I am dedicated.
Leave your experiences with SC2 and LoL!
True Fighting! sorry to break your dreams but it won't happen.
I think you're being a bit unfair. Sure it's very unlikely he'll get good enough to get picked up by a professional or even a decent team in the near future. But there's always the small chance that he'll make it, who knows?
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On March 16 2013 22:33 FreshVegetables wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:30 sAsImre wrote:On March 16 2013 13:37 iGrepair wrote:
So I have switched back. I trained in LoL for about 6 months and played no SC2 in between I am now at a diamond level once again and steadily improving. I will go pro though and I am dedicated.
Leave your experiences with SC2 and LoL!
True Fighting! sorry to break your dreams but it won't happen. I think you're being a bit unfair. Sure it's very unlikely he'll get good enough to get picked up by a professional or even a decent team in the near future. But there's always the small chance that he'll make it, who knows?
I sense delusional optimism, with phrases used like "LoL career", and "training sc2 pro". Sensible people don't make huge life decisions based on small chances.
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On March 16 2013 22:33 FreshVegetables wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:30 sAsImre wrote:On March 16 2013 13:37 iGrepair wrote:
So I have switched back. I trained in LoL for about 6 months and played no SC2 in between I am now at a diamond level once again and steadily improving. I will go pro though and I am dedicated.
Leave your experiences with SC2 and LoL!
True Fighting! sorry to break your dreams but it won't happen. I think you're being a bit unfair. Sure it's very unlikely he'll get good enough to get picked up by a professional or even a decent team in the near future. But there's always the small chance that he'll make it, who knows?
The thing is, the foreign scene doesn't have any benched pros. A lot of teams basically say, "IF you aren't GM before you sign up, without a ton of training beforehand, we don't want you, you can't hack it." He can make it if he trains, no pro was A+ on ICCUP when they started, but every player has a ceiling that they hit, just depends how high up the ceiling is. I have faith that he can "go pro" though I think we should change going pro from winning IEM or a GSL to participating in an open bracket and not losing the first round. Starting small and moving up is what would make him a pro, however unlikely.
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Doesnt matter what people say man. If you want to go pro just go for it. The best advice i can give you is to get mid-high master league, join a team that goes to alot of local lan parties, become so good that you just go on the run with the price money everytime...then slowly try to get into international tournaments and eventually you will get noticed by the big teams. GL HF. Stay dedicated, just always be sure you have something in real life as plan B if that doesnt work out.
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It honestly seems to me as if you're insecure about which game to play, and on the other hand you are dead set on becoming a "professional" gamer.
Progaming is an example of a passion career at its finest. You are much less likely to succeed if you are not deeply passionate about your game of choice, to the point where you do not question yourself on whether that is the right game for you. Moreover, to the point where your natural goal becomes excelling in that particular game rather than becoming a progamer.
Also Blizzard has nothing to do with your ability to win or lose in their game. They can only affect how much you enjoy it.
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On March 16 2013 23:22 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:33 FreshVegetables wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sAsImre wrote:On March 16 2013 13:37 iGrepair wrote:
So I have switched back. I trained in LoL for about 6 months and played no SC2 in between I am now at a diamond level once again and steadily improving. I will go pro though and I am dedicated.
Leave your experiences with SC2 and LoL!
True Fighting! sorry to break your dreams but it won't happen. I think you're being a bit unfair. Sure it's very unlikely he'll get good enough to get picked up by a professional or even a decent team in the near future. But there's always the small chance that he'll make it, who knows? I sense delusional optimism, with phrases used like "LoL career", and "training sc2 pro". Sensible people don't make huge life decisions based on small chances.
Not delusional optimism, all i'm saying is that it can happen. However I do agree that it is very unlikely, and probably not worth it to try to pursue a progaming career when he's only a diamond. The fact still is, people do win millions in lotteries and miracles do happen.
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On March 16 2013 22:30 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 13:37 iGrepair wrote:
So I have switched back. I trained in LoL for about 6 months and played no SC2 in between I am now at a diamond level once again and steadily improving. I will go pro though and I am dedicated.
Leave your experiences with SC2 and LoL!
True Fighting! sorry to break your dreams but it won't happen.
Now I am Masters Rank 2 SMD I wasn't some scrub to put it simply.
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I for one believe you have to take risks to be good at anything you love. Like I love E Sports and its what I want to be involved with for as long as possible. If you don't it will obviously never happen, always worth a shot.
