• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:58
CET 10:58
KST 18:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT29Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice6Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza1Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0258
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Vitality disbanding their sc2-team Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10 Flash's ASL S21 & Future Plans Announcement BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifier #1 - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile PC Games Sales Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Mexico's Drug War US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Gaming-Related Deaths
TrAiDoS
ONE GREAT AMERICAN MARINE…
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1908 users

Ladder Blog #7

Blogs > neobowman
Post a Reply
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
July 22 2011 02:38 GMT
#1
So I'm doing pretty bad on ladder. Dropped to rank 10 masters before climbing back up to 8. In point terms, dropped from like 1.85k to 1.75. I know I can get further if I ladder some more but I got depressed and stopped for a while.

Instead of matchup specifics, I want to talk about some refinement I've been doing with a build order and comparisons. To be specific, my 11 pool opening. I first heard about this on I think a Mr.Bitter streaming session. I wasn't sure which way it went but I experimented and found what I liked, and started to go for it on ladder. I liked it a lot and seemed to be fine. You get a lot of drones fast, as well as the queen, and in case some sort of cannon rush comes, you can deal with it really easily.

The build I went for is:

10 - extractor
9 - drone
10 - cancel extractor
11 - pool
10 -extractor
9 - drone
10 - cancel extractor
11 - overlord
11 - 3 drones

So a few days ago, I was watching some Day9 VODs since I had nothing else to do, then came across Destiny vs Bomber. I heard Day9 saying "He's doing 11 pool. Very interesting build" or something along those lines. I thought to myself, hey, he's doing my build too. Nice.

Yesterday though, while watching Friendsday Wednesday on the Daily, I found that Destiny's build is actually completely different from mine. His build is:

10 - extractor
9 - drone
10 - cancel extractor
11 - overlord
11 - pool

I was curious about this build and tried it myself one game on ladder. It didn't feel any different but I decided to go and test it myself before I brought myself to a conclusion.

Earlier, I tested my own 11 pool opening against 15 hatch, and it fared pretty well. I thought it was fine so I kept on using it. This time, I tested in the same way, taking different points in the game and how fast I got to them with both builds, and also a final 3:30 count of everything. Everything is noted down in game time.

Pool finishes
Destiny's build- 2:40
My build- 2:25

Natural Expo started
Destiny's build- 3:04
My build- 3:25

Queen finishes
Destiny's build- 3:30
My build- 3:17

3:30 mark for Destiny's build
-14 drones
-2 zerglings
-1 queen
-2 overlords

-2 zerglings in production
-1 overlord in production
-1 hatchery in production

3:30mark for my build
-14 drones
-4 lings
-1 queen
-3 overlords

-1 drone in production
-1 hatchery in production

In conclusion, I found that Destiny gets his hatch 20 seconds earlier than mine, but in all other aspects, I'm either equal or slightly ahead. The earlier hatch isn't really economically significant, since saturation isn't full on both bases either way. The only reason it would be important is in getting spine crawlers down on the creep for an early rush or so. A plausible situation, but not for the majority of games.

I'll be continuing to ladder when I get back from my trip that I leave on tomorrow .

Blog #1
Blog #2
Blog #3
Blog #4
Blog #5
Blog #6

****
Iphimedeia
Profile Joined May 2011
Hong Kong50 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 03:44:31
July 22 2011 03:44 GMT
#2
destiny's build is actually really good if you want to fe because you can get lings to scout and stuff as well to as defend so its really safe and really good :D
"Every shooting star has a shadow - If you want the rainbow you have to put up with the rain" :)
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
July 22 2011 04:27 GMT
#3
Keep improving, and who knows? You could perhaps hit GM in Season 3.
UnitedKronos
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
139 Posts
July 24 2011 15:10 GMT
#4
I use Destiny's build in my ZvP and ZvT matchups, works awesomely :D:D
Oh hai. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 155
Livibee 101
Tasteless 52
Rex 40
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 58333
Britney 41507
Jaedong 1521
PianO 474
Mong 186
ToSsGirL 169
Dewaltoss 138
Nal_rA 47
GoRush 28
Terrorterran 14
[ Show more ]
Purpose 11
Dota 2
Gorgc237
NeuroSwarm106
League of Legends
JimRising 473
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K994
Other Games
m0e_tv675
singsing556
C9.Mang0263
Fuzer 210
Mew2King89
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream8551
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream1508
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1461
• Jankos1338
• Stunt499
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
2m
RSL Revival
2m
Reynor vs Zoun
herO vs sOs
Tasteless52
Rex40
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2h 2m
Classic vs Rogue
Solar vs Gerald
Bunny vs Nicoract
ByuN vs Zoun
herO vs Clem
MaxPax vs Cure
AI Arena Tournament
10h 2m
Patches Events
13h 2m
Replay Cast
14h 2m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d
RSL Revival
1d
Classic vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Cham
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 2h
OSC
1d 2h
[ Show More ]
BSL
1d 10h
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Replay Cast
1d 23h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-05
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
RSL Revival: Season 4
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
NationLESS Cup
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.