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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 12:30:57
September 07 2012 01:07 GMT
#1
Since my computer seizes up everytime I try to make a video, so you'll have to do with some old fashion battle reports of some of the games I've had on the ladder.

vs YoonYJ - or why you shouldn't hellion expand


The map is Akilon Wastes, which is a two player map using a new desert texture (which, imo, looks like the unused Helios texture from WoL Beta). I spawn in the bottom right and open with my new go to vT,vP opening - the 15/15 gas with 2 workers in each. I find that this opening gives you enough gas for Mothership Core while staying reasonably close to the standard timings on a regular 1gate expand. YoonYJ spawns in the top left, and is going for a gas first build. With factory play so strong at the moment, this can only mean that he is planning to go for a factory play.

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I continue with my build - Stalker/Warp as soon as core finishes with a chrono on each, and then add my mothership core at 26/26 while my pylon finishes (mothership core takes no supply, which is nice). From this point on I will be more or less making stalkers non stop and rallying them to my opponents base. YoonYJ meanwhile has added a factory and switched a reactor to it to begin building hellions. He also has started his expansion.

My first stalker arrives and greets two hellions, it is able to kill off one before a second stalker arrives. YYJ retreats with his lone hellion to grab his two fresh hellions. Meanwhile my stalkers have killed off the building SCV on the CC. YYJ converts one of his hellions into a battle mode and surprisingly, it is easy to kite with stalkers.

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It is easily picked off. But YYJ has a marauder en route, and the marauder and hellion are able to kill one of my stalkers. But by now another stalker has arrived and I'm able to kill off the marauder and beat back YYJ's army.

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Seeing as he can't get his expo up, and probably a tiny bit frustrated to how the game is unfolding, YYJ ggs. The influx of mech builds means that Stalker harass is somewhat viable, like goon vs Terran wall was in BW. Even one gate stalker pressure can mess up a hellion first player.

EDIT: Played a game against SKTrain (dno if it's a smurf, didn't seem like it) and when I did this build vs his Terran he simply ran his hellions past. It was very effective. Then again, he wasn't hellion expanding, rather hellion/marauder pressure, but its something that I need to factor in in future.


vs White-Ra - or PPPPvP - Plexa's Purifier Push PvP


Silly names aside, this game kinda illustrates why the mothership core should be stationary. The map is Korhal City (which has a dumb ramp) and I spawn at 12 and White-Ra at 9. Korhal City is unique in that it has an inbase natural (similar to Katrina, for you BW old timers), so I expected White-Ra to play an economic game. Knowing that he is the far better player, I decided to try out my experimental purifier push that I had been thinking up.

I open up with a 12 gate, gas/gas build like I discussed above, while White-Ra did a 1 gas build but had all his building at his ramp; another indication that he wanted to play macro. Indeed, he went for a 22 nexus while I went for a 3 stalker build - both of us got our Mothership Cores at around 26 supply. We both went up to 3 gates, but I added a twilight council for blink. Once my core popped, Instantly I sent my core towards Ra's base, while he kept his at home for defense. Ra also added a Robotics Facility.

Finally, my Core had reached Ra's base and with the help of a near by pylon, I had a nice big army ready to launch the attack. Both of our Cores went into Purifier mode and the battle commenced.

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I just had too many units.

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While the purifier is slow, given favourable positions, it can reach the enemies base around the time a normal attack would be hitting. This evens out the playing field in the battle (since both of you have cores) and once again makes pvp look a bit silly. Whether or not this will be standard or not, I'm not sure, but initial testing suggests that there might be something here.


vs PainUser - or how quickly mech can win a game

PvT is without doubt my worst matchup, and well, PainUsers TvP is bad as well - so this game wasn't going to end pretty. The map is Korhal City (same as vs White-Ra) and I spawn at 9 while PainUser spawns at 3. PainUser opens up with a 15CC while I go for the same build as always - pylon-gate-gas-gas, but since he 15CC'd I got my nexus before rallying stalkers. PainUser decided to play a mech style but opened with hellions, which gave my stalkers a window to harass.

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But because of a bad rally, my stalkers are late and my stalker pressure starts to be pushed back. Nevertheless, I do about as much as I can but lose all my stalkers in the process. Oh well. In this time PainUser has gotten his third orbital up, but hasn't floated it to a base yet and has gotten two armories for upgrades (which are awesome for mech). Meanwhile I have gone into DT tech - the reason for that is that DTs are surprisingly good against mech at the moment (cheap archons + map control + nice to mix into your army).

PainUser tried to set up some mines for defense, so I had to sacrifice a stalker to get rid of all the mines to make a path for my DTs. I split them into his main and the bottom right (where his third would be flying to). They did moderate damage before being killed off, but did delay PainUsers third by a bit which gave me time to get my own up in a more respectable time.

