EPTIf you don't give a fuck about esports then that's cool, noone says you have to. If you wanna play the game then play the game, if you wanna watch tournaments then watch tournaments. That's the whole point. It's not complicated at all. The reason why people play and watch Starcraft is because it's fun and they enjoy it, not because they feel it's their obligation to promote some abstract concept of what we think gaming should be like.
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
If you don't give a fuck about esports then that's cool, noone says you have to. If you wanna play the game then play the game, if you wanna watch tournaments then watch tournaments. That's the whole point. It's not complicated at all. The reason why people play and watch Starcraft is because it's fun and they enjoy it, not because they feel it's their obligation to promote some abstract concept of what we think gaming should be like. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10844 Posts
Why the fuck have the people that actaul responded correct to such a crybaby/attention whore gotten warned? | ||
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On May 02 2012 17:20 Jayme wrote: I agree with this guy. I remember some quote from an SC2 developer where he said something along the lines of "we had fun ideas to use but we kicked those ideas out in favor of competitive play." I kinda miss the days where people made games to be fun first and the community is the one that fostered the competitiveness after that. I can't count the number of times people will pay for a subscription they say is SUBPAR on twitch and do it "for esports." What incentive do these people have to make things better when you throw your money at an inferior product? Your money is your voice when things go industrial, remember that. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On May 02 2012 17:34 sheaRZerg wrote: I have similar feelings whenever I watch starcraft 2 competitions. I'm not completely sure why it seems so different than the korean bw scene I have followed for so long. Certainly it existed because of their sponsors and whatnot. Maybe it was a distance thing. Those silly korean comercials weren't targeting me. Maybe its blizzards constant involvement that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I suppose never having to pay to watch bw didn't hurt. The nature of sponsor's involvement in Korea and the west (or Korean SC2) is completely different though. Brood War sponsors are a lot like F1 manufacturers. They have their own teams, the teams and the players directly represent the company, and competing in sports leagues is a matter of prestige and raising the company image. Samsung doesn't invest in the pro team just to (directly) reach a new audience and sell Galaxy Tabs to them. They have a pro team competing under their name to demonstrate that Samsung is competitive and can be successful at everything they do. Brood War (and SF, or other Kespa games) players are athletes who are paid specifically to compete and excel at what they do, and Brood War sponsors genuinely foster competition and the actual sports/athletic aspect of playing Starcraft because it's in their interest to do so. Western esports sponsors are just that - sponsors. Look at the most common suspects - Razer and Steelseries. It's hard to find an "esports" event without their company brand being plastered somewhere - whether on multiple team jerseys, or next to the league logo, or at a booth, etc. They have their eggs in every basket, every other team, every game with even the slightest hint of a competitive scene. But make no mistake, they don't give a shit about gaming other than as an outlet and a perfect target audience to sell overpriced hardware that otherwise very few people would ever be interested in buying. In other words, they're parasites. They want to spread out as much as possible to make sure everyone is aware of them and their products, and that is the limit of their involvement. As a result, Starcraft 2 (or CS or any other game popular in the west) players are paid to make an appearance and get noticed. They're advertising space, they're just a shirt with a brand on it - that is ALL that they are being paid for, and how they go about getting noticed is up to them. This is no way a jab at the actual players - I myself am emotionally invested in a lot of SC2 players (specifically TL ones because I see them as representatives of the community, but many others as well). Nor is any of this to be blamed on the players. But the truth of the matter is that their commitment, passion and hard work is being used just so that their team owners, managers, all the Razers and other sponsors, and all the "content providers" can get exposure for their brands. Then, a few years from now they'll just move on to a different game to appeal to a new audience and ride the marketing wave of new game industry products as the players get left behind to rot and figure out what to do with the rest of their lives. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
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snexwang
Australia224 Posts
What a fucking ridiculous thread. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On May 02 2012 18:52 snexwang wrote: If you don't like, ignore it. If you can't ignore it, leave. What a fucking ridiculous thread. I don't think you're in a position to tell anyone what they can or should do. | ||
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dreamseller
Australia914 Posts
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
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ETisME
12680 Posts
