EPTI hate esports. - Page 23
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ScienceRob
United States382 Posts
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naVaz
Germany38 Posts
but your really killing esports man. haha didnt read the answers but i guess im no the first to say that  | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
I don't see why, for example, football 'deserves' to be mainstream, but a good, watchable videogame like SC does not. Both are games. Nothing more, nothing less. The only thing seperating them is some weird thought in the back of people's heads that because SC is virtual means it's somehow less 'worthy' than a physical game. | ||
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LamaMitHut
Germany187 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:54 DamageControL wrote: Disclaimer: I do not speak for anyone but myself. I do not hate e-sports. But I hate what e-sports has become. I do not discredit those who have put their work into events; nay, I celebrate them. Their effect is a sight to behold and has become something truly marvelous. What I do hate is the evangelical rhetoric that surrounds the phrase e-sports. People have created an artificial dogma that permeates throughout the boards. There is an illusory ideal that can never be met, or even agreed upon. But this ideal that becomes an all-consuming blight. It blows up, crucifies, witch-hunts, and compunds upon itself, magnifying the slightest ills; it's demanded that casters be fired, players be released, and caused companies to contort their cultures and outlook in order to please the e-sports fanatics. But none of this would be wrong if not for that fact that the phrase "e-sports" was not a sham. People decry the slightest problems as unprofessional. Being unprofessional will lead to less sponsors. Less sponsors will lead to the death of esports as we know it. That chain of causality fails to appreciate the complexity of sponsor decisions and indeed fails to appreciate the complexity of growing a new activity as a whole. In truth there are exactly zero people who know how to make e-sports mainstream. Perhaps it's this sterile, tame, dried out version of e-sports that will thrive and prosper. Perhaps not. I merely believe that we attach far too much importance to a phrase that ultimately promises so little; I don't know where this train ends but neither to the e-sports evangelisists. You are totally right, that group of Esportologists can be pretty annoying, but i just can´t see where they are harming anyone. People like Idra, Naniwa, Huk or Stephano, the most beloved (or hated ^^) players we got, are not sterile at all. Players make manner mules, buildings, or let untis dance at the end of a game. Casters are using mature language, and encourage us to play funmaps/strats. is he: a boring person, just because he don´t say "gook" or "nigger" all the time? is this "tame"? is this song "dried out"? ^^ i could post stuff like this for hours. =) | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
On May 04 2012 19:06 LamaMitHut wrote: You are totally right, that group of Esportologists can be pretty annoying, but i just can´t see where they are harming anyone. People like Idra, Naniwa, Huk or Stephano, the most beloved (or hated ^^) players we got, are not sterile at all. Players make manner mules, buildings, or let untis dance at the end of a game. Casters are using mature language, and encourage us to play funmaps/strats. is he: i could post stuff like this for hours. =) Excellent post- this is precisely what I love about "esports". The rabbid idiots suck, but I love HotbidphotobombspecialtacticsUnidenwhydidyoumoveyourunitstrumpets. | ||
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Jealous
10398 Posts
On May 04 2012 20:00 Monsen wrote: Excellent post- this is precisely what I love about "esports". The rabbid idiots suck, but I love HotbidphotobombspecialtacticsUnidenwhydidyoumoveyourunitstrumpets. Things such as that existed for a long time on this site before the ridiculous "esports" trend and the wave of idiots that blindly supports it. | ||
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LamaMitHut
Germany187 Posts
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DKR
United Kingdom622 Posts
On May 02 2012 12:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote: What a retarded thread lol It's like whining about professional soccer destroying your ability to kick a ball around with your friends. Esports evangelicism can be annoying as fuck, I dont disagree, but your post is silly. First sensible thing to be said | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
more yes men. | ||
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quickclickz
United States81 Posts
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On May 04 2012 19:02 Thorakh wrote: I can't help but feel this is just someone ranting on a personal hobby that they don't want to go 'mainstream'. I don't see why, for example, football 'deserves' to be mainstream, but a good, watchable videogame like SC does not. Both are games. Nothing more, nothing less. The only thing seperating them is some weird thought in the back of people's heads that because SC is virtual means it's somehow less 'worthy' than a physical game. Football deserves to be mainstream because it is a sport in which the worse team can win against the better team much more than in most sports, so everybody has a chance, everybody is having fun, everybody wants to cheer for someone. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On May 04 2012 19:06 LamaMitHut wrote: You are totally right, that group of Esportologists can be pretty annoying, but i just can´t see where they are harming anyone. People like Idra, Naniwa, Huk or Stephano, the most beloved (or hated ^^) players we got, are not sterile at all. Players make manner mules, buildings, or let untis dance at the end of a game. Casters are using mature language, and encourage us to play funmaps/strats. i could post stuff like this for hours. =) I don't really like Destiny. In fact, I think his racist tendencies are obnoxious and that he has so many fans saddens me. I also don't mean that our version of e-sports is tame. I mean the "esportvangelisists" vision is tame. Look at your list. Yes, the song showed creativity. Yes the casters still have personality. But if they show to much personality they are blamed for unprofessional behavior. And that stripper? You don't remember how infuriated people were? how people declared that we'd never get sponsors as a result? I love the community. But I hate how people take our dream of mainstream gaming prisoner and use it against us, asking: "Don't you want e-sports?" | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On May 04 2012 16:54 DamageControL wrote: Disclaimer: I do not speak for anyone but myself. I do not hate e-sports. But I hate what e-sports has become. I do not discredit those who have put their work into events; nay, I celebrate them. Their effect is a sight to behold and has become something truly marvelous. What I do hate is the evangelical rhetoric that surrounds the phrase e-sports. People have created an artificial dogma that permeates throughout the boards. There is an illusory ideal that can never be met, or even agreed upon. But this ideal that becomes an all-consuming blight. It blows up, crucifies, witch-hunts, and compunds upon itself, magnifying the slightest ills; it's demanded that casters be fired, players be released, and caused companies to contort their cultures and outlook in order to please the e-sports fanatics. But none of this would be wrong if not for that fact that the phrase "e-sports" was not a sham. People decry the slightest problems as unprofessional. Being unprofessional will lead to less sponsors. Less sponsors will lead to the death of esports as we know it. That chain of causality fails to appreciate the complexity of sponsor decisions and indeed fails to appreciate the complexity of growing a new activity as a whole. In truth there are exactly zero people who know how to make e-sports mainstream. Perhaps it's this sterile, tame, dried out version of e-sports that will thrive and prosper. Perhaps not. I merely believe that we attach far too much importance to a phrase that ultimately promises so little; I don't know where this train ends but neither to the e-sports evangelisists. This and the OP summarize my thoughts perfectly. Thank you. | ||
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d00p
711 Posts
On May 05 2012 00:28 DamageControL wrote: And that stripper? You don't remember how infuriated people were? how people declared that we'd never get sponsors as a result? Shit I totally missed that one. God I hate "ESPORTS"! Btw the OP is filled with so much truth. | ||
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
Sometimes it's just like shut up, I'm totally happy with what we have right now, I could care less if the scene didn't get any bigger than it is right now. | ||
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
On May 02 2012 10:20 Gheed wrote: As I said in my post in that thread, which I assume was buried in less than a second, if Quantic does the reasonable thing and does not do shit, then I'm buying a shirt or a hoodie from them. So, about that... | ||
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Schandro
57 Posts
On May 04 2012 08:07 MaGariShun wrote: Yeah man, if you don't like things how I like them, you can fuck off! what a poor guy you are. Your not even able to read. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On May 04 2012 19:02 Thorakh wrote: I don't see why, for example, football 'deserves' to be mainstream, but a good, watchable videogame like SC does not. Both are games. Nothing more, nothing less. The only thing seperating them is some weird thought in the back of people's heads that because SC is virtual means it's somehow less 'worthy' than a physical game. How about the part where football has hundreds of years of history and tradition, and there are places where it's a part of national culture? And most of this history comes BEFORE all the big sponsors, media and money came in (which happened only in the last 30 or 40 years). For most of its history, there was virtually no money in football. Assuming you're talking about the actual football, not handegg of course. When Starcraft 2 is a hundred, nay, just TEN years old (say pro BW age) and if people still happen to play it and enjoy competing in it, I'll start a campaign myself to introduce it as an Olympic sport or esport or whatever you want. But we all know that is never going to happen. Western "esports" is just a sponsor-driven marketing scheme that will hop from one video game to the other and never give a single one of them enough legitimacy to be rightfully called a sport. A sport is a game that grows organically and gains in players and popularity regardless of how much media attention it gets. Without that, there is ZERO long term potential and zero chance of the competition ever reaching a serious enough level. And SC2 even with all the media attention it gets is losing players by the day. That's actually the ONE thing that people could do to really help Starcraft grow into a sport - play the fucking game. Seriously, just by being a player they'd be helping out more than getting involved in esportvangelical mobs, creating "content", giving MLG money, watching streams, etc. Just one more active SC2 1v1 player is worth more than all of that. But alas, no, we now have "the ladder anxiety syndrome", or in other words, we're being pussies and cop out of playing the game we claim to be so passionate about and involved in (yes, I'm guilty of that myself, although I'm not particularly passionate to begin with so there's that too). Being a fan and watching the game and acting important on forums is SO much easier and more fun. -_- Guess what, ultimately, at some point, nobody will care about a game that nobody plays even if everything else is perfect. | ||
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vasculaR
Malaysia791 Posts
That's right.. we still can. | ||
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