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On May 04 2012 05:26 jeeeeohn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 05:19 Clandrone wrote:
"While different opinions are welcome, please try to keep debate civil. Flaming is unacceptable on these forums, and ad hominem attacks are not appreciated."
Please tell that to Gheed, Empyrean, his entire blog is flaming those who put their blood, sweat, tears, time, and money into the esports scene. Warn him to show a little respect please. All I ask is equality. This is the quintissential ESPORTS evangelical. Here's a thought: Starcraft 2 is just a game. Think about that for a moment, what that sentence means. Just a game. It's not a movement. It's not even a "scene." It's a video game that you play or watch primarily for fun. I can't even fathom any other reason to play a game, or have interest in it in the first place. The whole thing just blows my mind. I need to get off TeamLiquid for a while. Can a mod ban me for two weeks? (I actually need to focus on other things right now, and the above post is just one example why, besides being busy.) God bless everyone, have fun gl gg.
exactly this is the point, why gheeds OP is so absurd. why do you even CARE about the "esport movement", if sc2 is "just a game" for you?
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On May 04 2012 05:23 LamaMitHut wrote:Show nested quote +. Gheed dislikes "E-Sports"- the drama, the bullshit, the taking everything way too seriously, the taking of oneself way too seriously. so why is he taking this topic so serious?
Because burying your head in the sand and ignoring it doesn't change the fact that it has an effect on competitive gaming.
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and now!? for some people (like me) sc2 will always be just a game, even if esports is happening.
why? because it is still just a game (like soccer or basketball) for me, and same counts for many other guys in the world.
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On May 04 2012 05:47 LamaMitHut wrote:
and now!? for some people (like me) sc2 will always be just a game, even if esports is happening.
why? because it is still just a game (like soccer or basketball) for me, and same counts for many other guys in the world.
What? Can you try forming a coherent point?
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my point is: sc2 is just a game, like broodwar or soccer. so stop bitching around about guys who think it is a sport.
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So nice to read that I'm not the only person who can't stand this phrase. I feel like I'd be banned for saying this anywhere outside of this thread on TL...
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On May 04 2012 00:35 Sejanus wrote:Who are you again, talking in the name of esports?
I said something that everyone with a sense for logic would said. If you dont like something, dont participate in it.
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On May 04 2012 07:37 Schandro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 00:35 Sejanus wrote:
You are hating esports? fine, go away, we wont miss you.
Who are you again, talking in the name of esports? I said something that everyone with a sense for logic would said. If you dont like something, dont participate in it.
Yeah man, if you don't like things how I like them, you can fuck off!
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Gheed stop killing esports.
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Has it occurred to the OP that maybe people actually have more fun watching professional casters and events? I don't see why people who like watching manchildren throw around racial slurs like candy have the monopoly on fun. I have more fun watching standard mainstream sport's coverage than say Destiny's stream. I agree that its wrong to ask other people to stop watching Destiny just so the thing that I like can be bigger, but it's equally as wrong to ask people to stop liking big prize pools and casters in suits because that's getting in the way of people being able to say "nigger" 3 times a sentence. I'm getting sort of tired of all the "esports" anti-fans pretending like anyone who prefers professional casting is somehow intentionally sacrificing their own fun. No, we just legitimately like it better. There's a fine line at getting annoyed when someone tells you to stop liking the thing you like "for the greater good" (which does happen, granted) and getting annoyed when someone merely prefers a different style of presentation than you.
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I don't know why You hated that destiny post so much. He was acting like a dickhead and deserved to be called out for it. You can claim a lot of people are too sensitive, and while that may be true, I think it's great that people are trying to stop that kind of behavior, because it's unacceptable behavior, weather you're an esports representative, actual sports representative, or some shitkicker in a bar who runs his mouth when he's had a few too many. If you claim that that kind of thing really isn't a big deal, go call a couple random asian people you meet chinks or gooks or whatever else and see if it doesn't hurt their feelings or make them mad (or call a black person a nigger, or a latino a spic, etc, etc). The truth is that while you may not think it's a big deal, it is to them, and you're never going to know until you get put in that same situation, and I think it's good that we shun people who are ignorant enough to think that it's ok because he didn't really mean it.That kind of language and sentiment shouldn't be acceptable anywhere, and I think it's really immature to brush it off with "he was just mad" or "he's just playing a game"
As to the esports fanaticism, I think that's obviously bad in a lot of cases and really annoying. However, I agree with the aforementioned post by Jinro, letting that ruin your experience is like saying a professional sport hurts your ability to play a sport casually. Don't post in "esports" threads if you don't like "esports" topics. That's what I do.
