EPTI repeat, sorry because my english... i cant say a few expressions
But im not mad 
EDIT: I understand everything wroted here, but i have some problems to explain myself... sorry
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LorCHsc2
Spain103 Posts
I repeat, sorry because my english... i cant say a few expressions But im not mad EDIT: I understand everything wroted here, but i have some problems to explain myself... sorry | ||
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Namunelbo
501 Posts
On June 07 2012 19:50 LorCHsc2 wrote: Its really hard NOT TAKING this personal when a lot of people start saying somthing about my own person so... I hope ADMINS do anything they think I repeat, sorry because my english... i cant say a few expressions But im not mad EDIT: I understand everything wroted here, but i have some problems to explain myself... sorry None of the detectives is mocking you, none of them are making fun of your english. In fact, one of the detective (Promethelax) pointed out how ironic it was for Drolets to make fun of his fellow countryman's (probably a caster) english when his english is nowhere near perfect. Drolets 23/05/12 Be carefully? English level... Infant. This was from the website Aprender Starcraft during the WCS Finals. The closest information to your personal life posted by the detective, was the one about you having a baby and the detective congratulating you; also may you have my congratulations as well. On June 07 2012 04:52 Promethelax wrote: Minor update on the aforementioned suspects: LorCHsc2: He also just told the world that he is having a baby, congratulations to him. This information as you can see, does not help much in filling the suspect profile with Drolets', so it was just a minor out of the case extra Promethelax decided to add. | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On June 07 2012 19:36 felisconcolori wrote: Somehow, I think it's fitting that my 500th post is in a Gheed blog thread. To the varied Spanish individuals getting upset about the investigation others are doing - Tough shit. You make posts on the internet, or through twitter, and you are entering a public sphere. If you don't want people to analyze in detail everything you do online, unplug your computer and throw it out a window. Because that is the only way. You think you're anonymous, anywhere at anytime? No. Ask Amazon. Or Facebook. Or Twitter. Or Google. All of whom can probably tell you where you were yesterday, with who, and what you had for breakfast. Unlike Drolets, those investigating are being very open about it, and are giving a very good account of their reasoning. Meanwhile, you come in and laugh like trolls while providing ad hominem attacks. (This, incidentally, is probably one good example of why people don't want to post accusations without using a smurf account.) To those bemoaning "outing" a "whistle-blower" - no. Just. No. Drolets is not a whistle-blower. Drolets made an accusation on flimsy circumstantial evidence that would barely get a search warrant were it a criminal legal matter. He did so with no standing; actually, he did it with negative standing because of how internet forum "reputation" seems to work. His initial post is roughly the equivalent of pre-schooler accusing a member of Congress(Parliament, Althingi, whatever) of rigging elections. (Although the pre-schooler may have a point, he has no reputation to lend any credence, and I think I already mentioned how incredibly circumstantial the evidence given was.) He cannot be afforded whistle-blower status in another way - a whistle-blower is someone that discovers impropriety, and then reports it to an authority for investigation. A slanderer, on the other hand, is someone that finds a rumour and then plasters it on the cover of a magazine. The TL Forums are not an authority by any stretch of the imagination. I think "magazine" is a decent analogy. (This would make Reddit the Enquirer.) This is also why the OP's thread was initially closed, until other more authoritative individuals investigated the claims made and then substantiated them with better analysis and expert opinion. (Although, it should be noted, that all evidence brought forward since is circumstantial. Better than the OP provided, but still circumstantial.) Gheed, I have to say - very good blog. I feel however, that you could have done better. I feel I have evidence that Drolets may be more "foreign" than just from Spain. Now, I'm not saying Drolets is an alien... As for whether or not Spades hacks - don't care. And here's why. The only possible evidence we have is circumstantial inference based on computer recorded "actions" by a game. They may or may not be accurate whether or not a hack is involved. It's lousy evidence, all around - as someone mentioned, there's no "smoking gun". People that are trying to prove Spades isn't hacking are attempting to prove a negative - there's no way to do so. You can say all you want that this or that is "fishy" or "suspect", but there's no way for anyone to say definitively "that's not a hack". I guess, if someone had a video camera watching the entire computer, Spades' finger movements, mouse movements, and possibly bowel movements, with timestamped and witnessed affidavits handled using chain of custody evidentiary protocol, maybe you could. Even at this late date, a forensic examination of the actual computer for "hacking" software or connections would be useless, as an accuser can just say "it was formatted since then". It's impossible. The only person that can say with absolute