The mystery within the mystery - Page 13

On June 07 2012 19:50 LorCHsc2 wrote:
Its really hard NOT TAKING this personal when a lot of people start saying somthing about my own person so... I hope ADMINS do anything they think

I repeat, sorry because my english... i cant say a few expressions But im not mad

EDIT: I understand everything wroted here, but i have some problems to explain myself... sorry

Drolets
23/05/12

Be carefully? English level... Infant.

On June 07 2012 04:52 Promethelax wrote:
Minor update on the aforementioned suspects:
LorCHsc2: He also just told the world that he is having a baby, congratulations to him.

On June 07 2012 19:36 felisconcolori wrote:
Somehow, I think it's fitting that my 500th post is in a Gheed blog thread.

To the varied Spanish individuals getting upset about the investigation others are doing - Tough shit. You make posts on the internet, or through twitter, and you are entering a public sphere. If you don't want people to analyze in detail everything you do online, unplug your computer and throw it out a window. Because that is the only way. You think you're anonymous, anywhere at anytime? No. Ask Amazon. Or Facebook. Or Twitter. Or Google. All of whom can probably tell you where you were yesterday, with who, and what you had for breakfast. Unlike Drolets, those investigating are being very open about it, and are giving a very good account of their reasoning. Meanwhile, you come in and laugh like trolls while providing ad hominem attacks. (This, incidentally, is probably one good example of why people don't want to post accusations without using a smurf account.)

To those bemoaning "outing" a "whistle-blower" - no. Just. No. Drolets is not a whistle-blower. Drolets made an accusation on flimsy circumstantial evidence that would barely get a search warrant were it a criminal legal matter. He did so with no standing; actually, he did it with negative standing because of how internet forum "reputation" seems to work. His initial post is roughly the equivalent of pre-schooler accusing a member of Congress(Parliament, Althingi, whatever) of rigging elections. (Although the pre-schooler may have a point, he has no reputation to lend any credence, and I think I already mentioned how incredibly circumstantial the evidence given was.) He cannot be afforded whistle-blower status in another way - a whistle-blower is someone that discovers impropriety, and then reports it to an authority for investigation. A slanderer, on the other hand, is someone that finds a rumour and then plasters it on the cover of a magazine. The TL Forums are not an authority by any stretch of the imagination. I think "magazine" is a decent analogy. (This would make Reddit the Enquirer.) This is also why the OP's thread was initially closed, until other more authoritative individuals investigated the claims made and then substantiated them with better analysis and expert opinion. (Although, it should be noted, that all evidence brought forward since is circumstantial. Better than the OP provided, but still circumstantial.)

Gheed, I have to say - very good blog. I feel however, that you could have done better. I feel I have evidence that Drolets may be more "foreign" than just from Spain. Now, I'm not saying Drolets is an alien...

As for whether or not Spades hacks - don't care. And here's why. The only possible evidence we have is circumstantial inference based on computer recorded "actions" by a game. They may or may not be accurate whether or not a hack is involved. It's lousy evidence, all around - as someone mentioned, there's no "smoking gun". People that are trying to prove Spades isn't hacking are attempting to prove a negative - there's no way to do so. You can say all you want that this or that is "fishy" or "suspect", but there's no way for anyone to say definitively "that's not a hack". I guess, if someone had a video camera watching the entire computer, Spades' finger movements, mouse movements, and possibly bowel movements, with timestamped and witnessed affidavits handled using chain of custody evidentiary protocol, maybe you could. Even at this late date, a forensic examination of the actual computer for "hacking" software or connections would be useless, as an accuser can just say "it was formatted since then". It's impossible. The only person that can say with absolute accuracy whether or not Spades hacks, is Spades. I don't really need to illuminate how that works, do I?

The only solid, 100% undeniable fact that exists in this entire screwy shambles, is that Spades' career has taken a body blow from which it may never recover. The guy has gotten death threats if he shows up at Anaheim. Any potential future earnings he may have had are gone - his reputation has been destroyed and it may have an impact in his life outside of gaming. If the accusations against him are baseless (or at the least, unprovable) he could probably make a decent case for slander (or cyberbullying) in civil court. In which case, legal counsel can subpoena records from TL and find out definitively who this Drolets is.

I don't think that'll help, though.
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On June 07 2012 23:27 Doodsmack wrote:
I have my doubts that anyone other than the mods know who drolets is. If you look at Promethelax and others' previous posts in here they clearly are drawing conclusions based on speculation in order to feel like detectives. Writing style and familiarity with Karont3 is just insufficient evidence to go on. If you look at Spanish players' stream threads there are like ten 1-post accounts that pop up lol.

