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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
October 11 2012 03:03 GMT
#1
I'm baaaaaack.

After a year and 7 day break from these Ladder Blogs, I figured that since I've been laddering for quite a bit, might as well start these up again.

Aside from when I randomly got the urge to try out a random strategy I saw from a pro game and failing miserably, I haven't been playing much Starcraft for the past year until around a month ago. Since then, I don't know why, but I've been playing pretty regularly. Now, because I had basically quit for a period of about ten months, I had to play my placements again last season and got into platinum. After some games I got into diamond but then I got lazy and stopped playing and ended that season in Diamond. Then this season I finally got my ass together and played a long string of games going 19-2 (capped with a 13 game win streak) to get back into masters. Finally.

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Totally not a brag blog

I didn't particularly have a pro build I was copying but I've felt really good and things seem to be clicking for me. I have no idea what the state of the metagame is but I'm just doing what feels nice and it works.

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As of the moment, about 70% of all the Terrans I'm playing seem to be going for mech. And I can do pretty well against I feel. My opening build is
  • 13 scout
  • 16 hatch
  • 18 pool

Quite often, I scout a command centre first. I have no idea if this is even economically efficient but I've come to make a third hatch before pool at 18 supply followed by a pool at 17 and then an overlord at 16. I only make two queens but it's been working out so far. BW mentality setting in I guess, though in BW, you wouldn't scout the 14 cc before going 3 hatch before pool.

Anyway, I'm not exactly sure what gas timing I should do. I generally get double gas somewhere between 5-6 minutes but I find that a single gas just to get ling speed against hellions works too, followed by more gas geysers later. I try to go with only speedlings in the early game and they're really versatile against pretty much any opening Terran does.

Once I get lair, I love my mutalisks. Fast, manouverable, and I can attack in two different locations in conjunction with my zerglings. Now, if they're going mech, it's pretty simple. If I haven't expanded to my third because of hellions, I'd probably have droned up a ton. Clean up the hellions with the mutas if I haven't done so already, double or even triple expand, then delay him with mutalisks while my expansions set up and mass up roaches. If he makes a bunch of turrets, try to poke holes while feeling secure in the fact that he invested a huge ton of money in turrets and can't attack. Then just smash his head in with a blunt hammer of roaches.

Now, I feel that most players are incompetent while playing mech. I recently saw a stream of Liquid'Sea playing (HE LEFT TEAM 8 BUT I STILL LUV HIM) and he just crushed this poor Zerg with a giant mech ball. Unfortunately I only saw the tail end of the game and most of my games, I've won before this stage but I imagine he harasses and stops Zerg from droning up hard. So far, not a problem. I feel that bio's a lot harder to deal with but banelings and zerglings seem to deal with it okay.


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Zerg vs. Protoss, I'm feeling great, but haven't had many chances to play. General gameplan, stephano build but less push-focused and more economy-based. Reinforce with Zerglings and mutalisks and threaten counterattacks. If I feel I can't push with my initial roaches I just expand and hold back waiting for counterattacks. Now the problem with roaches with counterattacks is that they're not expendable and you need a good bunch of them to deal damage to buildings properly. So if he comes back and kills the roaches, I'm pretty screwed unless I can get another counterattack force up in time. And base races are pretty easy since it's simpler for me to get drones out than it is for him to get probes out (lings can chase down probes, I have more expansions spread out so I can sneak units out more easily).

  • 15 pool
  • 16 hatch (I send out two drones, one to his expo. If he pylon blocks and probe harasses me like hell, I pop a hatchery down on his natural.
  • Continue Stephano 11 min attack style


In the late game, I'm learning how to use Broodlords. Before, I've always preferred ultralisks but I'm starting to feel their limits because of immortals kill them so easily. Broodlords are soooooo slow but definitely pretty good if I position them properly. That's something I still need to work on, along with infestor control. Basically, the late-game's my biggest problem. Getting there, not so much.


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This is the matchup I had the most trouble with before, but I found that I have a nice little setup now. 15 gas, 15 pool, pull drones when 100 gas and get speed. I don't save larva for zerglings unless I spot any enemy zerglings coming with my overlord. I just drone as much as possible and then get a couple of lings when my pool is done. Expo at nat, then my build diverges.

If he goes pool first like me, then I just make a few lings to compensate for how behind I am since I didn't save larvae, then just get a roach warren and restart my gas mining, playing reactively to the oppponent. If he expands, then try to harass with zerglings, if he attacks, hold with roaches.

If the opponent 16 hatched, then he'll usually have zerglings before I can get there since I didn't save larva. With my initial pair of lings, I'll just wander around his base but I'll get a set of eight or ten timed with my larva inject and ling speed. I can usually do a bunch of damage with that and/or make him paranoid about all-ins. While that happens, I get a roach warren and retreat with the lings if possible. I make a few roaches to guard for a counterattack, but if there isn't one, I'll just push to in front of his natural with the lings and roaches and pull back, forcing him to make a bunch of defense.

I get lair when I feel like it (I should come up with a better timing) and get spire first. Once I start it, I'll switch to zergling production and go attack his third if he's started one while starting my own, and counterattacking if he attacks at all. Once my spire's done, same deal. I like to consider my decision-making my strong point so I can generally pull ahead with this tactic. I only make an initial round of mutalisks and switch to infestor/roach. I've been learning how to get better with infestors but I try to go to ultralisks asap.

I've found that ultralisks pretty much can only deal with roaches if they have a bunch of infestor support to hold them in place. Before, I've tried pure ultralisks and the roaches can just kite too well. Ultra-infestor works really well though. By then, I've usually secured an advantage and just a-move to the win.


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Is my record so far. Pretty nice but I'm sure it'll even out soon enough. Might as well write about my hotkeys right now anyway.

My hands are tiny so I switch around my control groups a bit. Q, W, and Y are set as control groups. 1 is my main hatchery, 2 is my natural, W is my third, 3 is my fourth, 4, 5 and 6 are my units and Y are all my hatcheries together. I set Q a while ago but never really began to use it. And btw, I shifted around my non-control group hotkeys as well but it's a bit complicated to get into.

Hopefully, I'll start hitting grandmasters soon and actually running into trouble. Thanks for reading.
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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
October 11 2012 03:48 GMT
#2
It's sc2: the less you play, the better you are! Soon you'll start losing because you've played too much.
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
October 12 2012 03:42 GMT
#3
It's weird how true that is. Man, I should start playing Brood War again.
tarpman
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada723 Posts
October 12 2012 03:56 GMT
#4
On October 12 2012 12:42 neobowman wrote:
It's weird how true that is. Man, I should start playing Brood War again.

I had that feeling recently. It ended up being a lot of fun! Come find me on IRC if you decide you want a game!
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