• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:07
CEST 02:07
KST 09:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL23Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30[ASL19] Ro4 Recap : The Peak15
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 19-25): Hindsight is 20/20?0DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack8[BSL20] RO20 Group Stage2EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1)19Weekly Cups (May 12-18): Clem sweeps WardiTV May3
StarCraft 2
General
Karma, Domino Effect, and how it relates to SC2. The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN Can anyone explain to me why u cant veto a matchup
Tourneys
EWC 2025 Regional Qualifiers (May 28-June 1) DreamHack Dallas 2025 Last Chance Qualifiers for OlimoLeague 2024 Winter [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO12 - Group B [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO12 - Group A
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat
Brood War
General
Battle.net is not working BW General Discussion Which player typ excels at which race or match up? Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? Practice Partners (Official)
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET [BSL20] RO20 Group D - Sunday 20:00 CET [BSL20] RO20 Group B - Saturday 20:00 CET
Strategy
[G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Monster Hunter Wilds Beyond All Reason Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread All you football fans (soccer)! European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Yes Sir! How Commanding Impr…
TrAiDoS
Poker
Nebuchad
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13464 users

[EG.net blog] KeSPA, MLG, and You

Blogs > ShiroKaisen
Post a Reply
ShiroKaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1082 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 05:47:10
May 29 2012 05:43 GMT
#1
I wrote a blog over at EvilGeniuses.net about the MLG/KeSPA deal and what it means for us, the fans - as a response to people (like Destiny, FXOBoSs, etc) who have expressed a lot of misgivings and distrust for the organizations and for this deal. Because I think it's awesome and while I understand the concerns, I don't quite see why they've gained so much traction.

If I pasted it here, all my sexy formatting on EG.net would go away. I'll copy paste the main body of the article in a quote here, but over at the mainsite there's quite a bit more - an overview of what KeSPA actually IS (because I feel like most SC2 fans aren't exactly clear on that) and what they mean for SC2, what their presence on the scene means for us, and then go onto what the MLG deal means. And it has formatting and pictures!

http://evilgeniuses.net/kespa-mlg-and-you-what-this-means-for-fans/

KeSPA, MLG, and You

After parting ways with GSL, Major League Gaming partnered with KeSPA as soon as they announced their transition. Though details are vague at the moment, it’s an “exclusive” partnership that aims to facilitate cooperation and player exchange between the two organizations. To kick it off, eight KeSPA players (including the legendary Bisu, Stork, Flash, and Jaedong) will participate in a single elimination showmatch tournament at MLG Anaheim next week. Going forward, however, this deal’s effects could largely shape the direction the global scene takes during the next year.

As the community has duly pointed out ad nauseum, the key word is “exclusive.” KeSPA has chosen MLG as its global partner – with both sides negotiating the deal as one of exclusivity. In short, as of now, KeSPA has sanctioned MLG and the tournaments MLG chooses to negotiate with. Sundance has stated explicitly that he has already begun negotiations with DreamHack and Intel Extreme Masters – so we will likely see KeSPA players in Europe. There is no way KeSPA players would commit to a long-running league on a foreign server, so the NASL is not a part of this discussion. This effectively means that the exclusivity clause is specifically targeted at, and only really affects, IPL.

It’s no secret that MLG and GSL had a falling out, and that IPL wasted no time in partnering with them instead. With the GSTL Finals at IPL4 cementing their relationship, and with MLG and IPL as the most direct competitors in Western eSports, this partnership certainly escalates the inevitable arms race. Both MLG and IPL want to establish themselves as the premiere North American tournament. MLG’s deal with KeSPA draws the lines in the sand…for now. With access to KeSPA’s considerable resources and star power, OGN’s broadcasting, and the already-established relationship with the GSL teams, MLG has certainly positioned itself to retake the crown from IPL and put on the best Western eSports show on the planet. Furthermore, their relationship will allow both IEM and Dreamhack to take advantage of these resources, and will bring foreign players to play in KeSPA tournaments. All a part of this “exclusive” deal.

So I ask you: where’s the wrong in this?

IPL and MLG are competitors. And if there’s one thing that has been proven time and again, it’s that when the largest tournaments compete – you win. If IPL puts on a GSTL finals, MLG gets the KeSPA players to play an exhibition tournament. In response, maybe IPL brings the GSL individual league finals to America for IPL5. And then maybe MLG brings an OSL or Proleague finals to the Autumn Championship. Both tournaments are consistently improving their streaming technology, bringing us the split-screen multi-stream action we’ve come to enjoy. Competition is only a good thing. And really, KeSPA or not, I think an event that pulls a crowd like they had in Las Vegas on Easter Sunday will be just fine.

