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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On February 11 2013 05:03 BirdKiller wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 05:02 kollin wrote:On February 11 2013 04:55 Mementoss wrote:On February 11 2013 00:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote:
Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. its more physically demanding than Curling and that is an Olympic Sport. Hell no it isn't. I will be under the assumption that you have never tried curling, and definitely have never been a competitive curler. Matches are 2.5-3 hours each and in competition it isn't unusual to play 3 games a day. As a sweeper on the front end you basically working in 30 second spurts as hard as you can on and off for the whole game. Not the most physically demanding by any right, but still requires high level of fitness at a olympic level and a massive amount of skill and knowledge of the game. How can anything not be more physically demanding than sitting down using a keyboard and a mouse. Look at how Mvp destroyed himself, and Taeja is in the process of doing that. By that case, then we should consider competitive programming and hardcore web searching as being possibly a sport because they too induce wrist related injuries? One or few people getting physical injuries shouldn't validate whether a hobby or interest is considered a sport.
Those are not as intense and do not cause injuries as severe, nor as frequently, as is the case with competetive Starcraft. The two cannot be compared fairly.
The point is, if Chess is considered a sport then so should Starcraft - because they require much the same skillsets.
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They are transitioning right now from WoL to HotS.
It makes sense that there would be somewhat of a slow down right now. They have bigger things to worry about such as getting the game released and balanced, before they can worry about enhancing the eSports aspects. They even said they are going to be looking at the tournament results for balance, they need to get the balance in place before working on expanding majorly.
Besides, if you look at the info on their launch day events, they mention plans for eSports information to be announced soon. They haven't even announced the launch day event plans yet (it says "coming soon...") so let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Blizzard knows one of the only reasons SC2 is as successful as it is right now is the eSports support. Especially compared to their other recent releases...
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As was said, we are in a transition period.
Beyond that, it really doesn't matter what their level of involvement is in the pro scene while they intentionally sabotage it with expansions and reverting play back to WoL launch by adding new units that they intentionally keep overpowered as all hell to encourage their usage instead of scaling them initially to something sane and letting people add them in as needed.
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The OP forgot the 24 hour launch party that features one show match after another around the globe with top players and casters participating.
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these posts do not help at all.....hate seeing them pop up on the side!
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Playability should have less importance than watch ability. Sports today is all about the viewers - fantasy leagues, numbers, stats and TEAMs. Whatever videogames actually does this at a level that is "watchable" with sports center like highlights - wins!
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On February 11 2013 05:03 BirdKiller wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 05:02 kollin wrote:On February 11 2013 04:55 Mementoss wrote:On February 11 2013 00:44 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote:
Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. its more physically demanding than Curling and that is an Olympic Sport. Hell no it isn't. I will be under the assumption that you have never tried curling, and definitely have never been a competitive curler. Matches are 2.5-3 hours each and in competition it isn't unusual to play 3 games a day. As a sweeper on the front end you basically working in 30 second spurts as hard as you can on and off for the whole game. Not the most physically demanding by any right, but still requires high level of fitness at a olympic level and a massive amount of skill and knowledge of the game. How can anything not be more physically demanding than sitting down using a keyboard and a mouse. Look at how Mvp destroyed himself, and Taeja is in the process of doing that. By that case, then we should consider competitive programming and hardcore web searching as being possibly a sport because they too induce wrist related injuries? One or few people getting physical injuries shouldn't validate whether a hobby or interest is considered physically demanding.
If people competed in programming and web searching then yes they'd be a sport.
Competition + Physicality (I.E: Wrist injuries) = Sport. What's your actual point?
@Above: That's not entirely true only partially, LoL is doing really well as an E-sport despite being far, far less watchable to a casual viewer than sc2 (Compare lots of random coloured lights with no visible effects to Seeing a Tank shoot a marine.) just because of it's much larger player base. On the other hand, much less of the LoL playerbase watches any LoL at all, likely due to this low watchability I already described. So a mixture is very vital.
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@JimmyJRaynor, Thank you for telling us this, we really need people like you to point this things out, I mean where would we be as a community if you didn't make posts like this, think of the actual impact this will make on the community as whole. It's great and I think many others will thank you for the effort you put into the post. It's really awesome, i really mean it....NOT.
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This is one of the silliest things I've read in a while.
"No one has announced full plans yet, therefore nothing is happening."
For all we know WCS could stay the same or even be more expansive than last year, just the Grand Finals happening at Blizzcon instead of in China.
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I think TL might be one of the few places where you can make a claim, provide no evidence and expect other people to prove you wrong.
Yeah, its been 6 weeks and the way marketing works, they would announcing things closer or during the HotS release.
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On February 11 2013 20:44 Plansix wrote:
I think TL might be one of the few places where you can make a claim, provide no evidence and expect other people to prove you wrong.
Yeah, its been 6 weeks and the way marketing works, they would announcing things closer or during the HotS release.
say good bye to IPL.
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On February 22 2013 05:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 20:44 Plansix wrote:
I think TL might be one of the few places where you can make a claim, provide no evidence and expect other people to prove you wrong.