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On March 16 2013 23:22 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 22:33 FreshVegetables wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sAsImre wrote:On March 16 2013 13:37 iGrepair wrote:
So I have switched back. I trained in LoL for about 6 months and played no SC2 in between I am now at a diamond level once again and steadily improving. I will go pro though and I am dedicated.
Leave your experiences with SC2 and LoL!
True Fighting! sorry to break your dreams but it won't happen. I think you're being a bit unfair. Sure it's very unlikely he'll get good enough to get picked up by a professional or even a decent team in the near future. But there's always the small chance that he'll make it, who knows? I sense delusional optimism, with phrases used like "LoL career", and "training sc2 pro". Sensible people don't make huge life decisions based on small chances.
You're the kind of person that just settles for a boring cubicle job that pays well because it's too hard/risky to actually chase your dreams, aren't you?
OP: Keep at it. If you have the drive, odds are that you can do it.
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You're the kind of person that just settles for a boring cubicle job that pays well
Actually that sounds pretty much like being pro in a 1on1 game inbetween lan events/big tourneys ^^
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On March 17 2013 01:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 23:22 biology]major wrote:On March 16 2013 22:33 FreshVegetables wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sAsImre wrote:On March 16 2013 13:37 iGrepair wrote:
So I have switched back. I trained in LoL for about 6 months and played no SC2 in between I am now at a diamond level once again and steadily improving. I will go pro though and I am dedicated.
Leave your experiences with SC2 and LoL!
True Fighting! sorry to break your dreams but it won't happen. I think you're being a bit unfair. Sure it's very unlikely he'll get good enough to get picked up by a professional or even a decent team in the near future. But there's always the small chance that he'll make it, who knows? I sense delusional optimism, with phrases used like "LoL career", and "training sc2 pro". Sensible people don't make huge life decisions based on small chances. You're the kind of person that just settles for a boring cubicle job that pays well because it's too hard/risky to actually chase your dreams, aren't you? OP: Keep at it. If you have the drive, odds are that you can do it.
Actually, odds are nowhere near that.
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"Of all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are: it might have been."
He won't regret failing as much as he would not trying at all.
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On March 17 2013 02:20 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 16 2013 23:22 biology]major wrote:On March 16 2013 22:33 FreshVegetables wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sAsImre wrote:On March 16 2013 13:37 iGrepair wrote:
So I have switched back. I trained in LoL for about 6 months and played no SC2 in between I am now at a diamond level once again and steadily improving. I will go pro though and I am dedicated.
Leave your experiences with SC2 and LoL!
True Fighting! sorry to break your dreams but it won't happen. I think you're being a bit unfair. Sure it's very unlikely he'll get good enough to get picked up by a professional or even a decent team in the near future. But there's always the small chance that he'll make it, who knows? I sense delusional optimism, with phrases used like "LoL career", and "training sc2 pro". Sensible people don't make huge life decisions based on small chances. You're the kind of person that just settles for a boring cubicle job that pays well because it's too hard/risky to actually chase your dreams, aren't you? OP: Keep at it. If you have the drive, odds are that you can do it. Actually, odds are nowhere near that.
yea they are, its the odds on having the drive that are pretty shitty
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On March 17 2013 04:11 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:20 Talin wrote:On March 17 2013 01:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 16 2013 23:22 biology]major wrote:On March 16 2013 22:33 FreshVegetables wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sAsImre wrote:On March 16 2013 13:37 iGrepair wrote:
So I have switched back. I trained in LoL for about 6 months and played no SC2 in between I am now at a diamond level once again and steadily improving. I will go pro though and I am dedicated.
Leave your experiences with SC2 and LoL!
True Fighting! sorry to break your dreams but it won't happen. I think you're being a bit unfair. Sure it's very unlikely he'll get good enough to get picked up by a professional or even a decent team in the near future. But there's always the small chance that he'll make it, who knows? I sense delusional optimism, with phrases used like "LoL career", and "training sc2 pro". Sensible people don't make huge life decisions based on small chances. You're the kind of person that just settles for a boring cubicle job that pays well because it's too hard/risky to actually chase your dreams, aren't you? OP: Keep at it. If you have the drive, odds are that you can do it. Actually, odds are nowhere near that. yea they are, its the odds on having the drive that are pretty shitty
Just look at this guy:
The best training conditions out of every foreigner ever since the beginning of SC2, yet barely remaining competitive due a lack of passion for a game he doesn't particularly enjoy. I hope HotS will turn that around.
