EPTDear Diablo 3: What the hell happened? - Page 2
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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oBlade
United States6411 Posts
In D2 you obviously aren't supposed to know your hirelings at all. There's a town in each of the acts (I always wish one act was big enough for two towns or something, with actual friendly NPCs). You don't really care about the potions guy, the armor guy, or the hireling guy, but this is because there are more NPCs to begin with. It doesn't mean you are less interested in the NPCs. Cain is back. Tyrael evokes mystery every time you meet him. Especially the avarice he shows in Act 4 taking all your gold for resurrections. Nihlathak is basically synonymous with traitor. The same problem was in SC2. The first time you do something, it's classic, but if you simply rehash it or make it even more Disney, you've instantly ruined your story by being cliche. The fact that the story isn't necessary to the replay value doesn't mean that D1/D2 didn't get things right about the story. For instance, you also won't replay BW or SC2 for the story, because you know what happens. You're doing it so you can conquer the maps with some new handicap or on a new difficulty or you want some achievement. But you're not doing it entirely for that, it's because you know you felt satisfied that first time when Arcturus left Kerrigan behind and then you beat the shit out of Korhal and Alpha Squadron to escape. I don't know. Rehashing can work, but this jumps out to me as milking. I forgot... the entire mystery of the Dark Wanderer. The glimpse you get in Act 3. This trailer, so well done: | ||
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FlameSworD
United States414 Posts
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Vivax
22409 Posts
Also, not all classes are suited for higher difficulties (most likely WD and barb) and that's a flaw in planning, although i don't know if they just wanted to make it dependant on teamwork. But you can't just make the WD minions useless, come on. Make their hp scale with something.Had to switch to a DH for these reasons, at least it's really fun to play. The overall story is a bit meh, but i found many dialogs to be quite funny.Especially with the companions. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3815 Posts
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
D2 didn't have any boss dialogue and thus didn't have the opportunity be terrible. If you're going to do something, do it right. I preferred D2 more. D3's side content was much better than it's main story. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
Also, OP, please to be reading Gheed's blog - A Polemic Diabo 3 Review. It makes a number of very good points about this specific issue. I mean, it's kindof like complaining that Notch really botched the story in Minecraft. | ||
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surfinbird1
Germany999 Posts
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silentreality
Korea (South)222 Posts
"Stay a while and listen" | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On May 22 2012 18:37 silentreality wrote: All I remember is.. "Stay a while and listen" For me it was Rakanishu !!!!! | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On May 22 2012 18:37 surfinbird1 wrote: To all of the people that say the story doesn't matter in the Diablo series: STOP IT! You are not the only person on this planet who played this fucking game. I, and many others, as can be seen in the countless threads here on TL and everywhere else, do care a great deal about lore and the story of the Diablo universe. So quit trying to trivialise our opinion. It's an opinion for sure, but just saying that all our opinions are invalid (because you don't care about the story) is the worst kind of debating. It's kindergarten level. Story doesn't matter in relation to the gameplay and atmosphere. In that regard, the game was an absolute success. I saw your little speech, but in the end the lore and story are secondary. Not just in my opinion of the game, but for the series as a whole. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
How the hell did he do that? Well all he had to do was die twice, sleep with Adria (the witch from Diablo 1) and conceive a daughter that would have the power to get shit done. This was the winning quote. Oh and I just wanna click SPAM a buncha monsters from hell until a big dude whacks me into a pile on the ground. After that, I want to do that again but from a farther distance and pussying out until the mob becomes thinner. Then get 3,000 mf, lots of sick golds (Goldenrod? Amber?), and flash all that stuff doing crazy things. Just like action movies have very little plot and very big explosions, so does Diablo III have very little plot and very big explosions. I mean have you seen Diablo die? Or a mob with exploding palm? There's even that one that releases a buncha worms when he dies. AWESOME! The preceding post has been written in a heavily sarcastic style. The author has embellished some aspects of his desired gameplay in an attempt to inject humor into the post. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On May 22 2012 18:37 surfinbird1 wrote: To all of the people that say the story doesn't matter in the Diablo series: STOP IT! You are not the only person on this planet who played this fucking game. I, and many others, as can be seen in the countless threads here on TL and everywhere else, do care a great deal about lore and the story of the Diablo universe. So quit trying to trivialise our opinion. It's an opinion for sure, but just saying that all our opinions are invalid (because you don't care about the story) is the worst kind of debating. It's kindergarten level. Then what are you guys whining about? You care about the story and lore in games with bad story and weak lore with very few story elements. In D3, you actually got some real story for that lore you want! Honestly, I just don't see where the critique is coming from. Story sucked in all diablo games and it sucks in the third one apparently, so now everyone is mad because they bought D3 for the story? Wow. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