The amount of hate, the self proclaimed justice without providing any argument and simply think he is all correct and almighty. Some people try to argue, thinking they are standing on a higher moral ground but in fact, they aren't even anywhere CLOSE to being on a higher ground. It's so sad to see that a mod on TL would act like this: http://i.imgur.com/Hc23e.png This clearly shows how even a Mod simply cannot understand there are a difference between hate messages and providing a valid argument to prove him wrong. It gives me pain to see how the community, the majority, do NOT provide a valid/well developed argument to counter Destiny's arguments, provoking even more stupid bitch talks. I mean I will probably get banned for this (or maybe this sentence is why I will get banned) but from what I can see, this esport community cannot grow when we do not move on from pitchforking to accepting the scene needs to cater more than just one single group of segment, especially when the market is still very small. Not to mention he wasn't really being racist, down right contacting sponsors and say that supporting him = supporting racist will force sponsor to do something no matter if that is true or not. Contacting Sponsors etc are all just making me so sad and disappointed in the scene that I might just leave these "scene" for now and stick with the korean competitive scene. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
E-SPORTS is killing more than just e-sports. It looks like people want more than just a fun game and a nice community. They want an arena and a platform to push their own views and ideals. The biggest guns are called professionalism and political correctness. As the arena grows so does the calls for bigger weapons. Those who choose not to fight are the first to be shot and thrown aside. | ||
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BrosephBrostar
United States445 Posts
On May 02 2012 18:41 Talin wrote: The nature of sponsor's involvement in Korea and the west (or Korean SC2) is completely different though. Brood War sponsors are a lot like F1 manufacturers. They have their own teams, the teams and the players directly represent the company, and competing in sports leagues is a matter of prestige and raising the company image. Samsung doesn't invest in the pro team just to (directly) reach a new audience and sell Galaxy Tabs to them. They have a pro team competing under their name to demonstrate that Samsung is competitive and can be successful at everything they do. Brood War (and SF, or other Kespa games) players are athletes who are paid specifically to compete and excel at what they do, and Brood War sponsors genuinely foster competition and the actual sports/athletic aspect of playing Starcraft because it's in their interest to do so. Western esports sponsors are just that - sponsors. Look at the most common suspects - Razer and Steelseries. It's hard to find an "esports" event without their company brand being plastered somewhere - whether on multiple team jerseys, or next to the league logo, or at a booth, etc. They have their eggs in every basket, every other team, every game with even the slightest hint of a competitive scene. But make no mistake, they don't give a shit about gaming other than as an outlet and a perfect target audience to sell overpriced hardware that otherwise very few people would ever be interested in buying. In other words, they're parasites. They want to spread out as much as possible to make sure everyone is aware of them and their products, and that is the limit of their involvement. As a result, Starcraft 2 (or CS or any other game popular in the west) players are paid to make an appearance and get noticed. They're advertising space, they're just a shirt with a brand on it - that is ALL that they are being paid for, and how they go about getting noticed is up to them. This is no way a jab at the actual players - I myself am emotionally invested in a lot of SC2 players (specifically TL ones because I see them as representatives of the community, but many others as well). Nor is any of this to be blamed on the players. But the truth of the matter is that their commitment, passion and hard work is being used just so that their team owners, managers, all the Razers and other sponsors, and all the "content providers" can get exposure for their brands. Then, a few years from now they'll just move on to a different game to appeal to a new audience and ride the marketing wave of new game industry products as the players get left behind to rot and figure out what to do with the rest of their lives. 5/5 post would quote again "esports" is a total scam. All you have to do is look at the money. Who benefits the most from it? It sure isn't the players or the fans. | ||
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Peqqz
Germany201 Posts
You dont have to buy a 20€ mount for WoW. You dont have to buy a GomTV subscription. But if you do, you gonna support and help to improve. Im a litte bit sad, that everyone is posting "I totally agree". It like propaganda. LOL | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Even Idra's bm is not genuine anymore ! Nowadays it is just an advertizing trick. Well at least the money isn't fake lol. P-S: Also i hate how it transforms people into dumb fanboys instead of players. But you can't blame Sc2 for that, it started with bw. | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2593 Posts
Its just so different now - the times that Boxer himself wrote in his autobiography and post-SC2. | ||
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Dbars
United States273 Posts
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