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winning multiple major tournaments is barely remaining competitive?
imbecile
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On March 17 2013 05:08 IdrA wrote:
winning multiple major tournaments is barely remaining competitive?
imbecile
I was making the point that a lack of passion and enjoyment is detrimental to your results and performance in general.
Everyone knows you were arguably the best foreigner in 2010 and easily amongst the top 20 of 2011.
Yet, you've been very vocal about not liking the game and I think the last one and a half years have shown that.
No need to be rude, not that I expected anything else from you.
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On March 17 2013 04:11 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:20 Talin wrote:On March 17 2013 01:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On March 16 2013 23:22 biology]major wrote:On March 16 2013 22:33 FreshVegetables wrote:On March 16 2013 22:30 sAsImre wrote:On March 16 2013 13:37 iGrepair wrote:
So I have switched back. I trained in LoL for about 6 months and played no SC2 in between I am now at a diamond level once again and steadily improving. I will go pro though and I am dedicated.
Leave your experiences with SC2 and LoL!
True Fighting! sorry to break your dreams but it won't happen. I think you're being a bit unfair. Sure it's very unlikely he'll get good enough to get picked up by a professional or even a decent team in the near future. But there's always the small chance that he'll make it, who knows? I sense delusional optimism, with phrases used like "LoL career", and "training sc2 pro". Sensible people don't make huge life decisions based on small chances. You're the kind of person that just settles for a boring cubicle job that pays well because it's too hard/risky to actually chase your dreams, aren't you? OP: Keep at it. If you have the drive, odds are that you can do it. Actually, odds are nowhere near that. yea they are, its the odds on having the drive that are pretty shitty
A wild gracken has appeared! :O
Well, i think it is a very very hard journey to even go from a decent GM player to being a pro. And probably idra knows better about it then most of us (unless he was spawned pro?). You need to play the game all the time, even the days that you want to puke on the first starcraft related pixel you see. Its not like a 80s rocky training montage. But anyway, the way i look at it. Its never bad to try, especially in starcraft, it really sharpens your mind and helps with problem solving in real life, so its not a total waste.....like world of warcraft (sorry) :D
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On March 17 2013 05:08 IdrA wrote:
winning multiple major tournaments is barely remaining competitive?
imbecile
Is it harder to keep going and practicing when you're already an established pro?
What I mean is, you live in a pro-house, you're on one of the best teams around, and you get a good salary. Those are some milestones many lesser pro's can only dream of. You'd think if you just hit gm and trying to get your name out there would have more drive and more passion to practice harder?
I get the feeling that once you reach that level, and you can keep going at it with the same passion as before, is what makes you or breaks you in the end. I'm probably wrong though 
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On March 17 2013 05:40 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 05:08 IdrA wrote:
winning multiple major tournaments is barely remaining competitive?
imbecile I was making the point that a lack of passion and enjoyment is detrimental to your results and performance in general. Everyone knows you were arguably the best foreigner in 2010 and easily amongst the top 20 of 2011. Yet, you've been very vocal about not liking the game and I think the last one and a half years have shown that. No need to be rude, not that I expected anything else from you.
yeah because your tone was so polite
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On March 17 2013 09:28 FreshVegetables wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 05:08 IdrA wrote:
winning multiple major tournaments is barely remaining competitive?
imbecile Is it harder to keep going and practicing when you're already an established pro? What I mean is, you live in a pro-house, you're on one of the best teams around, and you get a good salary. Those are some milestones many lesser pro's can only dream of. You'd think if you just hit gm and trying to get your name out there would have more drive and more passion to practice harder? I get the feeling that once you reach that level, and you can keep going at it with the same passion as before, is what makes you or breaks you in the end. I'm probably wrong though
There is alot more to it then you make it sound (just speaking about athletes in general now). A good example is how often unkown athletes can get better results then those with a big name, because of the simple reason that there isnt as much at stake for these people. There is alot of pressure for those who have already established a name when everyone around you expects you to get good results, or even worse, when you are making a living from it. Its also the reason why i feel nobody has the right to crap on progamers when their results arnt what they used to be, because there is alot more to it then just practicing day in day out. And im pretty sure there are alot of other factors too besides competitive stress and the amount of practice.
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