i think the #1 factor in SC2's future success is the employees working at Blizzard making the game.

this negativity and rage by hard core game video game players is nothing new.
as a group they spend too much time indoors smashing away at their keyboards and are chronically depressed.

Also, this whirlwind of positive and negative commentary about an evolving game ( WoL evolving into HotS ) is all part of the "Chaos" or "Blizzard" software development cycle.
Hence, the name of the company.

Let the angry, depressed ragers ... "ramble on" ... they are irrelevant and powerless.

xsnac

Barbados1365 Posts

October 22 2012 15:33 GMT

#82

less whine more play . if you dont play dont even talk . if you are a pro go suggest stuff cuz u know stuff better then most of guys that post on bnet forums .ppl should stop looking always back in time for awnsers . seriously every1 that is looking @ sc:bw or sc:wol for awnsers have a deficit of creativity .

zyce

United States649 Posts

October 22 2012 15:37 GMT

#83

Very thoughtful of you Doa, thanks for posting this.

bigAL

United States49 Posts

October 22 2012 15:45 GMT

#84

Cheers.

I really appreciate the members of the community trying to calm everybody down.

DoA Hwaiting!!!!!!!!!!

Snuggles

United States1865 Posts

October 22 2012 15:57 GMT

#85

I still feel that the anger towards Blizzard is justified. Sure we should take a chill pill but they gotta step their game up and let us know that they're doing, properly.

Suikakuju

Germany238 Posts

October 22 2012 16:10 GMT

#86

On October 22 2012 01:57 Glurkenspurk wrote:
Being overly positive and nice only makes it easier for people to walk all over you. Sometimes you need to get angry and start yelling to get shit done.

We tried being nice and Blizz has not done anything to help fix obvious issues with their game.

This!
We are all nice and polite and tell Blizzard what we want, while Blizzards takes our money and gives a fuck.
Well Blizzard died for me with release of D3. I mean Jay Wilson is in position to tell me (Who bought their Game) whats fun and what isn´t.

So in my oppinion SC2 is a step back compared to BW and I just can´t understand why ( Except the money for sure, which is quite a good reason don´t you think?)

vOdToasT

Sweden2870 Posts

October 22 2012 16:14 GMT

#87

On October 23 2012 00:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

this negativity and rage by hard core game video game players is nothing new.
as a group they spend too much time indoors smashing away at their keyboards and are chronically depressed.

Maybe I think SC2 is a boring game because... it's boring to me?
I'm a "hard core" gamer, but I don't have a negative attitude towards all games. Only games I don't like, such as SC2.

One thing that is silly, however, is people who play SC2 and still whine about how bad it is (which it is). If you chose to be a professional SC2 player, deal with it bro. That is the job you chose. If you don't like it, go to school and then get another job.

The same thing goes for the players. If you think SC2 is a shitty ass game (like I do) just quit and play another RTS.

JieXian

Malaysia4677 Posts

October 22 2012 16:48 GMT

#88

On October 22 2012 14:50 Zocat wrote:
I think it's always fun to imagine that Dustin Browser, David Kim or any other designer in the SC2 team reads the TL/reddit/Blizzard forums and goes "Oh noez that was a meany! I'll ignore his input!".

Even if Blizzard is having an employee searching through forums and gathering feedback for a higher up designer, do you really believe on the designer's desk there will be document saying:
"You should do X, or I will not buy your game."
"You should do X, I really love the game!"
and not just a document saying:
"X - how often was it mentioned: a lot"

And then they'll add in more rocks anyways hahaha

Seriously, I was about to write something like this. In the end it'll all just end up as "data" from the community that's collected in bullet points.

And nice guy would more probably buy their game even if it sucks just to "support esports"

Serimek

France2274 Posts

October 22 2012 16:54 GMT

#89

DoA's clever.

Polygamy

Austria1114 Posts

October 22 2012 16:59 GMT

#90

Whatever... The game is not as fun to play as BW and no where near as fun to watch as BW. If the game stays around or not is not even the concern, the issue is that the game has low entertainment value.

Edit: look how Valve treats the DOTA community... that's a company that cares about it's customers and the quality of their product... I say this not because I think DOTA is a great game but because Valve is a great company, think if they owned SC2?

