• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:43
CET 22:43
KST 06:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13
StarCraft 2
General
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win SC2 Proleague Discontinued; SKT, KT, SGK, CJ disband
Tourneys
RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Foreign Brood War Data analysis on 70 million replays BW General Discussion MBCGame Torrents
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile ZeroSpace Megathread The Perfect Game
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
Physical Exertion During Gam…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1668 users

Chess V - Page 2

Blogs > Thaniri
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Bahku
Profile Joined August 2012
United States182 Posts
November 05 2012 12:44 GMT
#21
I wonder how well a chess GM would do if he got diamond-level mechanics in SC2... You guys think he'd be able to steamroll everyone on tactical strategy alone?
sephiria
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
106 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 14:58:21
November 05 2012 14:57 GMT
#22
I think you should try to change your approach to chess.
Chess is not so much a game of attack, but rather a game of defense and positioning. Blitzkrieg doesn't work. When I started playing I focussed on defense. Just try not to lose anything without an at least even exchange. If you've got the initiative be cautious. It's better to not win outright because you played cautious than losing because you had no patience.
One of my friends (about 2200 real life elo) said everyone below 1500 kills himself anyway, no need to do anything risky to win.

nice blog, will definitely have a look again
Salivanth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 15:00:55
November 05 2012 14:59 GMT
#23
On November 05 2012 21:44 Bahku wrote:
I wonder how well a chess GM would do if he got diamond-level mechanics in SC2... You guys think he'd be able to steamroll everyone on tactical strategy alone?


Nope. Firstly, I doubt that's even possible for anyone: MVP with diamond-level mechanics would get creamed imo. Secondly, Chess and SC2 really are very different games. A Chess GM would probably be able to learn SC2 strategy quickly, and would have the mindset of training hard, but still. Hell, look at Kespa players. They took months to cross over, and they already had professional-level RTS mechanics AND were transitioning to a game with huge similarities. I'd say a diamond-level mechanics chess GM who wanted to go pro in SC2 has a better chance than most Masters players, but it would be more due to his mindset and work ethic than anything else. I don't think the best strategy in the world could let you beat pros with diamond mechanics very often.
<@Wikt> so you are one of those nega-fans <@Wikt> that hates the company that makes a game and everything they stand for <@Wikt> but still plays the game <@Wikt> (like roughly 30% of blizzard's player base, maybe much more...)
MrF
Profile Joined October 2011
United States320 Posts
November 05 2012 16:04 GMT
#24
Is the word your looking for dedication?
HunterXHunter is awesome
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
November 05 2012 17:28 GMT
#25
@hp.Shell
Thanks, I'll learn that.

@Spazer
I didn't know that, I will do all the next blogs like that.

@GolemMadness
I think the mental hurdle for new Starcraft players is greater than the mechanical one. I personally went from the depths of bronze to the top of diamond on strategy and macro, my apm in high diamond was 20-30. I'm going to be playing simple games in chess first, before I learn complicated games.

@lazyitachi
One of my practice partners in chess says the same thing to me. I just feel cramped when I make efforts to develop middling pieces.

@Bahku
I'm pretty sure I saw a blog or reddit post wherein a chess master decided to learn starcraft, I assume he failed because I haven't read anything since.

@sephiria
I will make it work.

@MrF
Not even close.

@Anyone who suggested moves, I'm at school right now so I can't actually check the game. I will try to reply to these posts later today or tomorrow.
lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
November 06 2012 02:26 GMT
#26
wtf... 20 - 30 apm!?!? HOW?


Anyway, suggest you take a look at some popular openings and see how to develop your pieces.

Strong moves like knight at the center behind pawns, controlling open diagonals with bishops and ranks with rooks are always good principles to go by if you are just winging it.


Also you can read up on some principles in pawn structure. Double pawn, unsupported pawn, passed pawn etc etc... If you think your endgame is strong, it is good to try to exchange pieces while maintaining a better pawn structure to force mistake/ value inefficient trade from opponent.
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
November 06 2012 06:53 GMT
#27
Queens are too strong for my own good.
http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=392156233
http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=392149158
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8032 Posts
November 06 2012 08:31 GMT
#28
In that first game, you missed a mating combination on turn 15.

15...Bd2+
16. Kd1 Bh6+
17. Ke1 Qd2++
Liquipedia
lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 11:18:36
November 06 2012 11:06 GMT
#29
Not sure at this point if you are trolling to draw or for real.............

If not... you REALLY should work on mating moves


Game 2:
15 NG5+ for queen fork
Poopfeast
Profile Joined September 2010
160 Posts
November 06 2012 14:38 GMT
#30
http://www.chess.com/computer-workout/?sortby=difficulty_easy&showme=all&category=basic_mates

Practice these and you should never stalemate like this again.
Stream http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Poopfeast
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
November 06 2012 22:13 GMT
#31
On November 06 2012 15:53 Thaniri wrote:
Queens are too strong for my own good.
http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=392156233
http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=392149158

Well, you learn from your mistakes, right? Now that you've stalemated like this a couple of times when you were ahead, it really shouldn't happen again. When you're close to a win and you're about to make a move, ask yourself in your head, "Am I about to throw it all away?" If you just learn to become more careful, and think about the consequences of every move, you'll definitely see an improvement in your game. Good positional understanding and deeper knowledge such as this won't help you much if you still throws games with blunders.

Don't worry, making mistakes such as these is necessary...to remember them and to never make them again.
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL 21
20:00
RO16: Group A
Sziky vs OyAji
Gypsy vs eOnzErG
ZZZero.O359
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Liquid`TLO 340
White-Ra 227
CosmosSc2 79
Nathanias 56
DisKSc2 45
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 496
ZZZero.O 359
Dewaltoss 108
NaDa 11
Dota 2
Fuzer 450
Counter-Strike
fl0m5200
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King58
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor259
Other Games
Grubby6808
Mlord705
Beastyqt505
RotterdaM363
Liquid`Hasu279
DeMusliM162
XaKoH 107
Trikslyr65
Livibee43
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV1366
gamesdonequick724
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 61
• davetesta20
• Reevou 6
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 11
• Michael_bg 6
• Pr0nogo 1
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler175
Other Games
• imaqtpie1826
• Shiphtur194
• tFFMrPink 17
Upcoming Events
OSC
17m
Solar vs Creator
ByuN vs Gerald
Percival vs Babymarine
Moja vs Krystianer
EnDerr vs ForJumy
sebesdes vs Nicoract
Sparkling Tuna Cup
12h 17m
WardiTV 2025
14h 17m
OSC
17h 17m
IPSL
19h 17m
Bonyth vs KameZerg
BSL 21
22h 17m
Bonyth vs StRyKeR
Tarson vs Dandy
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Wardi Open
1d 14h
StarCraft2.fi
1d 18h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 19h
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV 2025
2 days
StarCraft2.fi
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
StarCraft2.fi
3 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV 2025
4 days
StarCraft2.fi
4 days
WardiTV 2025
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Sziky vs JDConan
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-12-04
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
Acropolis #4 - TS3
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
Light HT
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.