EPTTL;DR: Don't be like me, don't be biased against a game you haven't played yet, you could be really missing out!
Shit, League of Legends is way more fun atm.
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IMoperator
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TL;DR: Don't be like me, don't be biased against a game you haven't played yet, you could be really missing out! | ||
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relyt
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blade55555
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intense555
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kamkerx
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IMoperator
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On June 19 2012 15:53 blade55555 wrote: Hm I tried it and hated it, but always good to see you can enjoy other games. I have never been a fan of hero type games so I wasn't surprised I found myself hating it I thought I wasn't a fan of them either lol, but when I started playing it just sucked me in. I'm kinda sad because I wanted to eventually become high masters/gm on SC2, but I'd much more rather spend my time having fun with friends than churning out game after game trying to get better. Maybe I'll come back for HotS or something, but atm it's all LoL. | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
 but to each his own. glad you're having fun. And be sure to try out dota once it is released! | ||
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IMoperator
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On June 19 2012 15:55 kamkerx wrote: i dont know if im allowed to say this or if it makes sense but even if lol is more fun than sc2. sc2>lol I do think SC2 is the better game overall, the skill ceiling in it is just insane. It's really cool to watch pros play SC2 because you can see their insane mechanics and realize that you'll most likely never be as good as them. But for just raw fun, LoL wins out. | ||
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stupidhydro
United States216 Posts
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dGHaiL
United States177 Posts
I get pissed when I go on a losing streak in SC2, but I don't ever rage quite like I did when I played LoL. One idiotic teammate and it's pretty much game over. It only compounds on itself when that idiot is yelling at you in a language you don't speak. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On June 19 2012 15:57 Fishgle wrote: LoL is an extremely fun game, no doubt about it. And this is coming from someone who has 1000 hours of dota2 played already. LoL is awesome, especially when queuing with friends. it's a great experience, that mostly doesnt bother itself with nerve-wracking competition like sc 1v1 does. What turned me away, however, was the pay-to-win aspect, and the constant balance patches that change the meta game much too drastically. aaaand i'm a grognard and prefer dota but to each his own. glad you're having fun. And be sure to try out dota once it is released! There is no pay to win in LoL. That's the entire premise of a competitive F2P game's success (read Riot Gaming). You buy cosmetics or conveniences only. And yes, I agree LoL is a lot of fun. I too was initially turned off by the game until a couple friends insisted I play more than a paltry amount of games. *edited clarity | ||
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IMoperator
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On June 19 2012 16:04 stupidhydro wrote: Yep. Unfortunately starcraft and battle.net 2.0 don't have a real social aspect to them in most cases. Only a very, very small minority of people even know people at their own skill level to practice with so they have to go to the ladder which, as you said, feels very anonymous. LoL, on the other hand, can be played with friends even if everyone isn't exactly on the same level and therefore provides fun more easily. That being said... on a different note... I hate the way LoL looks... DotA 2 and HoN are more my style. too bad no one I know plays those either. Yeah, I can't comment about Dota or HoN because none of my friends play those. It's a shame SC2 is the way it is. On one hand it's fun to get better and stuff, but then on the other it's super vacant feeling and it's also stressful. Team games aren't very fun because either you play with randoms and get pissed off because they're idiots, or you play with your friends and still get cheesed every game. | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
On June 19 2012 16:06 JonnyLaw wrote: There is no pay to win in LoL. That's the entire premise of a competitive F2P game's success (read Riot Gaming). You buy cosmetics or conveniences only. And yes, I agree LoL is a lot of fun. I too was initially turned off by the game until a couple friends insisted I play more than a paltry amount of games. *edited clarity Rune pages. I love League and I like playing it more than SC2, but a large part of that is because I already burned out on playing Brood War and I'm older and slower. RTS is a young man's game. | ||