We decided upon our armies compositions - for me it would be chargelot/archon with DTs for surprise, and for PainUser it would be warhound/battle hellion with widow mines scattered about. A big difference between us was that I only got double forge by the time PainUser was at 1-1 and halfway to 2-2 - this would come back to haunt me. We both got our fourths and began to mix in immortals and tanks respectively. PainUser also started to do some minor harass with a medivac/warhounds.

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As PainUser's 2-2 finished and we both approached 200/200, I added in some colossus because well, they're good. And PainUser added in Thors for himself, probably to tank as well as be safe from any potential air. We both moved out around maxed and our armies met in the middle of the map:

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My position was bad, and I didn't have the ability to remax so I lost a lot more from this battle than PainUser did.

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Now that PainUser had the upper hand, he continued his push towards my base. Meanwhile, I had taken at base at 12, hoping it wouldn't be seen. PainUser split his army so that he could as many places as possible at once, but as 2-2 had just finished for me, this meant I was able to take out the biggest portion of his army while cleaning up the smaller bits - but not without taking a big hit to my probe count. (DTs really helped, I love them)

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But with an economic lead, a massive bank, and map control PainUser could do whatever he wanted. So he set up a siege line in the middle of the map while trying to take out my base at 12 with hellions. Some defensive warpins stopped that, and also prevented PainUser from expanding to 12, which was nice.

PainUser kept pushing forward with his mostly tank army, and it was clear there wasn't much I could do. He took out my fourth base then retreated so that he could meet up with his brand new BCs in the middle of the map. Once I saw his unified army, I knew there was no hope and tapped out.

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After losing the center fight and being down economically, there was no way I could have won this game gg wp


Closing thoughts:
My 1gate stalker rally build gets crushed by Warhound first builds, I have a good illustration of that for anyone that is interested. I will refine it a bit more and see if it is viable against them. Sorry that there wasn't any zerg games in this batch, there just weren't any interesting ones except for a semi-rushed Swarm Host build. Next batch I'll try to include more Zerg, and a good game against a Terran played a few hours ago. Here's a bit of a preview of that game:

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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 07 2012 01:29 GMT
#2
Another fantastic write-up, thanks for sharing!! :D

Following HotS is fun, looking forward to getting it one day, and hoping we'll be able to work out all the kinks and make it a exciting, fun, and generally awesome expansion
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Jragon
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1471 Posts
September 07 2012 01:29 GMT
#3
I'm a sucker for old-school BRs, thanks Plexa
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
September 07 2012 01:38 GMT
#4
On September 07 2012 10:29 Jragon wrote:
I'm a sucker for old-school BRs, thanks Plexa

Same. Nice BR.
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
September 07 2012 01:41 GMT
#5
On September 07 2012 10:29 Jragon wrote:
I'm a sucker for old-school BRs, thanks Plexa

Word. Thanks ^^
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13399 Posts
September 07 2012 01:46 GMT
#6
That was a good read. Thanks for the BRs
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Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
September 07 2012 03:04 GMT
#7
Use your powers to get me a damn beta key.

AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
September 07 2012 03:11 GMT
#8
Wow. The beta must be really small for you to be fighting White-Ra.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 07 2012 03:27 GMT
#9
On September 07 2012 12:11 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Wow. The beta must be really small for you to be fighting White-Ra.

Well I got GM today, so yes, the beta must be really small lol

(not sarcasm)
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GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
September 07 2012 03:49 GMT
#10
White-Ra is in EU and PainUser is in NA?

Global Play!?!
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 07 2012 04:35 GMT
#11
On September 07 2012 12:49 GinDo wrote:
White-Ra is in EU and PainUser is in NA?

Global Play!?!

Beta is in NA, everyone has been invited there.
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MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
September 07 2012 05:01 GMT
#12
Cool title :D Reports from the frontline.

The battle hellions look so damn good. Blizzard give me a pm if you want me to play this game. JUST SAYING
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 07 2012 05:56 GMT
#13
Love the thing at the end there.

Great write-up I'm such a sucker for Battle reports >.<
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 07 2012 06:22 GMT
#14
Thanks for the writeup Plexa!
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
September 07 2012 06:37 GMT
#15
Yeah, it's tiny. I've played Zenio and Sheth. And I'm super low masters WoL @.@
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 07 2012 07:27 GMT
#16
On September 07 2012 15:37 Froadac wrote:
Yeah, it's tiny. I've played Zenio and Sheth. And I'm super low masters WoL @.@

It almost seems they are doing it more for pr reasons at this point. Or are most blizzard this small in the beginning?
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9568 Posts
September 07 2012 07:57 GMT
#17
I love battle reports! =D
Reminds me of the days very few people could see live BW OLS/MSL games and Tl did battle reports on them a few days later ^_^
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-07 11:04:49
September 07 2012 11:04 GMT
#18
Maybe you should go for a zeal+stalker, stalker rally to pressure against the common fast fact builds?