Yeah, its been 6 weeks and the way marketing works, they would announcing things closer or during the HotS release. say good bye to IPL.
It's getting sold, that doesn't mean it's dead. Also that is in no way relevant to what he said at all. Please do not state facts with no evidence at all, it ends up with you looking rather foolish.
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On February 11 2013 01:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 01:11 Torte de Lini wrote:
Rob Simpson may be the most iconic person within the E-Sports team of Blizzard, but he wasn't the main people running things.
To note, they just got a new directior and senior manager. They just don't announce who they are so openly.
This is a typical: "I don't know anything, so nothing must be happening" effect of thoughts. Additionally, development companies no longer making events does not mean scaling back support but rather means relying on those whose main job is to create amazing events.
Let's also not forget that they're working more on the release of HOTS and establishing tournaments switching over to that rather than focusing on some grand scheme of events.
Wait and see.
prize money will be substantially lower in 2013 than 2012. GOMTV has released its schedule. MLG has released nothing except a 32 player invite only thing. Shall I continue listing all the majors? "nothing" has already been happening for six weeks therefore nothing is happening.
That's a ridiculous connection to draw. The 1 tournament a month GSL thing was actually just silly. And most of these murky waters coincide with the release of HoTs. NASL has been growing, as has IPL, Dreamhack, IEM and now KesPa is involved too. The scene is bigger than it's ever been. I wouldn't call that failiure.
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On February 22 2013 05:21 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 05:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 20:44 Plansix wrote:
I think TL might be one of the few places where you can make a claim, provide no evidence and expect other people to prove you wrong.
Yeah, its been 6 weeks and the way marketing works, they would announcing things closer or during the HotS release. say good bye to IPL. It's getting sold, that doesn't mean it's dead. Also that is in no way relevant to what he said at all. Please do not state facts with no evidence at all, it ends up with you looking rather foolish.
I've stated my projections based upon the facts at hand.
I'm predicting fewer events and lower over all prize handouts for 2013 compared to 2012.
With direct money coming from Blizzard going down substantially.
Did i ever say there would be no more SC2 tournaments ever?
No, i did not.
The "roadmap" was all nice and laid out for 2012 and so far for 2013 all we know is that there is a Blizzcon in early November.
The public face of the "esports division" of Blizzard is a far lower profile than throughout 2011 and 2012.
Will some cash get handed out by Blizzard this year? yes.
Will it be any where near what it was in 2012? no it won't.
IPL is a black hole for money and its done like dinner. They are just trying to snake out of any contracts and agreements they've already signed on for...
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Is fewer events bad though? Arguably not. Even if prize pool money goes down, that's to be expected as SC2 now has to share the limelight with two other very successful games.
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On February 22 2013 07:29 kollin wrote:
Is fewer events bad though? Arguably not. Even if prize pool money goes down, that's to be expected as SC2 now has to share the limelight with two other very successful games.
when did i say any of this was "good" or "bad".
i'm not moralizing here.
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On February 22 2013 07:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 05:21 kollin wrote:On February 22 2013 05:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 20:44 Plansix wrote:
I think TL might be one of the few places where you can make a claim, provide no evidence and expect other people to prove you wrong.
Yeah, its been 6 weeks and the way marketing works, they would announcing things closer or during the HotS release. say good bye to IPL. It's getting sold, that doesn't mean it's dead. Also that is in no way relevant to what he said at all. Please do not state facts with no evidence at all, it ends up with you looking rather foolish. I've stated my projections based upon the facts at hand. I'm predicting fewer events and lower over all prize handouts for 2013 compared to 2012. With direct money coming from Blizzard going down substantially. Did i ever say there would be no more SC2 tournaments ever? No, i did not. The "roadmap" was all nice and laid out for 2012 and so far for 2013 all we know is that there is a Blizzcon in early November. Will some cash get handed out by Blizzard this year? yes. Will it be any where near what it was in 2012? no it won't. IPL is a black hole for money and its done like dinner.
Nothing you have said can be described as "projections" its just wild speculation, further I can't believe you bumped up this blog by pointing out that IPL is being sold and link that to that SC2 is dying considering that IPL consists of multiple game titles and not just SC2, and if SC2 was "dying" they simply would drop it and focus on the other games they have, like lol. Even the link between profit and IPL can be questioned since at least a part of the reason behind IPL was to market IGN's online game presence and awareness in hopes of drawing more users to their main IGN website and generate more revenue that way without necessarily making any profit from IPL directly.
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On February 22 2013 07:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 07:29 kollin wrote:
Is fewer events bad though? Arguably not. Even if prize pool money goes down, that's to be expected as SC2 now has to share the limelight with two other very successful games. when did i say any of this was "good" or "bad". i'm not moralizing here.
'The Great Blizzard Esports Experiment has Failed
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On February 22 2013 07:45 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 07:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 22 2013 07:29 kollin wrote:
Is fewer events bad though? Arguably not. Even if prize pool money goes down, that's to be expected as SC2 now has to share the limelight with two other very successful games. when did i say any of this was "good" or "bad". i'm not moralizing here. 'The Great Blizzard Esports Experiment has Failed
which is an amoral state of affairs.
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