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IMoperator
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On June 19 2012 16:05 dGHaiL wrote: I have the same relationship with LoL as I have with team games in SC2. I get pissed when I go on a losing streak in SC2, but I don't ever rage quite like I did when I played LoL. One idiotic teammate and it's pretty much game over. It only compounds on itself when that idiot is yelling at you in a language you don't speak. Hm, I heard that LoL had a terrible community but honestly I get much more bm in SC2 ladder games than I do in LoL. | ||
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Jumbled
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RolleMcKnolle
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
On June 19 2012 16:09 IMoperator wrote: Hm, I heard that LoL had a terrible community but honestly I get much more bm in SC2 ladder games than I do in LoL. lol, you ain't seen nothing yet. Trust me, I've played both for hundreds of hours, and LoL/DotA games are 10000x worse than SC2 BM. | ||
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IMoperator
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On June 19 2012 16:14 FieryBalrog wrote: lol, you ain't seen nothing yet. Trust me, I've played both for hundreds of hours, and LoL/DotA games are 10000x worse than SC2 BM. Yeah, I haven't done many solo queues. I'm almost always playing with at least 1 friend, so it's not as bad. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
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On June 19 2012 16:08 FieryBalrog wrote: Rune pages. I love League and I like playing it more than SC2, but a large part of that is because I already burned out on playing Brood War and I'm older and slower. RTS is a young man's game. What about rune pages is pay to win? Runes can only be unlocked through playing and while you can get more rune pages for money or through playing, only one is active at a time. It's pay-to-advance-faster but not pay-to-win. On topic: From my own experience, League of Legends is usually more fun because it's more casual, which means even your non-hardcore gamer friends or colleagues play it... and the more friends you have that play a game, the more fun the game becomes for you because you can talk to others about the games, talk about tournaments, complain about OP champions, talk strategy and stuff... On the other hand, while SC2 is not exclusively for hardcore gamers it's still a game where it's less likely that your friends pick it up, so except for online forums you can't really talk with anyone about it. This is why barcrafts and such are so extremely important and i wish there was one in a 200km radius :-/ | ||
shostakovich
Brazil1429 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:10 Morfildur wrote: What about rune pages is pay to win? Runes can only be unlocked through playing and while you can get more rune pages for money or through playing, only one is active at a time. It's pay-to-advance-faster but not pay-to-win. On topic: From my own experience, League of Legends is usually more fun because it's more casual, which means even your non-hardcore gamer friends or colleagues play it... and the more friends you have that play a game, the more fun the game becomes for you because you can talk to others about the games, talk about tournaments, complain about OP champions, talk strategy and stuff... On the other hand, while SC2 is not exclusively for hardcore gamers it's still a game where it's less likely that your friends pick it up, so except for online forums you can't really talk with anyone about it. This is why barcrafts and such are so extremely important and i wish there was one in a 200km radius :-/ Question: how much time is it needed to unlock all these runes? | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
I made masters but I had a really bad ladder anxiety, and theres also the factor of having to have your mind pace everywhere. But really I feel like SC2 > LoL which is why I came to this forums. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
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On June 19 2012 17:24 shostakovich wrote: Question: how much time is it needed to unlock all these runes? If you don't buy champions or tier1/tier2 runes, you have enough IP to complete a runepage around level 20 (though you can only do so at 30 when all slots are unlocked). A few weeks ago i spent about 2 weeks grinding games for IP and then had all my 10 runepages completed for every character i'm likely to play (Tank/AP/AD/AS/Support), took me about 100-150 games. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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.Also buy t1 runes, they're about 40-60% as effective as t3s and you can get a full page for like 1000 ip (4-5 games). | ||
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Sinensis
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IMoperator