Nuclease

United States1049 Posts

October 22 2012 17:02 GMT

#91

Here here, DoA.

Areon

United States273 Posts

October 22 2012 17:23 GMT

#92

Thing is, Blizzard isn't a weary traveler walking down the road. Blizzard is more like a military tank division that time and again has presented as an unwavering, unfeeling entity that generally doesn't give a shit about anything besides money. Can't really blame the community for feeling passionate about this and frustratingly unheard; Blizz should really make more attempts to show how they are openly responding to the community and reading shit people say, which they have been getting better at recently.

pedduck

Thailand468 Posts

October 22 2012 17:25 GMT

#93

I agreed with everything you say... until they release Diablo3. I am not cool with releasing half finished game anymore.
Anyway, I will try to keep your word in mind.

TyrionSC2

United States411 Posts

October 22 2012 17:45 GMT

#94

Yeah I agree DoA. It's pretty disguisting to see pro players talk about the game this way. It actually turns me away from it.

k1w1

United States22 Posts

October 22 2012 17:53 GMT

#95

it's frustrating for the players when there are so many ideas out there on what things could be improved from progamers, casters and the community and Blizzard doesn't really acknowledge anything. there are plenty of great suggestions out there on how to improve game play, from basic things like 'PvZ late game is boring and ends up with the same unit comp every time', to in depth analysis and 'research' like Liquid`Tyler's discussion on Carrier Micro and Day9's dialogue about Widow Mines being IMBA.

It would be nice if blizzard hired a couple new PR/Game Developers to basically be a bridge between the community and blizzard dev's and be overall more transparent about game changes. They could easily see what topics are trending in terms of wanting/needing fixes and it could be an outlet to give people answers, because at the end of the day if they can talk about the ideas behind the decision making then it gives everyone an opportunity for more constructive criticism. But when you're confronted with a closed door you can only peacefully ask the person on the other side to open it before you start screaming and becoming negative.

yaxv

Denmark50 Posts

October 22 2012 19:10 GMT

#96

Hi DoA, just wanted to say your post is a great initiative for the SC2 community to think a little bit more carefully how things should be said. Being a SC2 fan myself I am also aware of the "threat" from LoL but it is indeed destructive to hear so much complaints about the game.

I think Blizzard is in a situation where they've gotten a lot of feedbacks from the community, but don't really know which one is the best to follow w.r.t. making the game entertaining and fun to play for a long time. I'm sure they are also aware of LoL's growing popularity but don't really know how to respond to this.

One nice think about LoL is that you can easily jump into other people's matches and follow the games. That might be something Blizzard should look into.

Whoever wrote Blizzard has bad programmers above should document his/hers statement. :-P

RsECommander

Netherlands15 Posts

October 22 2012 19:12 GMT

#97

On October 22 2012 01:55 sabas123 wrote:
it's great that you point this out doa.

there are exetly SO many people who yust don't get it. which is kinda sad. but sometimes bad things ARE needed to froce change.

one tip for you: go to school and start learning english

mathemagician1986

Germany549 Posts

October 22 2012 19:16 GMT

#98

I've never had the feeling that Blizzard doesn't listen to the SC2 community. Au contraire, I think them taking out warhounds was a panic reaction to the overzealous mob screaming "IMBA!!!!!".

Blizzard should just let the game balance itself. It worked for broodwar.

Sabu113

United States11094 Posts

October 22 2012 19:51 GMT

#99

On October 23 2012 04:16 mathemagician1986 wrote:
I've never had the feeling that Blizzard doesn't listen to the SC2 community. Au contraire, I think them taking out warhounds was a panic reaction to the overzealous mob screaming "IMBA!!!!!".

Blizzard should just let the game balance itself. It worked for broodwar.

The warhound was a terrible terrible unit. How does something that mobile make for interesting game play? Just the very idea around it was insane. It seems like the recent defense of it is more of an instinctual response to defend SCII than a thoughout response.

WoL is a mediocre successor with serious problems. Everyone has bleated on and on about how the expansions were going to fix xyz and that hasn't happened. Now every one of these threads defending bliz sound like a kid yelling SHHH to hide a secret from the teacher.