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Toastyzeus
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia34 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 13:23:30
June 12 2012 09:14 GMT
#1
I've been playing since before season one, i'm a 17 year old zerg..


Im currently sitting in platinum and losing every game.

I just played a game where I was 210/200 supply, full ups, 9 base.... Still losing..

I am losing every game, to diamonds to silvers, you name it..




I desperatly need some help, ever since I started playing all I wanted was to be diamond, but I just cant overcome low low platinum...



I play on SEA as Toastyzeus and NA as Pieceoftoast, and im losing every game..




I really need help ..



EDIT:
Here is the link to the past replays, some are prac games and others are playing toss, so please disregard any irrelevant games.


Thanks



http://www.mediafire.com/?66bm5oglwa11v5p





( Mods feel free to move this, I don't know where else to go :[ )
How is a raven like a writing desk?
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 09:18:09
June 12 2012 09:17 GMT
#2
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=34


But this level of post is definitely not up to standards on Strategy boards, let alone anywhere on this site. Read a few other help topics and put the work into your help thread. Don't expect people to put any more effort into helping you than you put into making it easier for them to help you.
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
June 12 2012 09:29 GMT
#3
Maybe ask for coaching on the free coaching thread ?
sotaporo
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland195 Posts
June 12 2012 09:35 GMT
#4
replays sure would help.
Mazaire
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia217 Posts
June 12 2012 09:37 GMT
#5
Checkout the channel pracbud the people there are looking for game and to work certain builds. Also joining a clan helps.
"No matter what event you go to there are so many koreans, like a swarm. Even if you beat three or four, there are like 10 others waiting." - Socke
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 09:40:36
June 12 2012 09:39 GMT
#6
Hi, and welcome to TL

Asking for advice falls under the SC2 Strategy subforum. Check there for examples and I will outline some basic things you need.
1. Replay(s) of your play. Easiest way for us to give you constructive criticism
2. Self analysis- why do you think you are losing? Watch a replay and take notes. It will help us both.

Don't rely on mods to do stuff right for you, they are busy people
Good luck with winning

oh and edit- check out some of the existing threads to see what it should look like! Most are quite good examples of how to ask for help!
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Toastyzeus
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia34 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 09:57:28
June 12 2012 09:55 GMT
#7
On June 12 2012 18:37 Mazaire wrote:
Checkout the channel pracbud the people there are looking for game and to work certain builds. Also joining a clan helps.



Yeah Im in clan ToR, fantastic bunch, i'm also in Pracbud... but that's the thing, you see..

I'm trying to do all these things to improve, and I have been for 7 seasons now, I just cant break my skill barrier.



ALSO


I will respond with a pack of the last 22 games I played, some are prac games and others are playing toss, so please disregard any irrelevant games.


If anyone knows any free zerg coaches I could contact that would be fantastic!
How is a raven like a writing desk?
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
June 12 2012 09:55 GMT
#8
This seems like a big whine post. Post this in strategy forum with replays attached to it so people can actually help you besides soothing you from whining.
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imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 09:58:00
June 12 2012 09:57 GMT
#9
"I need help and I don't give you any information, so figure out yourself how you can help me".

GL, play better!

edit: replays would be good yes.
Micro at its best is like an elegant dance between two people trying to achieve a similar end.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
June 12 2012 09:57 GMT
#10
post reps we'll help. right guys?
Toastyzeus
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia34 Posts
June 12 2012 09:59 GMT
#11
On June 12 2012 18:55 Thylacine wrote:
This seems like a big whine post. Post this in strategy forum with replays attached to it so people can actually help you besides soothing you from whining.



Sorry, i'm just a little frustrated from all the losses...


Here you go!:

http://www.mediafire.com/?66bm5oglwa11v5p
How is a raven like a writing desk?
Toastyzeus
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia34 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 10:00:16
June 12 2012 09:59 GMT
#12
Here is the link to the past replays, some are prac games and others are playing toss, so please disregard any irrelevant games.


Thanks



http://www.mediafire.com/?66bm5oglwa11v5p
How is a raven like a writing desk?
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2594 Posts
June 12 2012 10:04 GMT
#13
TL is a pretty good place to get help, but you're going to have to learn the basics for how we do things around here before you'll get any advice.