In Korea, there were two leagues that ran concurrently. Though they had the same players, both were operated by different companies, broadcast on different channels, and had different rules. The MBC Game Starleague and the Ongamenet Starleague existed simultaneously for near a decade, and their competition only made the Korean scene more exciting. Eventually, if through competition and bar-raising, IPL became a tournament the KeSPA players demanded to attend, odds are KeSPA would renegotiate and sanction it. And even if they didn’t, what’s wrong with a little diversity in the player pool? Both GSL players and KeSPA players will be allowed in the Korean tournaments, and foreigners are welcome too thanks to MLG’s deal. If IPL has only GSL players for a while, is that necessarily a bad thing? It just means we’ll see some different faces. It’s not like the KeSPA pros will be significantly better than the GSL pros for years, if ever. This deal isn’t necessarily a long term one. Should MLG and IPL both survive into 2013 or 2014, who knows what could change. After all, MLG’s deal with GSL was hardly permanent. If IPL and MLG developed an OSL/MSL relationship, that could only be awesome.

All in all, I just don’t see the downside to this deal with KeSPA. Some have cried that this trend will encourage tournaments to sign “exclusive” contracts with western teams, but I just don’t see it. What western team would be willing to limit its sponsor exposure so dramatically? These KeSPA sponsors don’t need exposure. KT, SK Telecom, Woongjin, CJ – none of these companies would benefit from Western exposure. A deal like the one with MLG, therefore, doesn’t hurt them. They’re not the same as an Intel, a Steelseries, or a Kingstom HyperX. These companies sponsor Western teams BECAUSE they’ll be at every tournament. Because their logos will be shoved in your face every time you watch any eSports event. If Monster Energy suddenly only got to advertise at MLG’s four Championship events, would Monster be as inclined to sponsor EG? Probably not. And furthermore, most of these teams are multigaming organizations. That kind of deal simply doesn’t make sense.

We’re a long way away from the creation of an NBA, an NFL, or a similar organization. The infrastructure isn’t there. The money isn’t there. This deal with MLG is not the first step towards homogenization. It’s just a continuation of the arms race that began the moment MLG Columbus shattered every record in the book. So I implore you all. Put down your torches and pitchforks. Support all the tournaments. And understand that this deal is AWESOME for you, a viewer. The only ones who should be sweating are the guys at IPL. But as someone who attended IPL4, I can assure you. They’ll be fine.


Agree? Disagree? Think I'm a moron? Tell me!

*****
Dame da na, zenzen dame da ze!
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
May 29 2012 08:52 GMT
#2
i agree with the points but i think the topic is way too overhashed. we'll see what happens as time progresses. i just think it's not that important to talk about but hey i guess some people do.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-29 12:20:22
May 29 2012 12:19 GMT
#3
You haven't been to Korea and you haven't dealt with KESPA firsthand, I believe? FXOBoss has, the various players who have been over there have, IdrA in particular was with KESPA for two years. Whatever their opinions are they are based on actual experiences within the country, the culture, and the organisation which we're talking about.

Yours on the other hand, seem to be basd on speculation and interpretation. If this is indeed the case, I do not think you have added anything new or interesting to the table at all, for me at least.

Thus, I didn't read the article, just skimmed it. It was written purposefully polemic, so I lost interest in doing even that.

vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
May 29 2012 20:31 GMT
#4
It seems like you're the one who doesn't get what "exclusive" means.

MSL and OSL never prohibited their players from playing in each other's leagues. What Kespa is doing is saying, we want you to play OSL, you can't go to MSL. In fact, in the past they've already stopped players from competing in GomTV's BW GSL league and effectively shut that down. If MLG/Kespa become partners, they're probably gonna lock their players out of other leagues that aren't participating partners like IPL/GSL.

So while you, somebody who lives miles far away & has little livelihood involved, speculate about how "it's fine", Korean teams and GOM are very concerned.
Marines > everything
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Road to EWC
22:00
Americas Closed Qualifiers
RotterdaM797
CranKy Ducklings308
EnkiAlexander 101
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 797
CosmosSc2 212
RuFF_SC2 130
Nina 86
ForJumy 13
StarCraft: Brood War
Bonyth 120
Aegong 49
NaDa 25
Shine 19
Icarus 4
Dota 2
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
flusha550
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox519
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3678
Khaldor170
Other Games
tarik_tv8358
summit1g7826
FrodaN5740
ViBE221
C9.Mang0166
kaitlyn43
Maynarde40
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick913
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH255
• davetesta41
• Hupsaiya 30
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 25
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler74
League of Legends
• Doublelift8486
• TFBlade1487
Other Games
• imaqtpie1221
• Shiphtur458
Upcoming Events
Road to EWC
8h 53m
Road to EWC
15h 53m
BSL Season 20
17h 53m
Sziky vs Razz
Sziky vs StRyKeR
Sziky vs DragOn
Sziky vs Tech
Razz vs StRyKeR
Razz vs DragOn
Razz vs Tech
DragOn vs Tech
Online Event
1d 3h
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
Road to EWC
1d 8h
Road to EWC
1d 15h
BSL Season 20
1d 17h
Bonyth vs Doodle
Bonyth vs izu
Bonyth vs MadiNho
Bonyth vs TerrOr
MadiNho vs TerrOr
Doodle vs izu
Doodle vs MadiNho
Doodle vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
5 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-05-28
DreamHack Dallas 2025
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL Season 17: Qualifier 1
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.