And as for callin drolets a whistleblower that's just silly. He exaggerated circumstantial evidence in order to create the illusion that he had something substantial. The real evidence in that thread has come from other people. His post insta-destroyed a career while shielding him from accountability for his hit job. He deserves to be outed. I guess TL has no problem with people making new accounts for risky posts in order to avoid potential ban consequences for their main accounts lol.

On June 07 2012 23:41 LorCHsc2 wrote:
Im only saying everybody should be carefull about accusations. EVERYBODY. Because my own public image could be damaged because of those accusations.

On June 07 2012 23:46 Felnarion wrote:


Your public image hasn't been damaged by mention of your name in a 13 page blog on Team Liquid, trust me. If anything, a few extra people know who you are now.

On June 08 2012 01:30 jdsowa wrote:
Note that 'drolets' is 'Ste Lord' backwards.

What is the significance of this, you ask?

Well, it all started back in the summer of 2004 when I played the WMB qualifier in Guadalajara...

On June 08 2012 01:30 jdsowa wrote:
Note that 'drolets' is 'Ste Lord' backwards.

What is the significance of this, you ask?

Well, it all started back in the summer of 2004 when I played the WMB qualifier in Guadalajara...

On June 07 2012 19:50 LorCHsc2 wrote:
Its really hard NOT TAKING this personal when a lot of people start saying somthing about my own person so... I hope ADMINS do anything they think

I repeat, sorry because my english... i cant say a few expressions But im not mad

EDIT: I understand everything wroted here, but i have some problems to explain myself... sorry

On June 08 2012 05:22 Adonminus wrote:
What if drolets is lucifron himself? If the teamliquid mods know the identify of this user, however they refuse to reveal it. Then it could mean they have a reason to hide his identity which wouldn't be the case if it was just an unknown spanish poster, since there's nothing to hide, he has no reputation and no one knows him, there's no point in protecting a random person we're not familiar with. That means there are reasons to hide his identity, it must be someone known, most probably a pro, it is most likely to be lucifron himself and teamliquid doesn't want to place him into a bad situation by revealing him.

If not lucifron, is there any other known Spanish progamers that lucifron knows? Or maybe even more troubling and mysterious, as Gheed suspects in his latest investigations, it could even be an arch nemesis of Spades, who has been preparing this evil plan for months. Especially, after reading drolet's original post, you see that he has is much lower caliber of play than lucifron since for example he complains about putting marines in the main in order to defend against an unscouted banshee, though at high level people do that a lot with or without maphacks if they know the opponent could have the tech at that time to do a possible drop or harass. Or he says he's not checking to see if the building at the ramp is a barracks after the scan on shakuras plateau, while you don't need to do that, it's pretty obvious he'll have a barracks there at that point and he could look simply at the minimap. On the other hand, when you suspect someone of hacking, everything will look suspecious to you even if you are a high level player. It is even possible that the OP wrote it using a low level analysis to deflect suspicion, and it was enough to ignite the discussion so it didn't matter how well the analysis he made was good.

All those clues draw to a conclusion, I am not 100% sure of it however it might sound very likely to happen. First of all, this couldn't have been done by a single person since as Gheed says: "The showmatch began on Sunday at 21:00 CET and ran for (using the length of the relevant TwitchTV videos as a guide) roughly 2 and a half hours. The OP in question was posted on Monday at 21:22 CET." This means that Lucifron couldn't have posted that by himself since he was busy with the showmatch. He had someone he worked with, and now our "arch nemesis of Spades" comes in, he was planning it for months, he was the one who gave the idea to western wolves to make the showmatch, this means he's a known person from western wolves, but also so that the team doesn't suspects him, he becomes friend with lucifron and tells him about the hacking of Spades. Lucifron agrees to help him to hunt down the hacker, by providing the replay and also quickly posting the text he recieved from this unknown individual to the forum. The main ideas of the text were written long time ago and were well calculated to give an image of a bad english speaking user from spain. As Lucifron is not sure 100% sure that his unknown friend is telling the truth, he decides to post it under anonymity so that this doesn't hurt his image in case Spades is proven innocent. Of course the teamliquid mods won't reveal that it's lucifron and the other guy remains in the shadows. Basically, their plan was so well engineered that we will never know the 100% truth.