First: Read this thread, it has all the information you need about how to make an acceptable Strategy Forum thread asking for help: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=338554

Then make a new [H][L] (help, low level) thread following those guidelines: Include a replay or two, analyse for yourself what you think is happening in the game(s) you include, and make clear what it is you'd like to understand better. Then we'll be more than happy to help you out!

Also, there are a lot of really excellent resources for learning generally how to improve as a lower-level player (which does include platinum): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330787 is good, as is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328028
The frumious Bandersnatch
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
June 12 2012 10:06 GMT
#14
I new opening a thread titled as so was a bad idea... How did you have 250/200 supply -.-
FoTG fighting!
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
June 12 2012 10:10 GMT
#15
how is your age relevant?!! dont mention your age!!! gaaah


on a serious note, coaching probably is a good idea
Toastyzeus
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia34 Posts
June 12 2012 10:18 GMT
#16
On June 12 2012 19:10 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
how is your age relevant?!! dont mention your age!!! gaaah


on a serious note, coaching probably is a good idea



Sorry, I thought it might be relevant to add that i'm still a student, and therefore cannot affort coaching lessons..


Thats the reasoning behind that
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SupplyBlockedTV
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Belgium313 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 10:28:41
June 12 2012 10:24 GMT
#17
Hey.

Yes you should post in the strategy forum.. not here.

Anyhow, number of bases means nothing, im not a zerg player, but for protoss i know i dont want more then 3 saturated bases troughout the game, and from there out work on getting a very good late game unit composition so i can A-move and spam Gee Gee. (I used to think..more bases = more win ..but it simply is not like that in sc2)

And plat for me was the hardest league to break so far, just mass up 1v1 games, gain experience, try to have a general idea of what went wrong, watch day9 ..watch streams, and you will be diamond before you can even blink. Also read up about how do deal when you are going tilt, because you sound pretty frustrated with the game, and that mental state will have you play really bad. You just need to play a few ladder games every day and you will get there, people dont hit skill ceilings in plat (i hope.. :D).

EDIT: Unless you are master league do not pay for coaching.
PEW PEW PEW
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
June 12 2012 11:13 GMT
#18
On June 12 2012 19:18 Toastyzeus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 19:10 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
how is your age relevant?!! dont mention your age!!! gaaah


on a serious note, coaching probably is a good idea



Sorry, I thought it might be relevant to add that i'm still a student, and therefore cannot affort coaching lessons..


Thats the reasoning behind that


there people offering free coaching pretty often here.. otherwise, ask a friend of the same or higher skill than you or so

and theres alot of 17-years old with more money than they should have
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
June 12 2012 11:15 GMT
#19
This quality of a post isn't acceptable anywhere on the site.

In addition to going to the link Emporium mentioned, go to the strategy forum guidelines as well.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=338554
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
June 12 2012 11:16 GMT
#20
On June 12 2012 20:13 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 19:18 Toastyzeus wrote:
On June 12 2012 19:10 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
how is your age relevant?!! dont mention your age!!! gaaah


on a serious note, coaching probably is a good idea



Sorry, I thought it might be relevant to add that i'm still a student, and therefore cannot affort coaching lessons..


Thats the reasoning behind that


there people offering free coaching pretty often here.. otherwise, ask a friend of the same or higher skill than you or so

and theres alot of 17-years old with more money than they should have

There's even a full thread made for free coaching
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321106
Toastyzeus
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia34 Posts
June 12 2012 13:22 GMT
#21
Aah, sorry guys I just didnt know where to start, it's been a long time since I felt like I wasnt just playing, but improving..


I know this isn't exactly structured or in any acceptible standard to be on TL, I've just been plat for so long and I can't seem to get any further...
How is a raven like a writing desk?
KING CHARLIE :D
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
June 12 2012 13:38 GMT
#22
On June 12 2012 18:14 Toastyzeus wrote:
I've been playing since before season one, i'm a 17 year old zerg..


Im currently sitting in platinum and losing every game.

I just played a game where I was 210/200 supply, full ups, 9 base.... Still losing..

I am losing every game, to diamonds to silvers, you name it..




I desperatly need some help, ever since I started playing all I wanted was to be diamond, but I just cant overcome low low platinum...