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This is a beautiful post.
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yeah i agree, its fun to be all like GO ESPORTS! but honestly I'm not actually having fun with the game when all that is going on.
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On the outside, I have no problems with people taking a video game so seriously it comes to the point of making a career out of it. It is their choice, and it is no less senseless to cheer for 22 players kick a ball around a grass field.
On the inside, I would never want to be that person.
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On May 04 2012 05:38 LamaMitHut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 05:26 jeeeeohn wrote:On May 04 2012 05:19 Clandrone wrote:
"While different opinions are welcome, please try to keep debate civil. Flaming is unacceptable on these forums, and ad hominem attacks are not appreciated."
Please tell that to Gheed, Empyrean, his entire blog is flaming those who put their blood, sweat, tears, time, and money into the esports scene. Warn him to show a little respect please. All I ask is equality. This is the quintissential ESPORTS evangelical. Here's a thought: Starcraft 2 is just a game. Think about that for a moment, what that sentence means. Just a game. It's not a movement. It's not even a "scene." It's a video game that you play or watch primarily for fun. I can't even fathom any other reason to play a game, or have interest in it in the first place. The whole thing just blows my mind. I need to get off TeamLiquid for a while. Can a mod ban me for two weeks? (I actually need to focus on other things right now, and the above post is just one example why, besides being busy.) God bless everyone, have fun gl gg. exactly this is the point, why gheeds OP is so absurd. why do you even CARE about the "esport movement", if sc2 is "just a game" for you? XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Because the very idea of it is flawed and ridiculous. This Utopia you guys dream about between gamer enthusiasts doesn't exist. We come from all different walks of life and have different tastes when it comes to not only what we play, but how we play it and why.
*flicks fingers*
Welcome back to reality.
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Wonderful blog, you have captured how I feel from all this nonsense and how this "community" acts. Thank you.
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I honestly miss the days when ESPORTS was a funny joke.
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On May 04 2012 05:38 LamaMitHut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 05:26 jeeeeohn wrote:On May 04 2012 05:19 Clandrone wrote:
"While different opinions are welcome, please try to keep debate civil. Flaming is unacceptable on these forums, and ad hominem attacks are not appreciated."
Please tell that to Gheed, Empyrean, his entire blog is flaming those who put their blood, sweat, tears, time, and money into the esports scene. Warn him to show a little respect please. All I ask is equality. This is the quintissential ESPORTS evangelical. Here's a thought: Starcraft 2 is just a game. Think about that for a moment, what that sentence means. Just a game. It's not a movement. It's not even a "scene." It's a video game that you play or watch primarily for fun. I can't even fathom any other reason to play a game, or have interest in it in the first place. The whole thing just blows my mind. I need to get off TeamLiquid for a while. Can a mod ban me for two weeks? (I actually need to focus on other things right now, and the above post is just one example why, besides being busy.) God bless everyone, have fun gl gg. exactly this is the point, why gheeds OP is so absurd. why do you even CARE about the "esport movement", if sc2 is "just a game" for you? XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Disclaimer: I do not speak for anyone but myself.
I do not hate e-sports. But I hate what e-sports has become. I do not discredit those who have put their work into events; nay, I celebrate them. Their effect is a sight to behold and has become something truly marvelous.
What I do hate is the evangelical rhetoric that surrounds the phrase e-sports. People have created an artificial dogma that permeates throughout the boards. There is an illusory ideal that can never be met, or even agreed upon. But this ideal that becomes an all-consuming blight. It blows up, crucifies, witch-hunts, and compunds upon itself, magnifying the slightest ills; it's demanded that casters be fired, players be released, and caused companies to contort their cultures and outlook in order to please the e-sports fanatics.
But none of this would be wrong if not for that fact that the phrase "e-sports" was not a sham. People decry the slightest problems as unprofessional. Being unprofessional will lead to less sponsors. Less sponsors will lead to the death of esports as we know it. That chain of causality fails to appreciate the complexity of sponsor decisions and indeed fails to appreciate the complexity of growing a new activity as a whole. In truth there are exactly zero people who know how to make e-sports mainstream. Perhaps it's this sterile, tame, dried out version of e-sports that will thrive and prosper. Perhaps not. I merely believe that we attach far too much importance to a phrase that ultimately promises so little; I don't know where this train ends but neither to the e-sports evangelisists.
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i love esport SO much its not even writeable so everyone has his own thinking
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