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Bahku
Profile Joined August 2012
United States182 Posts
November 05 2012 12:44 GMT
#21
I wonder how well a chess GM would do if he got diamond-level mechanics in SC2... You guys think he'd be able to steamroll everyone on tactical strategy alone?
sephiria
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
106 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 14:58:21
November 05 2012 14:57 GMT
#22
I think you should try to change your approach to chess.
Chess is not so much a game of attack, but rather a game of defense and positioning. Blitzkrieg doesn't work. When I started playing I focussed on defense. Just try not to lose anything without an at least even exchange. If you've got the initiative be cautious. It's better to not win outright because you played cautious than losing because you had no patience.
One of my friends (about 2200 real life elo) said everyone below 1500 kills himself anyway, no need to do anything risky to win.

nice blog, will definitely have a look again
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 15:00:55
November 05 2012 14:59 GMT
#23
On November 05 2012 21:44 Bahku wrote:
I wonder how well a chess GM would do if he got diamond-level mechanics in SC2... You guys think he'd be able to steamroll everyone on tactical strategy alone?


Nope. Firstly, I doubt that's even possible for anyone: MVP with diamond-level mechanics would get creamed imo. Secondly, Chess and SC2 really are very different games. A Chess GM would probably be able to learn SC2 strategy quickly, and would have the mindset of training hard, but still. Hell, look at Kespa players. They took months to cross over, and they already had professional-level RTS mechanics AND were transitioning to a game with huge similarities. I'd say a diamond-level mechanics chess GM who wanted to go pro in SC2 has a better chance than most Masters players, but it would be more due to his mindset and work ethic than anything else. I don't think the best strategy in the world could let you beat pros with diamond mechanics very often.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
MrF
Profile Joined October 2011
United States320 Posts
November 05 2012 16:04 GMT
#24
Is the word your looking for dedication?
HunterXHunter is awesome
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
November 05 2012 17:28 GMT
#25
@hp.Shell
Thanks, I'll learn that.

@Spazer
I didn't know that, I will do all the next blogs like that.

@GolemMadness
I think the mental hurdle for new Starcraft players is greater than the mechanical one. I personally went from the depths of bronze to the top of diamond on strategy and macro, my apm in high diamond was 20-30. I'm going to be playing simple games in chess first, before I learn complicated games.

@lazyitachi
One of my practice partners in chess says the same thing to me. I just feel cramped when I make efforts to develop middling pieces.

@Bahku
I'm pretty sure I saw a blog or reddit post wherein a chess master decided to learn starcraft, I assume he failed because I haven't read anything since.

@sephiria
I will make it work.

@MrF
Not even close.

@Anyone who suggested moves, I'm at school right now so I can't actually check the game. I will try to reply to these posts later today or tomorrow.
lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
November 06 2012 02:26 GMT
#26
wtf... 20 - 30 apm!?!? HOW?


Anyway, suggest you take a look at some popular openings and see how to develop your pieces.

Strong moves like knight at the center behind pawns, controlling open diagonals with bishops and ranks with rooks are always good principles to go by if you are just winging it.


Also you can read up on some principles in pawn structure. Double pawn, unsupported pawn, passed pawn etc etc... If you think your endgame is strong, it is good to try to exchange pieces while maintaining a better pawn structure to force mistake/ value inefficient trade from opponent.
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
November 06 2012 06:53 GMT
#27
Queens are too strong for my own good.
http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=392156233
http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=392149158
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
November 06 2012 08:31 GMT
#28
In that first game, you missed a mating combination on turn 15.

15...Bd2+
16. Kd1 Bh6+
17. Ke1 Qd2++
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lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 11:18:36
November 06 2012 11:06 GMT
#29
Not sure at this point if you are trolling to draw or for real.............

If not... you REALLY should work on mating moves


Game 2:
15 NG5+ for queen fork
Poopfeast
Profile Joined September 2010
160 Posts
November 06 2012 14:38 GMT
#30
http://www.chess.com/computer-workout/?sortby=difficulty_easy&showme=all&category=basic_mates

Practice these and you should never stalemate like this again.
Stream http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Poopfeast
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
November 06 2012 22:13 GMT
#31
On November 06 2012 15:53 Thaniri wrote:
Queens are too strong for my own good.
http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=392156233
http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=392149158

Well, you learn from your mistakes, right? Now that you've stalemated like this a couple of times when you were ahead, it really shouldn't happen again. When you're close to a win and you're about to make a move, ask yourself in your head, "Am I about to throw it all away?" If you just learn to become more careful, and think about the consequences of every move, you'll definitely see an improvement in your game. Good positional understanding and deeper knowledge such as this won't help you much if you still throws games with blunders.

Don't worry, making mistakes such as these is necessary...to remember them and to never make them again.
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
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