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This is a well written viewpoint that is easy to get behind and sympathize with. Really great post ^_^
I think elements of this are best reflected when we see pro players in environments like Homestory cup. Even though it's technically an esport event, there's alot less bullshit in the air and we get to see the purest form of enjoyment when players look legitimately happy to be playing the game they love.
We gained alot with the growth of the community in SC2 and I personally hope that continues to grow, but the more it grows, the more it seems we lose in the process. Plain and simple enjoyment of playing seems to be one of those things lost.
Ultimately what got us here is our enjoyment of just, playing the game.
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Urhm...
Well I like just having more people watch the same thing with me.
But disregarding sportsE, what exactly are we trying to protect when we set up rules and regulations for behaviors in non-tournament settings?
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Fuck you guys for trying to elevate the things you love to greater heights.
Bastards.
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On May 03 2012 05:33 MaGariShun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 05:27 captainobvious wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Wow, you are a spectacular kind of idiot. One most people would not come across in their entire lifetime. There are not enough words in the English language to describe how much of an idiot you are. That said, I do kind of agree people over-exaggerate the "killing of e-sports", however now with kespa picking up Starcraft 2 and eventually switching over to it, Starcraft 2 as a SPORT is going to get bigger and bigger, even though this clearly causes you to have anger issues. Oh well, mads will be mad. Don't like Starcraft 2 being considered a "sport"? Too bad - it's much more than a game, your options are get over it and continue playing/watching it, or don't play it and whine about it on forums. Starcraft 2 is not perfect but I have confidence Blizzard will make it more and more balanced and a better game. It DOES deserve the title of "sport" simply because of the huge fan base treating it as such, plus the fact it has a very large skill gap just like traditional sports. You may not like e-sports, but it is the way of the future. Why would you call him an "idiot" for telling his opinion?
To be honest i usually stop readings people post if they have something like "Idiot, retard etc,," in the first sentence. Its easy to tell their argument will be pointless and a lot of finger pointing and arguments that will just in general make my head hurt.
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On May 03 2012 06:00 DreamChaser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 05:33 MaGariShun wrote:On May 03 2012 05:27 captainobvious wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Wow, you are a spectacular kind of idiot. One most people would not come across in their entire lifetime. There are not enough words in the English language to describe how much of an idiot you are. That said, I do kind of agree people over-exaggerate the "killing of e-sports", however now with kespa picking up Starcraft 2 and eventually switching over to it, Starcraft 2 as a SPORT is going to get bigger and bigger, even though this clearly causes you to have anger issues. Oh well, mads will be mad. Don't like Starcraft 2 being considered a "sport"? Too bad - it's much more than a game, your options are get over it and continue playing/watching it, or don't play it and whine about it on forums. Starcraft 2 is not perfect but I have confidence Blizzard will make it more and more balanced and a better game. It DOES deserve the title of "sport" simply because of the huge fan base treating it as such, plus the fact it has a very large skill gap just like traditional sports. You may not like e-sports, but it is the way of the future. Why would you call him an "idiot" for telling his opinion? To be honest i usually stop readings people post if they have something like "Idiot, retard etc,," in the first sentence. Its easy to tell their argument will be pointless and a lot of finger pointing and arguments that will just in general make my head hurt.
I guess I somehow always hope it would end in some sort of all resolving irony.
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I've tried to get to the bottom as to why esports seems so shitty.
Here's my theory.
A good majority of the user base are nerds. They were probably bullied as children and now they have an opportunity to be the bullies and it feels empowering. If you look up the definition of bully you'll see it's actually a perfect word for what's going on.
The saddest part though, is unlike those bullies we encountered in elementary school, we don't realize we're being bullies and then add group think to the equation and BAM, we got the SC2 community in a nutshell.
I personally find it entertaining as hell. People are too full of themselves.
What esports needs is more media involvement. TL is where we get all our SC2 news... could you imagine what America would be like if the only news outlet was the White House?
We need press conferences after events. The media would keep everyone in check. Could you imagine if the AP released a story about IdrA calling someone a 'faggot'? Sponsorships would be lost and everyone would have to act like they should: professionally.
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Great blog! 5 stars, I couldn't have said it better myself.
I do wish to tell you that even if you receive a lot of flack for this blog post, remember that your opinion is shared by many.
Stay strong and play more single player games 
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Y'know what Gheed?
I get it. You're killing ESPORTS. (People that don't type it all in caps are also killing ESPORTS.) And if you want to fuck ESPORTS - great. There's actually this blog post about it... funny as hell. I'd look it up, but I gotta skate so I'm keeping it brief.
I think there's two things... there's playing video games and having fun. It's great. Everyone down there in bronze? Yeah, they're not in it for ESPORTS, they're in it to play a game and have fun. Hell, there are people in GM that don't give a damn about ESPORTS. They're not playing competitively - they want to have fun. (They're just so good they need to play pros to have fun - everyone else is a ROFLSTOMP.) Then there is ESPORTS, this mecca of money and glamour and kpop girlfriends and such. (I blame InControl and White Ra. They are about the ESPORTS, they make money, and they both have incredible fiance/wife. Seriously, man? Miss America? C'mon. Don't set the bar too low.) The fun players are probably not all that interested in ESPORTS other than as another avenue of fun. Like people that have favorite sports teams, or that get really into tennis or competitive ballroom dancing.
