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Buying some headphones, need help with amplifier!

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Josh-FiveO
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Denmark174 Posts
April 25 2012 18:32 GMT
#1
Hey guys.

I am going to buy some headphones, I am going for Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro - 250 OHM.

I have also been looking for amps. Right now I am looking at an Fiio e11 as I only hear good about it + it's portable. I hear people talking about DAC too, what is that, and do I need it?

Also, I am going to be listening to music on my laptop until I get my ipod back from reperation, which means 1+ month. When you buy an e11 from amazon, do you get a cable to connect the amp to the pc?

Thanks ^^

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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
April 25 2012 18:39 GMT
#2
A lot of people are going to flame me for saying it, but save your money and avoid audiophile non-sense. Unless you get your headphones are they aren't loud enough at max volume or you hear feedback/buzzing, you do not need a dedicated amplifier. That will never happen unless you have terrible hearing / are destroying your hearing. Most modern mp3 players have very competent amplifiers and Digital Audio Converters (yes that's what that means. It's not magic).

It's possible your laptop has a really crappy amplifier and DAC since hey it's a laptop it's not really meant for that, but I would test it first These days it's very easy to create a competent DAC and amplifier, so your laptop would have to be pretty sketch or old.

Don't bother quoting ohms. There are people who believe that higher ohms makes a significant impact on the amount of power you need, but they're pretty much wrong. Sometimes really low ohms can be an indicator that the earphones will be extremely sensitive and buzz with a poor quality amplifier.
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Hong Kong4685 Posts
April 25 2012 18:43 GMT
#3
Wait for ODAC+O2 combo http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2012/04/odac-released.html
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itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9165 Posts
April 25 2012 18:44 GMT
#4
Take a look at this huge thread TL has about the subject:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168585
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Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
April 25 2012 18:45 GMT
#5
On April 26 2012 03:39 Chef wrote:
A lot of people are going to flame me for saying it, but save your money and avoid audiophile non-sense. Unless you get your headphones are they aren't loud enough at max volume or you hear feedback/buzzing, you do not need a dedicated amplifier. That will never happen unless you have terrible hearing / are destroying your hearing. Most modern mp3 players have very competent amplifiers and Digital Audio Converters (yes that's what that means. It's not magic).

It's possible your laptop has a really crappy amplifier and DAC since hey it's a laptop it's not really meant for that, but I would test it first These days it's very easy to create a competent DAC and amplifier, so your laptop would have to be pretty sketch or old.

Don't bother quoting ohms. There are people who believe that higher ohms makes a significant impact on the amount of power you need, but they're pretty much wrong. Sometimes really low ohms can be an indicator that the earphones will be extremely sensitive and buzz with a poor quality amplifier.


Just no... the difference between my high end cans and my mp3 player is so huge (unfortunately I can't bring my high end cans to the gym with me).

The real question is how much the OP values better sound.
kineSiS-
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Korea (South)1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 05:09:44
April 26 2012 05:08 GMT
#6
On April 26 2012 03:39 Chef wrote:
A lot of people are going to flame me for saying it, but save your money and avoid audiophile non-sense. Unless you get your headphones are they aren't loud enough at max volume or you hear feedback/buzzing, you do not need a dedicated amplifier. That will never happen unless you have terrible hearing / are destroying your hearing. Most modern mp3 players have very competent amplifiers and Digital Audio Converters (yes that's what that means. It's not magic).

It's possible your laptop has a really crappy amplifier and DAC since hey it's a laptop it's not really meant for that, but I would test it first These days it's very easy to create a competent DAC and amplifier, so your laptop would have to be pretty sketch or old.

Don't bother quoting ohms. There are people who believe that higher ohms makes a significant impact on the amount of power you need, but they're pretty much wrong. Sometimes really low ohms can be an indicator that the earphones will be extremely sensitive and buzz with a poor quality amplifier.


It's true, a statistic stating that the headphone has x ohms does not necessarily mean it is easy or hard to drive. But that in accordance with its sensitivity will give a general sense of whether or not an amplifier is needed to drive the headphones and give enough power to allow the headphone to perform at its full potential. You're purchasing a "semi-portable" headphone and purchasing the 250ohm version so yes a FiiO E11 on High Gain would definitely help out. Laptop soundcards and the internal amplifiers in modern ("hot") DAP's like the iPod are not good enough for full-sized headphones like those that you're purchasing.

I would have to disagree with Chef, and he probably hasn't experienced headphones such as... the LCD-2 and other Orthodynamics, which require an insane amount of wattage to power.

Edit: If you want a DAC/AMP combo that can be used portably AND on the go I would consider either the E7/E17/Leckerton Audio UHA-4. Personally, I prefer the E17, it has the best combination of looks, power, and price: performance ratio.
Josh-FiveO
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Denmark174 Posts
April 26 2012 05:23 GMT
#7
It's true, a statistic stating that the headphone has x ohms does not necessarily mean it is easy or hard to drive. But that in accordance with its sensitivity will give a general sense of whether or not an amplifier is needed to drive the headphones and give enough power to allow the headphone to perform at its full potential. You're purchasing a "semi-portable" headphone and purchasing the 250ohm version so yes a FiiO E11 on High Gain would definitely help out. Laptop soundcards and the internal amplifiers in modern ("hot") DAP's like the iPod are not good enough for full-sized headphones like those that you're purchasing.

I would have to disagree with Chef, and he probably hasn't experienced headphones such as... the LCD-2 and other Orthodynamics, which require an insane amount of wattage to power.

Edit: If you want a DAC/AMP combo that can be used portably AND on the go I would consider either the E7/E17/Leckerton Audio UHA-4. Personally, I prefer the E17, it has the best combination of looks, power, and price: performance ratio.


Thanks, just the info I needed ^^
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Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
April 26 2012 05:33 GMT
#8
On April 26 2012 03:39 Chef wrote:
A lot of people are going to flame me for saying it, but save your money and avoid audiophile non-sense. Unless you get your headphones are they aren't loud enough at max volume or you hear feedback/buzzing, you do not need a dedicated amplifier. That will never happen unless you have terrible hearing / are destroying your hearing. Most modern mp3 players have very competent amplifiers and Digital Audio Converters (yes that's what that means. It's not magic).

It's possible your laptop has a really crappy amplifier and DAC since hey it's a laptop it's not really meant for that, but I would test it first These days it's very easy to create a competent DAC and amplifier, so your laptop would have to be pretty sketch or old.

Don't bother quoting ohms. There are people who believe that higher ohms makes a significant impact on the amount of power you need, but they're pretty much wrong. Sometimes really low ohms can be an indicator that the earphones will be extremely sensitive and buzz with a poor quality amplifier.


The guy obviously looked up what some of this stuff is, at least in some cursory detail, it probably means he intends to be an audiophile, don't go telling him it's non-sense if he enjoys it and wants some tips on it.
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kineSiS-
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Korea (South)1068 Posts
April 27 2012 00:43 GMT
#9
No problemo sir. Glad to help!
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