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On June 19 2012 17:50 Sinensis wrote: I'm glad you included that you enjoy COD/MW2 because for a second I thought it might actually be plausible that LoL was fun. What does me liking MW2 have to do with anything? Oh wait, you're probably one of those that thinks they're better than other gamers because they only like "hardcore" or "underground" games. Get lost. | ||
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Crissaegrim
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But yes, SC2 has just been overtaken by other titles (mainly dota 2) imo, at least in terms of spectator entertainment. | ||
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Jumbled
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On June 19 2012 18:12 Crissaegrim wrote: Im personally think that Dota 2 is a much better game but I agree that it is overwhelming for new players to get into without any help. I think LoL players looking for something more should try to move on to Dota 2 but I understand LoL is casual enough to be fun and relaxing. But yes, SC2 has just been overtaken by other titles (mainly dota 2) imo, at least in terms of spectator entertainment. For viewing entertainment, I tend to feel that MOBAs are inadequate for the same reason that they're good for casual play: they're just much simpler than an RTS. Of course, in terms of audience numbers they'll do well anyway because a large population of player translates directly into a lot of viewers, even if the spectating experience isn't quite as good. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
. Don't get me wrong, I think that LoL is a great game but I don't like Riot business model. They are pretty much pumping out every week a new OP hero, and for new players it's really impossible to unlock all of them without paying with real money and even then you will spend quite a lot of money. | ||
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Tobberoth
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Like Blitzer, I recommend people who like LoL to try Dota 2. Not just a game, but really sit down and try it. Dota 2 is way more heavy on mechanics and has some crazy complexity with team setups which I think a lot of LoL people would find superior if they actually tried it for 10 games or so. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
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Crissaegrim
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On June 19 2012 18:19 Jumbled wrote: For viewing entertainment, I tend to feel that MOBAs are inadequate for the same reason that they're good for casual play: they're just much simpler than an RTS. Of course, in terms of audience numbers they'll do well anyway because a large population of player translates directly into a lot of viewers, even if the spectating experience isn't quite as good. Have you watched some recent Dota 2 tournaments? I have a few games on the top of my head that might just change your mind. And I think you might be surprised at just how much strategy and tactics are involved in top tier games. On June 19 2012 18:26 Morfildur wrote: Why does every thread about LoL get invaded by people saying "DotA2 is better. Try DotA2"? Seriously, guys... The OP didn't mention DotA2 in any word, no reason to bring it up here... Maybe because SC:BW was one of the most demanding, high-ceiling skilled games ever. SC2 is not on that level but good enough nonetheless. Both games reward constant practice to overcome a sharp learning curve which shares more similarities with Dota 2 than with LoL (in the minds of those advocating Dota 2). This is TL after all. | ||
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Tobberoth
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On June 19 2012 18:26 Morfildur wrote: Why does every thread about LoL get invaded by people saying "DotA2 is better. Try DotA2"? Seriously, guys... The OP didn't mention DotA2 in any word, no reason to bring it up here... Because both games are Mobas and you might enjoy both? The real question is why are LoL players so defensive? The reason why Dota is brought up a lot is because the vast majority of LoL players are casual gamers who might not even know about Dota and how it differs, while they might very well enjoy it. | ||
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Corr
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On June 19 2012 15:38 IMoperator wrote: Now, we have a group of about 10+ people (all real life friends too) that play together and I'm having such a good time. I hated logging on to SC2 and it felt like a ghost town, where you would just grind out 1v1's against faceless opponents. But no more! TL;DR: Don't be like me, don't be biased against a game you haven't played yet, you could be really missing out! The following is my opinion: - The game is shit. - Playing with friends is fun. - Try playing without any of your friends, just strangers, for a week, and you'll go back to realizing it's ... a shit game. - It's still fun to play with friends though. Regardless of game. I've had tons of fun playing with RL friends in games I thought sucked - it was still great fun playing with friends. | ||
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bartus88