Nice write ups.

Kind of getting into the already developing metagame. ^^
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mahkan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States153 Posts
September 07 2012 13:46 GMT
#19
Very nice write up Plexa. Continue doing more battle reports.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
September 07 2012 13:59 GMT
#20
blargh this makes me want a beta key even more :<
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 07 2012 14:52 GMT
#21
have you try out some sort of 1 base VR pressure vs T in this match up? i think with the appearance on oracle, you no longer need to rush for a robo to counter banshee therefore VR build are definitely stronger in HoTS current meta game.
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BongChambers
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada591 Posts
September 07 2012 15:04 GMT
#22
So pretty much Plexa > everyone.

Awesome reports man! I really like the PPPPvP, giving me lots of ideas to follow up on my PvP.
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BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
September 07 2012 18:54 GMT
#23
subtle brag on beating White-Ra
j/k, was a nice read, can we expect more of those? would be nice
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 07 2012 20:52 GMT
#24
On September 08 2012 00:04 BongChambers wrote:
So pretty much Plexa > everyone.

Awesome reports man! I really like the PPPPvP, giving me lots of ideas to follow up on my PvP.

Super positional dependent, I tried rushing purifier against Zerg (with 4gate support) and it was pretty hit and miss.

And hey, Painuser killed me

On September 07 2012 23:52 NB wrote:
have you try out some sort of 1 base VR pressure vs T in this match up? i think with the appearance on oracle, you no longer need to rush for a robo to counter banshee therefore VR build are definitely stronger in HoTS current meta game.

Yes I've been playing around with VR based builds. There's probably something there but at the moment my builds have too many hole in them to be viable.
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
September 07 2012 21:21 GMT
#25
Nice write up! Very nice for those without beta keys TT
But that aside, keep up the good work, very interested in how the beta turns out
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5256 Posts
September 07 2012 22:16 GMT
#26
Haha, PVP purifier rush looks awesome
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NoctemSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States771 Posts
September 07 2012 22:38 GMT
#27
Awesome Battle Report Plexa, thanks for this.
I was watching Gretorp play PvT ladder vs ROOTDrewbie and Drewbie basically went Mass Warhound into Warhound/Battle cruiser. The composition looked extremely easy to pull off. Have you encountered this yet in PvT?
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 07 2012 22:42 GMT
#28
On September 08 2012 07:38 NoctemSC wrote:
Awesome Battle Report Plexa, thanks for this.
I was watching Gretorp play PvT ladder vs ROOTDrewbie and Drewbie basically went Mass Warhound into Warhound/Battle cruiser. The composition looked extremely easy to pull off. Have you encountered this yet in PvT?

No, mostly Warhound/Marine or Warhound/Hellion - warhound+anything seems to be awesome.
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papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 08:51:51
September 08 2012 08:50 GMT
#29
About the hardened shield not being triggered by widow mine. It's not a bug, David Kim commented on this:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5207845423#3

edit: posted in wrong thread
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 08 2012 12:18 GMT
#30
On September 08 2012 17:50 papaz wrote:
About the hardened shield not being triggered by widow mine. It's not a bug, David Kim commented on this:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5207845423#3

edit: posted in wrong thread

Just because its not a bug doesn't mean its not stupid :D
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StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
September 08 2012 17:10 GMT
#31
You know, I actually like the old fashioned battle report. Thanks for the write up!
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polystyrene
Profile Joined October 2011
United States7 Posts
September 08 2012 19:28 GMT
#32
Nice read. It'll be interesting to see how the mothership core ends up fitting into PvP
Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
September 08 2012 21:22 GMT
#33
On September 08 2012 21:18 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 17:50 papaz wrote:
About the hardened shield not being triggered by widow mine. It's not a bug, David Kim commented on this:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5207845423#3

edit: posted in wrong thread

Just because its not a bug doesn't mean its not stupid :D


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PainUser
Profile Joined May 2009
United States206 Posts
September 10 2012 02:46 GMT
#34
My TvP has been working just fine in HotS thank you very much
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 10 2012 06:19 GMT
#35
On September 10 2012 11:46 PainUser wrote:
My TvP has been working just fine in HotS thank you very much

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torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
September 10 2012 12:29 GMT
#36
c'mon plexa, this deserved a news page :D
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UndoneJin
Profile Joined February 2011
United States438 Posts
September 10 2012 15:49 GMT
#37
Gotta love good ol' battle reports. Always interesting Plex
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