accuracy whether or not Spades hacks, is Spades. I don't really need to illuminate how that works, do I? The only solid, 100% undeniable fact that exists in this entire screwy shambles, is that Spades' career has taken a body blow from which it may never recover. The guy has gotten death threats if he shows up at Anaheim. Any potential future earnings he may have had are gone - his reputation has been destroyed and it may have an impact in his life outside of gaming. If the accusations against him are baseless (or at the least, unprovable) he could probably make a decent case for slander (or cyberbullying) in civil court. In which case, legal counsel can subpoena records from TL and find out definitively who this Drolets is. I don't think that'll help, though. + Show Spoiler + ...because you see, Drolets is currently on his ship in lunar orbit laughing his excretory orifices off. It was all done because Spades had noticed something odd, and was investigating something himself. The lights overhead, and strange sounds during tournaments. StarCraft 2 is a way that potential extraterrestrial invaders identify the most dangerous adversaries, and then quietly take them over. Koreans are good because of practice? No, it's because they've been replaced pre-emptively. The visitors have already infiltrated Blizzard, have worked to kill BW, and are slowly ploughing the ground so they can come back and fix the ways we've messed up the world. So, I guess what I'm saying is, really... it's aliens. Thank you for summarizing what I wanted to say. The masses still have no idea of the true identity of drolets. Meanwhile, Illusion, Catz and other pros have risked their reputation by pitching in. If the accusations turned out to be false, then all sorts of shit will rain on these pros, while drolets walks away scot free? | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
And as for callin drolets a whistleblower that's just silly. He exaggerated circumstantial evidence in order to create the illusion that he had something substantial. The real evidence in that thread has come from other people. His post insta-destroyed a career while shielding him from accountability for his hit job. He deserves to be outed. I guess TL has no problem with people making new accounts for risky posts in order to avoid potential ban consequences for their main accounts lol. | ||
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Felnarion
442 Posts
On June 07 2012 23:27 Doodsmack wrote: I have my doubts that anyone other than the mods know who drolets is. If you look at Promethelax and others' previous posts in here they clearly are drawing conclusions based on speculation in order to feel like detectives. Writing style and familiarity with Karont3 is just insufficient evidence to go on. If you look at Spanish players' stream threads there are like ten 1-post accounts that pop up lol. And as for callin drolets a whistleblower that's just silly. He exaggerated circumstantial evidence in order to create the illusion that he had something substantial. The real evidence in that thread has come from other people. His post insta-destroyed a career while shielding him from accountability for his hit job. He deserves to be outed. I guess TL has no problem with people making new accounts for risky posts in order to avoid potential ban consequences for their main accounts lol. Well, someone feels shunned. Yeah, it's insufficient. But when you have Liquipedia edits, exact writing styles, exact spelling similarities, obvious Spanish, motive, reason to hide, using the same words in all posts..You can be reasonably sure. I love how we're doing this "in order to feel like detectives" but meanwhile, Doodsmack here, has been asking us to let him in on it, which we didn't do, because we know all he wants is to tell everyone. | ||
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LorCHsc2
Spain103 Posts
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Felnarion
442 Posts
On June 07 2012 23:41 LorCHsc2 wrote: Im only saying everybody should be carefull about accusations. EVERYBODY. Because my own public image could be damaged because of those accusations. Your public image hasn't been damaged by mention of your name in a 13 page blog on Team Liquid, trust me. If anything, a few extra people know who you are now. | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
On June 07 2012 23:46 Felnarion wrote: Your public image hasn't been damaged by mention of your name in a 13 page blog on Team Liquid, trust me. If anything, a few extra people know who you are now. hey guys we think lorchsc2 is drolets time to get the witchhunt mob together to complain to sponsors or something. oh wait. hes not? well what do we do with our pitchforks now? | ||
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jdsowa
405 Posts