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I tried LoL myself 2 months ago and I enjoyed my first few games a lot, but I played those games with friends. As soon as I played some games by myself, I quickly realized the game is not bad per se, but other games (like SC2) are much better and way more fun to play alone. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On June 19 2012 18:19 Jumbled wrote: For viewing entertainment, I tend to feel that MOBAs are inadequate for the same reason that they're good for casual play: they're just much simpler than an RTS. Of course, in terms of audience numbers they'll do well anyway because a large population of player translates directly into a lot of viewers, even if the spectating experience isn't quite as good. I really disagree here. I have a way easier time teaching someone the basics of SC2 or even BW than the basics of DotA / League, simply because smaller things matter earlier and there is more basic knowledge that you need to learn. On a higher level (solo q is a different game) the coordination required between teammates again introduces much more variables that SC2 doesn't have. It's really, really hard to argue that one of the genres is "simpler". Edit: What's without ANY discussion great about League of Legends though is that it has the best subforum on TL. Period. ♥ | ||
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zeehar
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On June 19 2012 18:31 Tobberoth wrote: Because both games are Mobas and you might enjoy both? The real question is why are LoL players so defensive? The reason why Dota is brought up a lot is because the vast majority of LoL players are casual gamers who might not even know about Dota and how it differs, while they might very well enjoy it. also, the second post in the thread is like "i got burned out by LoL because its 30 minute farmfest into teamfight into end". dota is extremely unlike that for 99% of the games, so it's an alternative that many people might want to try if they like games of this genre. | ||
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Allied
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NB
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Same thing is being applied to LoL: skill bar is much lowered compare to DotA (and starcraft) which make it much more enjoyable to play but the game should not be taken as serious as people treating it right now at top nouch level. You can basicly play WoW for your whole life, start playing LoL for 3 months and get into a pro team pretty fast. Next thing you know, my friends is taking games off sponsor players in major tournaments. For a lot of people, if there is no competitive edge, they would rather go play single player games such as portal or Mario and still have as much fun. I am one of those. | ||
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NonFactor
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On June 19 2012 18:31 Tobberoth wrote: Because both games are Mobas and you might enjoy both? The real question is why are LoL players so defensive? The reason why Dota is brought up a lot is because the vast majority of LoL players are casual gamers who might not even know about Dota and how it differs, while they might very well enjoy it. No. Almost every thread, if not every thread outside the LoL section that is about LoL or mentions LoL get's invaded by Dota fanboys. Often they openly bash it, sometimes they use subtle insults either towards the game or the population that plays it. (Like you did in that post.) Funnily enough, the reverse almost never happens. I wonder why that is. I've seen it so often that it got to the point that I really started to dislike the Dota 2 TL community. As a person who plays and enjoys both games, when it comes to TL I strictly stick to reading LoL forum. The REAL question is, why are Dota players so aggressive? | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Person A likes LoL Person B(Starcraft fan) dislikes Lol, claims its too casual and boring farmfests, calls it Moba(thus lumping LoL and Dota together) Person C(Dota fan) then says, if its too casual and boring farmfests how about Dota. Pointless arguments everywhere It probably has something to do with the elitism on TL, goes like BW>SC2>Dota2>LoL. | ||
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EnE
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If you're under masters or diamond then I'm not surprised that you enjoy LoL more, because you can't even understand sc2 yet ^_^ I enjoy playing sc2 more than anything, probably largely because I can play it at a relatively okay level. I love playing bio in tvz too :D | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On June 19 2012 21:17 EnE wrote: It's just easier to be good at LoL. If you're under masters or diamond then I'm not surprised that you enjoy LoL more, because you can't even understand sc2 yet ^_^ I enjoy playing sc2 more than anything, probably largely because I can play it at a relatively okay level. I love playing bio in tvz too :D I dunno, I was a bottom-tier masters and it took me a lot longer to be at a comparable skill level at LoL. (arguably I'm still not.) Different game, different mechanics, different decision making. It's just different. Don't like dota 2. Feels like I'm playing a 5 year old game (I did play some dota back then.) and the interface bugs me way too much. LoL's isnt exactly perfect, but it doesn't grate on me in the same way. Also, TL's LoL community is pretty good guys, even if they ALWAYS AFK. | ||