I remember that in d2 i tried to get through everything faster to find out what happened to the wanderer. In d3 it felt more like "oh god, another pointless cutscene... oh, and it's the trailer they already showed 50 times in their ads... and again it's the enemy telling you exactly where to go and what to do like any good villain would" I also remember enemies of D2 a lot better than those of D3 eventhough i haven't played D2 in maybe 10 years, even minor bosses like Blood Raven. | ||
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Myrddraal
Australia937 Posts
On May 22 2012 13:55 Hungry Cerberus wrote: And that is why the story of Diablo 3 is so terrible. In Diablo 2 you spend every cutscene and moment of the story following the Dark Wander. A hero tortured by his attempt to contain the Lord of Terror who eventually turns into Diablo. You spend every moment chasing the big bad boss man and it makes you feel connected to each location you travel to. You can see how intelligent and all knowing he is by following his actions. In Diablo 3 you do the exact same thing, except Blizzard doesn't let you know what you are doing, leaving you to wander aimlessly killing random demons who get only seconds of story development instead of building to an interesting villain. Hmm, I would say Diablo 3 gives you a different reason to be connected to each area. Act 1 - finding the fallen star, Act 2 - overthrowing the corruption of Belial, Act 3 - fending off the siege of Asmodan, Act 4 - Heaven is being wrecked by Diablo. Seems to me that Blizzard is letting you know exactly what you are doing, unless you mean the fact that you aren't told that you are in fact putting all the pieces in place to revive Diablo as the prime evil, in which case it would be absolutely stupid to tell you what you are doing because that would defeat the purpose of it being a twist. | ||
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Hungry Cerberus
Canada29 Posts
On May 22 2012 21:03 Myrddraal wrote: Hmm, I would say Diablo 3 gives you a different reason to be connected to each area. Act 1 - finding the fallen star, Act 2 - overthrowing the corruption of Belial, Act 3 - fending off the siege of Asmodan, Act 4 - Heaven is being wrecked by Diablo. Seems to me that Blizzard is letting you know exactly what you are doing, unless you mean the fact that you aren't told that you are in fact putting all the pieces in place to revive Diablo as the prime evil, in which case it would be absolutely stupid to tell you what you are doing because that would defeat the purpose of it being a twist. Fair point. My complaint is the game lacks the grand sweeping narrative. In Diablo 2 you are given little pieces of a major plot. In this game I think Blizzard forgot to make Azmodan and Belial seem like major villians. There is no reason you couldn't make them seem like the end all be all of the game and then include the major plot twist. I definately think their are moments of brilliance but they just don't do a good job of setting up an interesting premise for the overall story. The Azmodan cutscene is AMAZING but they wait until the game is mostly over. Great cutscenes are all you really need and Diablo 2 was fantastic at this. Perhaps the actual ingame story wasn't that great but the story of the Dark Wanderer was a great way to build towards the final encounter. Also I feel I need to point out that I should have mentioned the best part of Diablo 3's story. The lore/letters are great and give hints at a deeper backstory. I think those are amazing and I would have given Blizzard more credit for them if they hadn't had years to develop a game that was something more than its predessors. Diablo 3 is a good game, just not the mind blowingly spectacular game that Blizzard needed it to be. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
I remembered Bishibosh! I was so disappointed that Rakanishu made a re-appearance (at least I found his sword but not him yet), but not Bishibosh. Anyway most of these complaints are just nostalgia. D1 and D2 were lightyears ahead of the competition, while the competition is much more stiff for D3. If a player totally new to the Diablo series were to play these previous games, I'm pretty sure he'll go "Dafuq?" | ||
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
On May 22 2012 22:36 Integra wrote: My only question is why the hell do you people spend so much time on a game that you think is bad, not only did you seem to play it through, you even start blogs about it talking about how bad it is. It's insane. I bet he spend just as much time writing this blog as he played the game. I mean, it's obvious that the fun starts after playing it through on normal difficulty. As he states himself, he didn't play on higher, because the story was so dissapointing. This means, that he bought the game for the story, which is like buying HOTS for the story.. come on.. the story is long over. | ||
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Knap4life
Slovenia333 Posts
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