Are people going crazy about Destiny and how he "represents" the community to the outside world, that he maybe killing ESPORTS? Yeah. Should they? That's a different question, and it has absolutely fuck all to do with ESPORTS. (I have my own opinion, but y'know what? It's mine, you can't have it.)
Your writing and honesty, Gheed, are as good as ever. Great blog. Don't let the 1% get you down man. We still need someone probing the depths of the 99% to find out what the hell is happening in the bronze league.
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I totally agree. Fucking hate it that Blizzard made SC2 to be an Esport. They should just make video games like they did in all their other games, make it fun, then balance it. I really hope they start doing this in the future so that people, who have Sc2 as their first RTS, actually can see what kind of quality of games they actually can produce.
I think D3 is not made to be an Esport which, if that is true, will hopefully make it a really good game, at least that is what I think.
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oh god, SO true. Didn't agree with any post i've read in the last few month as much as with this one.
fuck esports, let's play some games
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Gheed, every-time I read one of your posts I cry a little knowing I could be as articulate or intelligent as you.
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I disagree wholeheartedly. I am no slave to e-sports. I pay money for MLG pay-per-view because it is worth the value to me. I try and help the community grow because I love it. I enjoy the fact that there is a way for people to make a living by playing video games. I dreamed growing up that one day I would be making money by beating others at video games. I did not fulfill that dream, but I can live it vicariously through SC2 pros. I used to watch football all the time, now I hardly ever do. I would rather watch SC2 or LoL. I love e-sports.
If you dislike that the word is used only to create hype and "make" people do stuff for the good of e-sports, I get that. If you want Starcraft 2 to die because it's popular and you are a starcraft hipster and liked it before it got all cool and trendy, then that is childish. Not targeting the OP only here, but mainly the responses I see in this thread.
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Oh by the way, it's rather funny ridiculous ironic how some posters in this thread naturally assume that hardcore fans are in it for esports, which I suppose puts the rest of us in the "casual" fan category of some sort.
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>trying as hard as humanly possible not to offend anyone. We're like the fucking Mormons!
>We would just enjoy ourselves.
It cuts both ways.
Believe it or not I have a lot MORE fun when my opponents on ladder are NOT constantly going "EZ EZ EZ Faggot Faggot Faggot Faggot U mad bro? U mad bro? U mad bro?" and trying to generally incite as much rage as they can. Yet this is seen as the cool, badass, BM thing to do now.
This has nothing to do with esports. After I run into an opponent like that that I start to question why the fuck am I hanging out in this toxic community in the first place.
Acting like an asshole is not the 'life' of the starcraft community.
If deliberately calling people gooks, faggots, niggers, to be as hurtful as possible with your insults is 'gaming culture' then fuck gaming culture.
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Killing esports? How can you kill that which has no life?
By the way you are all accomplices to murder and I've notified the authorities. Enjoy your stay in Browder's purgatory.
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On May 03 2012 06:26 oniman999 wrote:
I disagree wholeheartedly. I am no slave to e-sports. I pay money for MLG pay-per-view because it is worth the value to me. I try and help the community grow because I love it. I enjoy the fact that there is a way for people to make a living by playing video games. I dreamed growing up that one day I would be making money by beating others at video games. I did not fulfill that dream, but I can live it vicariously through SC2 pros. I used to watch football all the time, now I hardly ever do. I would rather watch SC2 or LoL. I love e-sports.
If you dislike that the word is used only to create hype and "make" people do stuff for the good of e-sports, I get that. If you want Starcraft 2 to die because it's popular and you are a starcraft hipster and liked it before it got all cool and trendy, then that is childish. Not targeting the OP only here, but mainly the responses I see in this thread.
I was going to write a similar response, but you beat me to it. I love watching MLG/GSL etc., I pay money b/c it's definitely worth it to me (way more bang for the buck than going out to a movie, for example). <3 esports
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Hello, former brood-war player here and member of the fighting game community. I'd like to say that OP's post largely echoes the prevalent attitude of the FGC towards embracing "eSports". I'm glad we're not the only ones opposed to this hyper-capitalistic idea of the 'eSports' industry and its rapid growth at the expense of preserving gaming culture. Kudos to you OP.
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Silly nostalgiafags..
User was banned for this post.
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While I don't necessarily disagree with the notion of ESPORTS, i just feel as though we are artificially prolonging the existance of starcraft 2.
Blowing life into an existance that should be dead. The developement of its competitive life feels so unnatural, and every one knows it. Right now, the existance of the korean scene is simply keeping it alive, and it feels stale.
I'll go hang out in the dota 2 forum and have fun instead of the starcraft scene, which doesn't feel very fun anymore.
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I don't agree with everything in this blog, but I sympathize with the general idea. Red carpets, suits for commentators, millions of dollars in prize money? We're playing and watching a video game. This should be about fun.
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