What is the significance of this, you ask? Well, it all started back in the summer of 2004 when I played the WMB qualifier in Guadalajara... | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On June 08 2012 01:30 jdsowa wrote: Note that 'drolets' is 'Ste Lord' backwards. What is the significance of this, you ask? Well, it all started back in the summer of 2004 when I played the WMB qualifier in Guadalajara... It can also be shortened to Dr. Olets which, in Latin could mean the odoriferous doctor. It is also an anagram for STD Pole, Sled Rot, DT Lores, Old Rest, Ret Sold, Lets Rod and Dolt Roe. I've looked into a lot of these believe me. There are a lot of silly things you can do with his name. LorCHsc2: The things I looked at were all public, I didn't do much digging on you. I'm sorry you feel that it was an attack against you or your reputation. I was seriously just looking around through the Spanish scene and its relation to K3 and the TL forums. You came up as someone who had a connection and I followed up on it. I didn't mean to do anything to hurt your character, if this in any way has harmed you I apologize but, in all seriousness I don't see how it could have hurt you. Seriously congratulations on getting pregnant, I hope everything goes well for your family. You have a seriously bad-ass beard which bodes well for you. As you said I have no life right now, my fiance just went out of town, I'm not in school at the moment and I can't legally work in the country I live for another few weeks. So you are right, I have a lot of free time. | ||
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FallenStar
Spain118 Posts
On June 08 2012 01:30 jdsowa wrote: Note that 'drolets' is 'Ste Lord' backwards. What is the significance of this, you ask? Well, it all started back in the summer of 2004 when I played the WMB qualifier in Guadalajara... You already know the people who have read that want to know more, so please, tell us the whole story. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On June 07 2012 19:50 LorCHsc2 wrote: Its really hard NOT TAKING this personal when a lot of people start saying somthing about my own person so... I hope ADMINS do anything they think I repeat, sorry because my english... i cant say a few expressions But im not mad EDIT: I understand everything wroted here, but i have some problems to explain myself... sorry Annnndd the witch-hunting/stupid accusations begin! Man, if only someone had seen this coming. If only someone could have predicted this.... :S Haven't any of you seen that episode of Next Gen? Lol, let's get back to ACTUAL Starcraft? | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On June 07 2012 23:41 LorCHsc2 wrote: Im only saying everybody should be carefull about accusations. EVERYBODY. Because my own public image could be damaged because of those accusations. I'm sorry, you have a public image? The vast majority of the world has no idea who you are, and your anonymity is assured in that respect. I mean, yeah, I'm sure your 233 followers and (highest I see) 450 or so viewers (Twitch; you seem to do a little better on YouTube, and I'll not mention uStream) might give you some measure of public view, but unless you plan on becoming the next -Orb- by saying something in a cast today that will haunt you years down the road when you might actually be able to get on the worldwide stage I'd say you probably are not making a living in eSports, and have that snowball's prayer in hell of ever having it be your career (like the vast majority of casters/players). Also, you're not Drolets. We know this. Nor is there a witch hunt going on in this thread to find Drolets. And even if you were Drolets, there's a small measure of internet fame to be gathered by being the man/woman who single handedly destroyed a pro player's career. Unrelated note - nice website. Very well formatted, and engaging, even if my Spanish is about on par with your English. (Actually, your English is probably better than my Spanish.) | ||
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luciusvlm
Spain134 Posts
Lorch asked in his twitter about replays to cast and i send to him some replays that i played here the email if u want i can screenshots the emails with the dates. When i saw the spades thread i tweet the link to the spanish guys lorch,karont3,lucifron and karont3 manager ryo,i add on skype too ryo and 6 hours later he accepted me and i asked him if he know about the thread and he said " we already know about it" nothing more,im not drolet u can check ip and i havent relationship with lucifron vortix and karont3 just a fan that enjoy e-sports and his national heros ^^ (since w3 :D ) if u want something more about me or about the spanish community just pm me and i will try to answer in my broken english  if u need a translator spanish/english i can help to,i just want the same thing that all the comunity know if spades hack and who posted the proofs,i have a small theory but working in it just now have fun guys!!! | ||
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InSSerenity
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
If not lucifron, is there any other known Spanish progamers that lucifron knows? Or maybe even more troubling and mysterious, as Gheed suspects in his latest investigations, it could even be an arch nemesis of Spades, who has been preparing this evil plan for months. Especially, after reading drolet's original post, you see that he has is much lower caliber of play than lucifron since for example he complains about putting marines in the main in order to defend against an unscouted banshee, though at high level people do that a lot with or without maphacks if they know the opponent could have the tech at that time to do a possible drop or harass. Or he says he's not checking to see if the building at the ramp is a barracks after the scan on shakuras plateau, while you don't need to do that, it's pretty obvious he'll have a barracks there at that point and he could look simply at the minimap. On the other hand, when you suspect someone of hacking, everything will look suspecious to you even if you are a high level player. It is even possible that the OP wrote it using a low level analysis to deflect suspicion, and it was enough to ignite the discussion so it didn't matter