I play on SEA as Toastyzeus and NA as Pieceoftoast, and im losing every game..




I really need help ..



EDIT:
Here is the link to the past replays, some are prac games and others are playing toss, so please disregard any irrelevant games.


Thanks



http://www.mediafire.com/?66bm5oglwa11v5p





( Mods feel free to move this, I don't know where else to go :[ )



Why do people say things like this? If I post a detailed history on the love affair between me, idra and hotbid and then tell the mods "Mods, I hereby do NOT give you permission to move this or close it for any reason..." do they just look the other way? Of course they don't...How many mods have seen an inappropriate thread and thought, "I would close this, but he didn't give me permission and the last thing I want to do is offend this guy..." None...In fact I'm pretty sure most of them love deleting threads so much they just delete and repost the same thread over and over in some obscure sub-forum of TL.net that no one even knows exists...like the "Health and Fitness" section. The point is, they know how to wield the pathetic scraps of influence that were bestowed upon them, and don't need anyone telling them what they have permission to do...
NO TEAM WILL EVER BE AS GOOD AS TEAM LIQUID!
HickleStine
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 14:10:54
June 12 2012 14:05 GMT
#23
Okay I picked a replay at random
it's a ZvT on Entombed Valley vs a player named 'starmuscle'

Macro:
You get supply blocked, overmake overlords and in general have bad macro
This was also while the terran was putting zero pressure on you
Something i find SUPER helpful when my macro is slipping is to play a bunch of games vs the very easy AI. Try to do your build and get maxed by a certain benchmark. Having macro benchmarks which you can compare to a pro player is REALLY helpful for telling you how you're going.

Here's some examples of where your macro slipped:
- supply block at 44 - you overmake overlords to be at 46/70 supply :/
- lots of idle larvae - this is partially due to you spending money on tech buildings, but its mainly because you spent several hundred minerals on unnecessary overlords
- supply block again at 78
- supply block at 142
- drone count 61 @ 15:00 at this point you should have (a while ago) reached your optimal drone count (anywhere from 70-100 depending on your strategy), especially seeing as the terran has put absolutely no pressure on at this point

Strategy:
- Building too much early game defence cuts into your drone count a lot! you build a spine and 4 lings despite having seen the terran going 1 rax CC. building 2 lings and cutting the spine would be sufficient
-You build a big group of slowlings early on, seemingly for no reason. You could potentially have attacked the front with them, as the terran's defence was light, but you just sat in the middle of the map with them for ages...
-Your plan of going for lings -> roach -> double evolution chambers -> baneling nest -> spire makes you very slow to get to lair tech. Pick roaches OR banelings as your early/midgame defence unit. You can build a roach warren if you see a lot of hellions, which brings us to
-Scouting. or rather lack of it. Scout more! suicide an overlord into his main at the 7:00 mark or even earlier to check what his followup is after expanding, scout the front with a zergling! patrol the map with zerglings!

Decision making/other/why you actually lost the game:
- Despite all that ^ the terran had a weak army compared to yours when he moved out at ~14:30, and you crushed him
- Your counterattack didnt work because you led with the mutas in the first engagement and lost almost all of them.
- you waited far to long to take a 4th
- no hive tech= no 3/3 and adrenal glands
- You have no scouting so you dont see his second push until it's in position to kill your 4th
- the worker count is now 73 to 61 in terran's favour; his macro is what is killing you now
- when you counterattack at 18:30 you don't micro at all and lose everything - this is possibly the worst move you make all game, but it would be recoverable if you had more drones, upgrades and another base or 2
- however, you don't, so his superior macro and upgrades kill you

SUMMARY:
- If you are intentionally trying to copy a pro build, watch a vod/rep of that build so you know the exact timing of each building and where you should be at supply/dronewise at each point in the game
- PRACTICE your build at least 3 times a session against the computer. play 2 games of your build vs the very easy AI, ladder, then 1 game to warm down. Your mechanics/build order are probably your biggest weakness

Belial88 has written some really handy guides on ZvP and ZvT, if you want to know a few macro benchmarks and general good things to be doing with your build order, go check them out:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320038
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340023

I hope I helped, losing streaks really suck especially when you're not sure what's going wrong.
glhf!
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