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HeeroFX
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
On June 19 2012 21:17 EnE wrote: It's just easier to be good at LoL. If you're under masters or diamond then I'm not surprised that you enjoy LoL more, because you can't even understand sc2 yet ^_^ I enjoy playing sc2 more than anything, probably largely because I can play it at a relatively okay level. I love playing bio in tvz too :D Last January I came back for a week to play some SC2 after almost a year long hiatus. I lost all my placement matches on purpose and went on a 30-0 winning streak playing people who claimed to be ''high diamonds'' while still being in Gold league. The messages I got from players after they lost to me were hilarious. I made it to masters and dropping only a few games beforehand. I was high diamond when it was still the best league. (Back when I was still active.) SC2 isn't hard unless you play it at the highest level. Same goes for LoL. Problem is people have this really bad mentality going into SC2, thinking it's a hard game with demanding mechanics, while it's really not. I coached 2 of my IRL friends into Diamond (again, when it was the best league) in less then a month. I currently get more enjoyment out of LoL and Dota since I generally speaking like team games more than solo games. | ||
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Tobberoth
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On June 19 2012 20:46 NonFactor wrote: No. Almost every thread, if not every thread outside the LoL section that is about LoL or mentions LoL get's invaded by Dota fanboys. Often they openly bash it, sometimes they use subtle insults either towards the game or the population that plays it. (Like you did in that post.) Funnily enough, the reverse almost never happens. I wonder why that is. I've seen it so often that it got to the point that I really started to dislike the Dota 2 TL community. As a person who plays and enjoys both games, when it comes to TL I strictly stick to reading LoL forum. The REAL question is, why are Dota players so aggressive? How did I use a "subtle insult" in my post? No one who has played both games would ever try to make the case that LoL is more mechanically demanding, since that would be a downright lie. As for my comment om complex team setups, that wasn't a jab at LoL, but more a comment on the fact that in LoL 1-1-2-jungle is such an extremely common lineup, while it's a bit more mixed up in Dota 2 with trilanes etc. If you weren't so defensive, you wouldn't find "subtle insults" in every post mentioning Dota 2. | ||
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rainei
Canada1316 Posts
. I haven't had this much fun since the ol' CoD WaW/MW2 days where we had a bunch of friends playing that too What are you, 12? But any game is a billion times more fun while playing with friends, even if the game is complete garbage. Like borderlands... | ||
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CrimsonLotus
Colombia1123 Posts
I think people around here forget that games are... well, that, games. They're supposed to be fun first and foremost. LoL is certainly less complex than the other MOBAs but it's hardly lacking any sort of skill or competitive aspect. Start playing LoL without having a clear understanding of the game and you'll get destroyed again and again, the same that in SC2. This is all just silly nerd elitism of "my game is better than yours", they're all just games, just play whatever the hell you enjoy. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On June 19 2012 20:46 NonFactor wrote: No. Almost every thread, if not every thread outside the LoL section that is about LoL or mentions LoL get's invaded by Dota fanboys. Often they openly bash it, sometimes they use subtle insults either towards the game or the population that plays it. (Like you did in that post.) Funnily enough, the reverse almost never happens. I wonder why that is. I've seen it so often that it got to the point that I really started to dislike the Dota 2 TL community. As a person who plays and enjoys both games, when it comes to TL I strictly stick to reading LoL forum. The REAL question is, why are Dota players so aggressive? The REAL question is, why are LoL players so aggressive ? We just said that you SHOULD try DotA2 because you COULD like it. We never said that LoL is shit, that's what you keep saying. On June 19 2012 18:26 Morfildur wrote: Why does every thread about LoL get invaded by people saying "DotA2 is better. Try DotA2"? Seriously, guys... The OP didn't mention DotA2 in any word, no reason to bring it up here... Now, tell me who the hell said that Dota2 is better. Tell me. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On June 19 2012 20:53 Kipsate wrote: Goes like this Person A likes LoL Person B(Starcraft fan) dislikes Lol, claims its too casual and boring farmfests, calls it Moba(thus lumping LoL and Dota together) Person C(Dota fan) then says, if its too casual and boring farmfests how about Dota. Pointless arguments everywhere It probably has something to do with the elitism on TL, goes like BW>SC2>Dota2>LoL. All the games you listed are inferior, WC2 4 lyfe. | ||