how well the analysis he made was good. All those clues draw to a conclusion, I am not 100% sure of it however it might sound very likely to happen. First of all, this couldn't have been done by a single person since as Gheed says: "The showmatch began on Sunday at 21:00 CET and ran for (using the length of the relevant TwitchTV videos as a guide) roughly 2 and a half hours. The OP in question was posted on Monday at 21:22 CET." This means that Lucifron couldn't have posted that by himself since he was busy with the showmatch. He had someone he worked with, and now our "arch nemesis of Spades" comes in, he was planning it for months, he was the one who gave the idea to western wolves to make the showmatch, this means he's a known person from western wolves, but also so that the team doesn't suspects him, he becomes friend with lucifron and tells him about the hacking of Spades. Lucifron agrees to help him to hunt down the hacker, by providing the replay and also quickly posting the text he recieved from this unknown individual to the forum. The main ideas of the text were written long time ago and were well calculated to give an image of a bad english speaking user from spain. As Lucifron is not sure 100% sure that his unknown friend is telling the truth, he decides to post it under anonymity so that this doesn't hurt his image in case Spades is proven innocent. Of course the teamliquid mods won't reveal that it's lucifron and the other guy remains in the shadows. Basically, their plan was so well engineered that we will never know the 100% truth. | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
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shark.
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On June 08 2012 05:22 Adonminus wrote: What if drolets is lucifron himself? If the teamliquid mods know the identify of this user, however they refuse to reveal it. Then it could mean they have a reason to hide his identity which wouldn't be the case if it was just an unknown spanish poster, since there's nothing to hide, he has no reputation and no one knows him, there's no point in protecting a random person we're not familiar with. That means there are reasons to hide his identity, it must be someone known, most probably a pro, it is most likely to be lucifron himself and teamliquid doesn't want to place him into a bad situation by revealing him. If not lucifron, is there any other known Spanish progamers that lucifron knows? Or maybe even more troubling and mysterious, as Gheed suspects in his latest investigations, it could even be an arch nemesis of Spades, who has been preparing this evil plan for months. Especially, after reading drolet's original post, you see that he has is much lower caliber of play than lucifron since for example he complains about putting marines in the main in order to defend against an unscouted banshee, though at high level people do that a lot with or without maphacks if they know the opponent could have the tech at that time to do a possible drop or harass. Or he says he's not checking to see if the building at the ramp is a barracks after the scan on shakuras plateau, while you don't need to do that, it's pretty obvious he'll have a barracks there at that point and he could look simply at the minimap. On the other hand, when you suspect someone of hacking, everything will look suspecious to you even if you are a high level player. It is even possible that the OP wrote it using a low level analysis to deflect suspicion, and it was enough to ignite the discussion so it didn't matter how well the analysis he made was good. All those clues draw to a conclusion, I am not 100% sure of it however it might sound very likely to happen. First of all, this couldn't have been done by a single person since as Gheed says: "The showmatch began on Sunday at 21:00 CET and ran for (using the length of the relevant TwitchTV videos as a guide) roughly 2 and a half hours. The OP in question was posted on Monday at 21:22 CET." This means that Lucifron couldn't have posted that by himself since he was busy with the showmatch. He had someone he worked with, and now our "arch nemesis of Spades" comes in, he was planning it for months, he was the one who gave the idea to western wolves to make the showmatch, this means he's a known person from western wolves, but also so that the team doesn't suspects him, he becomes friend with lucifron and tells him about the hacking of Spades. Lucifron agrees to help him to hunt down the hacker, by providing the replay and also quickly posting the text he recieved from this unknown individual to the forum. The main ideas of the text were written long time ago and were well calculated to give an image of a bad english speaking user from spain. As Lucifron is not sure 100% sure that his unknown friend is telling the truth, he decides to post it under anonymity so that this doesn't hurt his image in case Spades is proven innocent. Of course the teamliquid mods won't reveal that it's lucifron and the other guy remains in the shadows. Basically, their plan was so well engineered that we will never know the 100% truth. I can say with 95% surety that Drolets is not LucifroN. Based on what The TL mods have said and my own research. Believe me I checked that early on and kept going back to it trying to make it work but it doesn't. You have a good theory, one that a lot of us worked on proving. Unfortunately the facts just don't back it up. | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
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