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On February 22 2013 05:21 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2013 05:19 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 20:44 Plansix wrote:
I think TL might be one of the few places where you can make a claim, provide no evidence and expect other people to prove you wrong.
Yeah, its been 6 weeks and the way marketing works, they would announcing things closer or during the HotS release. say good bye to IPL. It's getting sold, that doesn't mean it's dead. Also that is in no way relevant to what he said at all. Please do not state facts with no evidence at all, it ends up with you looking rather foolish.
IPL looks pretty dead to me.
Having no prizes and posting videos on YOutube.com is a far cry from the promised 4 giant live events in Las Vegas and 100K SC2 prize pools.
it exists as an advertisement for IGN... the name is IGN Pro League.
take that away from it
and no live events
.. and really you have nothing.
OFFICIAL DISCLAIMER: this does not mean that SC2 is dying. Blizzard has made hundreds of millions of dollars making SC1 and SC2 and will continue to make money off of the STarcraft franchise for the foreseeable future. HotS pricing structures indicate Blizzard is making exactly what they were expecting to make off of WoL.
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Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D
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On April 03 2013 13:59 blade55555 wrote:
Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D
Beat me to the punch.
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On February 11 2013 01:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 01:28 FlaShFTW wrote:On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote:
Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. someone does not understand what a sport is. starcraft > chess > curling. and look which one is in the olympics. (smirk) Curling absolutely 100% deserves to be in the Olympics.
Not trying to argue your point, but who does determine what is deserving of being a olympic diciple? Starcraft is more demanding / straining to your body and mind. Why is it not worthy of being a olympic diciple?
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On April 03 2013 15:31 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 01:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 11 2013 01:28 FlaShFTW wrote:On February 11 2013 00:40 kafkaesque wrote:
Could we please stop calling it "sports"? It's competitive, it's challenging, it's as proper as a hobby as you can get, but for the love of god, it's no fucking sport. someone does not understand what a sport is. starcraft > chess > curling. and look which one is in the olympics. (smirk) Curling absolutely 100% deserves to be in the Olympics. Not trying to argue your point, but who does determine what is deserving of being a olympic diciple? Starcraft is more demanding / straining to your body and mind. Why is it not worthy of being a olympic diciple?
Yeah it's an ultimately pointless conversation. The Olympic committee (or whatever decides what sports are included) is pretty independent of our opinions anyway. There are some really weird/random sports in there because there are powerful groups that are interested in them or what have you, wrestling is out, etc.
Nice bump though 
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I feel extremely satisfied about this blog.
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On April 03 2013 13:59 blade55555 wrote:
Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D
I just remember this as work, but you got to it first Blad55555. So Blizzard gave up to the tune of 1.6 million?
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On April 03 2013 13:59 blade55555 wrote:
Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D
Was about to bump this as well and ask him how he thinks his "highly accurate" predictions are working so far  .
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On April 04 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 13:59 blade55555 wrote:
Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D I just remember this as work, but you got to it first Blad55555. So Blizzard gave up to the tune of 1.6 million?
No, Blizzard refuses to reveal where the money is coming from.
So Blizzard did not "give up to the tune of 1.6 million".
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/04/04/blizzards-starcraft-2-wcs-2013-explained-by-company-ceo-mike-morhaime/
We are definitely seeing far fewer events.
GomTV customers are getting less events than they expected for the annual ticket they bought.
which is unfortunate.
as far as money goes.. so far this year we are behind the 2012 prize money levels.
with Blizzard folding in the WCS with a bunch of major MLG and ESL events it'll be interesting to see if the over all prize money for 2013 is higher or lower by years end. So for 2013 ESL, MLG and WCS money is all being pooled together to make up the 1.6 million.
3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012.
you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013?
i don't.
so what i said still stands.
less events.
lower over all prize money for 2013 compared to 2012.
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This blog is delicious now.
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On April 05 2013 10:26 Ryalnos wrote:
This blog is delicious now.
3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012.
you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013?
i don't.
so what i said still stands.
less events.
lower over all prize money for 2013 compared to 2012.
great PR job by Blizzard though.
that "bigger than the NHL" thing in PCGamer.com is great stuff!
the NHL has a players union of over 600 members where the minimum pay is half a million a year. dozens in its memebership are on guaranteed contracts paying more than 40 million dollars.
the NHL has 20 to 40 "live events" every week where 15,000+ people pay $20-$1000 to watch a 3 hour event.
it just ain't even close. but it sounds great.
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Jesus Christ you are delusional.
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On April 05 2013 10:34 kollin wrote:
Jesus Christ you are delusional.
saying Starcraft is bigger than the NHL is delusional.
we are still behind 2012 in prize money.
what new event is going to arrive on the horizon ?
NASL IPL?
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You repeat the same points over and over, despite the fact they have no relevancy to the overall point you're trying to get across.
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On April 05 2013 10:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:On April 03 2013 13:59 blade55555 wrote:
Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D I just remember this as work, but you got to it first Blad55555. So Blizzard gave up to the tune of 1.6 million? No, Blizzard refuses to reveal where the money is coming from. So Blizzard did not "give up to the tune of 1.6 million". http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/04/04/blizzards-starcraft-2-wcs-2013-explained-by-company-ceo-mike-morhaime/We are definitely seeing far fewer events. GomTV customers are getting less events than they expected for the annual ticket they bought. which is unfortunate. as far as money goes.. so far this year we are behind the 2012 prize money levels. with Blizzard folding in the WCS with a bunch of major MLG and ESL events it'll be interesting to see if the over all prize money for 2013 is higher or lower by years end. So for 2013 ESL, MLG and WCS money is all being pooled together to make up the 1.6 million. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. so what i said still stands. less events. lower over all prize money for 2013 compared to 2012.