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nros23
United States4 Posts
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NonFactor
Sweden698 Posts
On June 19 2012 22:34 BlitzerSC wrote: The REAL question is, why are LoL players so aggressive ? We just said that you SHOULD try DotA2 because you COULD like it. We never said that LoL is shit, that's what you keep saying. Now, tell me who the hell said that Dota2 is better. Tell me. Funny. Like I said in my post, go read up on LoL related posts in anywhere except LoL section and you will see Dota players invading and more often then not bashing it. Me calling Dota players aggressive was simply a response to him calling LoL players defensive. Both are true, but also what's true is the constant bashing of LoL in these forums, which has caused LoL players to become defensive. And it's also pure stupidity to make the claim that LoL players would for some reason be more aggressive then Dota players. It's simply not true. But I can agree with that others, including myself, have become more defensive due to the constant bashing and spreading of mis-information regarding LoL. ''LoL is pay 2 win'' ''LoL only gets high viewer amounts because it has it's stream embedded into the client so everyone who is online will count as a viewer''. Those are just a few examples of things that have been circling around these forums. Though at the same time I have seen some improvement, mainly due to the fact that numerous pros are swapping over to LoL, I'd say. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On June 19 2012 16:08 FieryBalrog wrote: Rune pages. I love League and I like playing it more than SC2, but a large part of that is because I already burned out on playing Brood War and I'm older and slower. RTS is a young man's game. You need to pay ~60 bucks to even have a shot at winning anything in SC2. Pay the same money on LoL, spend it wisely and you're well equipped for 1st place on the ladder. Aside from the stuff that you can't buy with money of course. I'm even pretty sure there are or at least have been plenty of people in top ladder positions with as little as 2-3 runepages and a very limited champion pool. Not a dime spent for that. And I'm not just talking about pro players. On June 19 2012 22:07 CrimsonLotus wrote: Who cares about skill ceiling and all that elitist nonsense when 99+% will not play at the highest level and MOBA games are in general terrible to watch as a esport? You better are able to provide proof for that or stop spewing nonsense. LoL is pretty damn spectator friendly (I got into it by watching streams without any prior knowledge about the genre at all) and fun to watch. (Personally can't say the same for DotA2 and HoN though, I still have trouble following these even though I know the genre pretty damn well now.) | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
The only alternative is DOTA or League of Legends, and since I've given up on diehard BW-trying, clearly I have to use my 300 APM in LoL! \o/ | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On June 19 2012 23:28 Zergneedsfood wrote: I think SC2 sucks. BW is dead. The only alternative is DOTA or League of Legends, and since I've given up on diehard BW-trying, clearly I have to use my 300 APM in LoL! \o/ o/ | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On June 19 2012 22:07 rainei wrote: What are you, 12? But any game is a billion times more fun while playing with friends, even if the game is complete garbage. Like borderlands... As you said, any game is way more fun when playing with friends. I enjoyed the hell out of MW2 as well. I had two groups of around 10 friends with some overlap that would always try to get into parties of six, and we were guaranteed to have a ton of fun whenever that happened. Sometimes we did stupid shit like killing ourselves right at the start of the round to piss off the other team, sometimes we just hid and waited for them to find us, other times we tried to go on really long win streaks (this is all in Search and Destroy). I think we got something insane like 30 games in one night. One group was really into quick-scoping, and it was actually fun to play competitive matches against other teams. I think the problem that most people that are too "hardcore" for the game is that they take it too seriously (not nearly as competitive as CS, blah blah) or that they aren't playing with a good group of friends. The game isn't meant to be truly competitive just like checkers isn't, but it can still be a lot of fun. I did hate playing without friends most of the time, though. | ||
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