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DeLoAdEr
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Japan527 Posts
August 08 2012 16:01 GMT
#481
On August 08 2012 17:53 aTnClouD wrote:
My own experience is that right now any average zerg who was low GM or master league can be as good as a progamer. Because it doesn't take really any skill to build up drones and spread creep on all the map in 12 game minutes with mass queens. I really feel I have to be insanely better than my opponents to win and all this leaves is just a huge amount of frustration. Also I can't help but feel it's sad that horrible players like Jonnyrecco who were shit before patch suddenly became good and when I play any zerg on the ladder I know it's going to be super hard no matter who it is, be it Dimaga or any 50% win ratio zerg in master league. Things are REALLY fucked up at the moment.


At least you're getting good TvZ practice if any average zerg is as good as a progamer.

I haven't been playing lately, but just by watching tournaments it feels like SC2 is becoming like BW but worse -- there are a few godly korean terrans who are doing really well, but if you're not one of them then it's insanely hard to win anything.
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
August 10 2012 09:22 GMT
#482
On August 08 2012 17:53 aTnClouD wrote:
My own experience is that right now any average zerg who was low GM or master league can be as good as a progamer. Because it doesn't take really any skill to build up drones and spread creep on all the map in 12 game minutes with mass queens. I really feel I have to be insanely better than my opponents to win and all this leaves is just a huge amount of frustration. Also I can't help but feel it's sad that horrible players like Jonnyrecco who were shit before patch suddenly became good and when I play any zerg on the ladder I know it's going to be super hard no matter who it is, be it Dimaga or any 50% win ratio zerg in master league. Things are REALLY fucked up at the moment.


yea since the new patch there is a huge amount of zerg players rising to the top.. 1 good example is Ourk who played Protoss at a high masters level, switched to Zerg and was top 5 GM literally 2 weeks later :D players like SortOf and partly also Jrecco are a different story bc imo they were pretty good even before the buff, just unknown.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
August 10 2012 11:01 GMT
#483
On August 10 2012 18:22 Kaitokid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2012 17:53 aTnClouD wrote:
My own experience is that right now any average zerg who was low GM or master league can be as good as a progamer. Because it doesn't take really any skill to build up drones and spread creep on all the map in 12 game minutes with mass queens. I really feel I have to be insanely better than my opponents to win and all this leaves is just a huge amount of frustration. Also I can't help but feel it's sad that horrible players like Jonnyrecco who were shit before patch suddenly became good and when I play any zerg on the ladder I know it's going to be super hard no matter who it is, be it Dimaga or any 50% win ratio zerg in master league. Things are REALLY fucked up at the moment.


yea since the new patch there is a huge amount of zerg players rising to the top.. 1 good example is Ourk who played Protoss at a high masters level, switched to Zerg and was top 5 GM literally 2 weeks later :D players like SortOf and partly also Jrecco are a different story bc imo they were pretty good even before the buff, just unknown.

Sortof was pretty good indeed and Jonnyrecco really wasn't, thing is they jumped instantly from that point to very top foreign level once the patch came out.
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Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
August 10 2012 17:06 GMT
#484
poor Cloud, didnt win when Terran was op, now Terran is balanced and he dropps totally off the screen


btw: why does Taeja have this insane winrate in TvZ? is he a god amongst men or how is it possible? If ZvT is really imbalanced, his TvZ winrate should be his worst, not his best?

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Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
August 10 2012 17:37 GMT
#485
On August 11 2012 02:06 Zeon0 wrote:
poor Cloud, didnt win when Terran was op, now Terran is balanced and he dropps totally off the screen


btw: why does Taeja have this insane winrate in TvZ? is he a god amongst men or how is it possible? If ZvT is really imbalanced, his TvZ winrate should be his worst, not his best?


Starpower, my friend. Starpower.

Ever hear of the time when teamliquid only had 1 player left in IPL TAC and slayers had their strongest players left?

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I felt sorry for them. The player left was taeja.
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perser84
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany399 Posts
August 15 2012 04:25 GMT
#486
when i see Taeja play vs zerg i get the feeling i have no right to complain because
he proves that is possible to win against zerg

the problem is not their late game

(i dont like this chain fungual )

the problem is that terran cant apply any pressure >early game
not really with marines or hellion or banshees
you can still be agressive but its harder then before


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