This is irrelevant since it's pretty easy to see that the major events had to be postponed due to the re-organization of the sc2 tournament ecosystem and that the total prize pool that you are so obsessed with will increase this year as well. And besides that you are as wrong as you can be regarding blizzard "Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports". They have not scaled back and they are anything but quiet.
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lol so cute. Why can people not admit they were wrong but instead try to change the point they were trying to make.
You said Blizzard was pretty much throwing in the towel. Not other companies, tournament organizers ect. Blizzard. Blizzard just came out with their strongest support to date of sc2 and you fall back on numbers that are irrelevant and have nothing to do with your original point.
Your pride is ridiculous to the point of saying you were still right after all this.
"Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports."
"Although Blizzard's support will be scaled back compared to what we saw in the past two and a half years they will still support many SC2 events."
I might have been mistaken but I thought you were talking about Blizzard this whole time.
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Honestly,
I rather have about 10-20 less tournaments and focus on three or four major leagues than have a shitload of events left and right but with no stability. The best way, in my opinion, to generate a stable system is by first scaling down to the point where everything has a meaning in terms of tournaments. Sure, we may see less prize money, and it will be harder to get into the top end, but please don't forget that by having a very stable core, we can lay down a framework to grow the whole scene.
Yes, the prize money will be lower perhaps. We might even see less tournaments of a major status. However, the thing is that we'll have the opportunity to create an actual structure. Call KeSPA what you like, but you can't deny that they put down a rock solid competitive system in Korea. Don't be pessimistic about each little change, just because you're not looking past the events of the next month. Your arguments are flawed and you're too afraid to admit that you might be wrong.
Discussions like this hurt the community more than any company with a respectable record and a staff like Blizzard would be able to do to their own product.
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On April 05 2013 14:13 OmniEulogy wrote:
lol so cute. Why can people not admit they were wrong but instead try to change the point they were trying to make.
You said Blizzard was pretty much throwing in the towel. Not other companies, tournament organizers ect. Blizzard. Blizzard just came out with their strongest support to date of sc2 and you fall back on numbers that are irrelevant and have nothing to do with your original point.
Your pride is ridiculous to the point of saying you were still right after all this.
"Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports."
"Although Blizzard's support will be scaled back compared to what we saw in the past two and a half years they will still support many SC2 events."
I might have been mistaken but I thought you were talking about Blizzard this whole time.
yes JimmyRaynor probably should not speak for awhile after getting trolled by Blizzard's announcement. And BTW Raynor 1.6 million in prizes from OSL, GSL, MLG, Dreamhack, IEM, Proleague..........should be easy enough. Reading the Blizzard announcement makes in seem as though the guaranteed money they will put up will be for the WCS finals...
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On April 05 2013 11:14 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 10:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 04 2013 04:02 Plansix wrote:On April 03 2013 13:59 blade55555 wrote:
Damn man so you still think blizzard gave up? Just had to bump this after all your negativity towards blizzard/esports/etc :D I just remember this as work, but you got to it first Blad55555. So Blizzard gave up to the tune of 1.6 million? No, Blizzard refuses to reveal where the money is coming from. So Blizzard did not "give up to the tune of 1.6 million". http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/04/04/blizzards-starcraft-2-wcs-2013-explained-by-company-ceo-mike-morhaime/We are definitely seeing far fewer events. GomTV customers are getting less events than they expected for the annual ticket they bought. which is unfortunate. as far as money goes.. so far this year we are behind the 2012 prize money levels. with Blizzard folding in the WCS with a bunch of major MLG and ESL events it'll be interesting to see if the over all prize money for 2013 is higher or lower by years end. So for 2013 ESL, MLG and WCS money is all being pooled together to make up the 1.6 million. 3.25 million in total was handed out in 2012. you think all the other events outside of WCS will add up to 1.7 million in 2013? i don't. so what i said still stands. less events. lower over all prize money for 2013 compared to 2012. This is irrelevant since it's pretty easy to see that the major events had to be postponed due to the re-organization of the sc2 tournament ecosystem and that the total prize pool that you are so obsessed with will increase this year as well. And besides that you are as wrong as you can be regarding blizzard "Blizzard has quietly and substantially scaled back their support of SC2 eSports". They have not scaled back and they are anything but quiet.
Blizzard will do the best they can to spin anything negative.
So its great that they are saying "Starcraft is bigger than the NHL", but it doesn't stand up when it comes to player payment.
i dont see any kind of real number from you.
i predicted a lower prize pool for 2013.
so what your saying is a lot of talk with nothing to back it up.
so we are going to say what ? $10 million in prizes award? $20 million?
On April 05 2013 10:41 kollin wrote:
You repeat the same points over and over, despite the fact they have no relevancy to the overall point you're trying to get across.
i predicted a lower prize pool for 2013 ..
this is the truest measure of BLizzard's support because Blizzard is intricately 'partnered" with all the major event holders.
the biggest problem players face today is no money.
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Where did Blizzard say they are bigger than NHL? Also, read the title of this fucking blog. Now read the first line. Now please for the love of god admit you were incorrect and Blizzard did not give up in esports.
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