EPTIs KeSPA's Proleague too cheap? - Page 3
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haduken
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a9arnn
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RiceAgainst
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blade55555
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On December 27 2012 14:25 a9arnn wrote: Man it's so cheap, I would easily pay $50 for it and that would probably be super worth it even! If I can no longer have my Nevake/Jon747, then I guess I'll have to watch VODs on Twitch ><. I wanna watch ZerO, and since he hasn't qualified for GSL yet, this is where I'll have to watch his matches, along with all the other sick players :D!!~! The vods are uploaded on the esportstv youtube channel that you can watch for free. Should still pay though 5$ is so cheap  | ||
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Torte de Lini
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On December 27 2012 14:44 blade55555 wrote: The vods are uploaded on the esportstv youtube channel that you can watch for free. Should still pay though 5$ is so cheap They're losing half their market if they don't upload it on Tudou for China. On December 27 2012 14:38 RiceAgainst wrote: Yeah, Proleague does seem cheap to me. I like my HD and all, but it's not even true HD since they're not OBSing the game itself, and the current OBSing isn't that good (YET! I heard OBS were legends themselves, can't wait until they get better). The prize pool is great, though it is for about a yearlong season (or is it 8 months?). Casting could do a great deal of work, as much as I love SNM for translating. Cheap doesn't mean its prestigious. Should raise prices so its equal to how we should view KeSPA and its leagues of amazing players. On December 27 2012 14:25 a9arnn wrote: Man it's so cheap, I would easily pay $50 for it and that would probably be super worth it even! If I can no longer have my Nevake/Jon747, then I guess I'll have to watch VODs on Twitch ><. I wanna watch ZerO, and since he hasn't qualified for GSL yet, this is where I'll have to watch his matches, along with all the other sick players :D!!~! Hm, you propose paying 50, that's a multiple of 10. I support your number! On December 27 2012 14:24 haduken wrote: It depends on what market they are focusing on. $5 for America/Euro is obviously very low however for most of Asian countries, I don't know if anyone would pay any more than that... If they tell US people to pay 537 wong, then they will think it is a lot and will watch KeSPA because they paid so much for it. | ||
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Aerisky
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TheEmulator
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On December 27 2012 15:52 Aerisky wrote: Yeah I think it's really hard to say. There's the idea of making it so cheap that anyone will want to buy in (e.g. this is how SK's music industry is, with a long-term music subscription fee that's ridiculously cheap so that there's little piracy), but when there aren't that many adopters and it's just so cheap, it's hard to do great things with such little capital :X I agree, I dunno how KeSPA survived so long with Brood War without the foreigner-base to really sustain their business. BW was pirated a lot by foreigners. On December 27 2012 15:54 TheEmulator wrote: I think it is a little cheap. But I won't complain, haha You should, it's the right thing to do as paying customers. | ||
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OptimusYale
Korea (South)1005 Posts
We also have to remember that they get sponsorships from large companies to put on the proleague. Maybe as sponsorship runs dry, they will see us as a way to sustain their business model, but until then I can imagine it staying dirt cheap. I still think that foreign companies should be looking at sponsoring Korean teams/leagues as that is the highest prestige of progaming, and their names would be associated with the prestige of the tournament. I'm still unsure as to why companies like LG (korean side) and Microsoft (US) haven't sponsored proleagues. Maybe it's just not worth it for their nieche, and maybe LG isn't allowed to sponsor as samsung own a significant stake in KESPA. Look at the LOL OGN broadcasts, which are sponsored by olympus. That is a big sponsor, that hits home and foregin markets. But is the foreign viewership the same for LoL? I don't think so, as most the spectators of LoL are more concerned about their home pro's then watching the best of the best. I'd like to see numbers of foreign viewers for SC2 compared to LoL, and see if companies like Olympus, like Nikon, like Pioneer, would be better sponsoring SC2 for international markets instead of LoL. | ||
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Aerisky
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On December 27 2012 16:04 OptimusYale wrote: I still think that foreign companies should be looking at sponsoring Korean teams/leagues as that is the highest prestige of progaming, and their names would be associated with the prestige of the tournament. Agreed! There should be more foreign companies who sponsor Korean teams! Although they aren't exposed to the largest events in the foreign world, that association should be enough of a return for major companies to be satisfied. StarCraft II leagues and teams are very prestigious to companies like Microsoft. Maybe not Apple, they're a pretty big company. But Microsoft already plays in Day [9]'s Afterhours league, that means they are very much StarCraft fans and should support those big teams! On December 27 2012 16:08 Aerisky wrote: @TDL: well conventionally, paying customers won't complain about things being too cheap. As conscientious consumers whose knowledge goes beyond just that of purchasing power, we might protest a price being too low. Otherwise, however, people will tend to be more willing to buy something when it's cheap than when it's more expensive... I mean, first-year economics demand curves are essentially downsloping with price on the y-axis and quantity demanded on the x-axis, because one can more or less generalize about this type of consumer behavior. Very rarely will someone refuse to buy anything because it's too cheap. Whenever I compare products, I always buy the more expensive. As a 23-year old experienced and veteran grocery store consumer, the more expensive apply by the pound or the more recognized brand with the highest pricetag means it is also the highest quality. If we compare GSL to KeSPA, I think we can clearly see GSL is simply better in terms of branding as well as pricetag. On December 27 2012 16:21 ShadeR wrote: They're playing SC2. There is no prestige. Obviously with the price of 5$, cheaper than a movie :/ | ||
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On December 27 2012 16:51 Aerisky wrote: Well, I suppose that's one way to look at it, and my opinion isn't exactly qualified or anything, but I'm still of the opinion that jacking up prices won't give it significant artificial prestige.You might say that now, but at least as far as I can see, if they scaled up the price to match or exceed MLG's prices, people would be calling kespa greedy and generally trashing the pricetag as ridiculous. Just my 2 cents. I think they'd see how irrelevant MLG is and only buy KeSPA. This will cause MLG to further chase after Korean players to further their own brand and level of matches and increase interest as well as Korean exposure for sponsors. The foreign scene may die, but that's because they don't have the same work ethic as Koreans, it's their fault. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On December 27 2012 10:05 Torte de Lini wrote: I pay 10 for other stuff, I would have paid 20 for those stuff too. I'm guessing multiples of 5 or 10-digit prices are strong persuaders for purchases. I believe its called end digit bias where people are more likely to use multiples of 5s  | ||
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NotoriousBig
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deathgod6
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VManOfMana
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On December 27 2012 16:00 Torte de Lini wrote: I agree, I dunno how KeSPA survived so long with Brood War without the foreigner-base to really sustain their business. BW was pirated a lot by foreigners. You should, it's the right thing to do as paying customers. Because broadcast is traditionally "free" (cable TV), and financial support does not depend mainly on tournament prizes nor viewer subscriptions. KeSPA can sell Proleague for cheap because their core market is still Korea. The $5 subscription is a nice but not essential extra income, and the low price allows to reach more potential viewers (let's face it, kids on the internet are CHEAP). The KeSPA scene developed very different and has a very different economic model. By measuring the KeSPA scene using GSL metrics, you are essentially comparing apples to oranges. | ||
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