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On April 10 2012 23:34 Kukaracha wrote:
I call my Asian friends "yellow people" and my portugese friend "Chewbacca".
The day people will stop making such a fuss about "racism", racism will disappear. Racism is ignorance, and yes, people are ignorant, have always been, and will always be. Period.
Let ESPN say whatever they want, for God's sake.
If racism is ignorance and you want people to stop "making such a fuss about 'racism'", are you saying you want people to stop making such a kerfuffle about other people being ignorant?
Part of the problem is indeed ignorance, and the thing about ignorance is that it will not go away if you simply try to brush the matter aside.
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On April 11 2012 02:31 fishuu wrote:
If racism is ignorance and you want people to stop "making such a fuss about 'racism'", are you saying you want people to stop making such a kerfuffle about other people being ignorant?
Part of the problem is indeed ignorance, and the thing about ignorance is that it will not go away if you simply try to brush the matter aside.
"And the thing about ignorance is that it will not go away."
No matter what you do.
Racism is simply a form of xenophobia, and there will always be some sort of hate towards the unknown. What is "known" will shift naturally from one thing to another.
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On April 10 2012 23:34 Kukaracha wrote:
I call my Asian friends "yellow people" and my portugese friend "Chewbacca".
The day people will stop making such a fuss about "racism", racism will disappear. Racism is ignorance, and yes, people are ignorant, have always been, and will always be. Period.
Let ESPN say whatever they want, for God's sake.
oh yea, and lets be real no fake and use the n word too on national tv. that'll move the civil rights movement at least a decade forward.
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On April 11 2012 02:45 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 02:31 fishuu wrote:
If racism is ignorance and you want people to stop "making such a fuss about 'racism'", are you saying you want people to stop making such a kerfuffle about other people being ignorant?
Part of the problem is indeed ignorance, and the thing about ignorance is that it will not go away if you simply try to brush the matter aside. "And the thing about ignorance is that it will not go away." No matter what you do. Racism is simply a form of xenophobia, and there will always be some sort of hate towards the unknown. What is "known" will shift naturally from one thing to another.
I'm not saying "Let's vanquish ignorance and racism forever in the blink of an eye!" However, arguments like "Well, it's always gonna be there, so what's the point of doing anything?" are just as pointless as saying "If we ignore the problem, it'll go away." Apathy IS a part of the problem.
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On April 10 2012 23:34 Kukaracha wrote:
I call my Asian friends "yellow people" and my portugese friend "Chewbacca".
The day people will stop making such a fuss about "racism", racism will disappear. Racism is ignorance, and yes, people are ignorant, have always been, and will always be. Period.
Let ESPN say whatever they want, for God's sake.
This is ignorant on so many levels. Racism affects people everyday on levels you don't know.
If you haven't done your own research or taken a class on ethnic studies, please don't make such statements.
If you did, you would know that it is usually racist people that say "Oh, don't bring up race. It's a thing of the past". What this actually does is keep in place a system founded on racism where minorities have a work a great deal harder to achieve the same results of other racial groups.
Color blindness isn't a good thing; it prevents much needed social change.
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On April 11 2012 02:45 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 02:31 fishuu wrote:
If racism is ignorance and you want people to stop "making such a fuss about 'racism'", are you saying you want people to stop making such a kerfuffle about other people being ignorant?
Part of the problem is indeed ignorance, and the thing about ignorance is that it will not go away if you simply try to brush the matter aside. "And the thing about ignorance is that it will not go away." No matter what you do. Racism is simply a form of xenophobia, and there will always be some sort of hate towards the unknown. What is "known" will shift naturally from one thing to another.
We can't live forever either. Are you saying that we shouldn't try to live longer?
Of course ignorance will never go away. That's the dumbest, most obvious thing I've ever heard.
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On April 10 2012 22:33 DreamChaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 15:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Umm, Lin was not always great and a starter worthy basketball player. He did have chances, he was on the Warriors and got some minutes before being traded and also got minutes on the Knicks before moving down to D-league for a short period of time. It's a "miracle" because he literally did come out of nowhere after doing literally nothing in the NBA after an entire year and being placed into D-league. And you give people too little credit. Scouts for basketball/football typically always know what they're doing. You think they overlooked him because of racism? He's bigger than he should be BECAUSE he's Asian, not the other way around here.
It's not about size, or overcoming size. There's a reason why the NBA is 90% black and it has a lot more to do than blacks being taller on average. Hell, I'm a bit upset you said he didn't overcome anything like Rudy. You still need an absurd amount of talent and skill to play basketball at that level if you're 6'3. Wait what? He lead his HS team to the state championship + Show Spoiler +In his senior year in 2005–2006, Lin captained Palo Alto High School to a 32–1 record and upset nationally ranked Mater Dei, 51–47, for the California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) Division II state title.[18][19] He was named first-team All-State and Northern California Division II Player of the Year, ending his senior year averaging 15.1 points, 7.1 assists, 6.2 rebounds and 5.0 steals Then big basketball schools (UCLA, Stanford, Berkely) did not offer lin any promises to join the school's team. Lin went to Harvard because he was promised to play there Show nested quote +A Harvard coach remembered Lin in his freshman season as "the [physically] weakest guy on the team",[29] but in his sophomore season (2007–08), Lin averaged 12.6 points and was named All-Ivy League Second Team.[18] By his junior year during the 2008–09 season, he was the only NCAA Division I men's basketball player who ranked in the top ten in his conference He keeps it up Show nested quote +n his senior year (2009–10), Lin averaged 16.4 points, 4.4 rebounds, 4.5 assists, 2.4 steals and 1.1 blocks, and was again a unanimous selection for All-Ivy League First Team. He was one of 30 midseason candidates for the John R. Wooden Award[31] and one of 11 finalists for the Bob Cousy Award.[32] He was also invited to the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament.[33] Fran Fraschilla of ESPN picked Lin among the 12 most versatile players in college basketball . Its not like he acquired basketball skills in less than a year he has always been good. The argument the OP makes is that he was overlooked because hes asian and considering there are probably >3 asians in the NBA they aren't considered basketball players. Lets put it like this when you think of a basketball player what race do you think of? Black Tennis? White The argument is people just think, well hes black and tall so hes a good basketball player. Scouts did overlook him, i mean look at his resume it speaks for himself. Even in the D-League he was ripping it up i could post those as well. His play is far from perfect but his short stint with the Knicks showed he belongs in the NBA, he can only get better if his injury doesn't hold him back.
He played in Division II of high school, and please explain to me how those ivy league stats are impressive at all when I just posted stats of Ivy league drafts into the NBA? He went into D-league, did well in one game, and IMMEDIATELY got placed back into the NBA and the very next game was when he started doing well. But yeah, keep talking with half the facts.
You think he's always had those skills when he averaged 16 ppg in a weak college league and then he drops 38 on the lakers and plenty other 20+ point performances against NBA caliber players? Okay
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On April 10 2012 16:21 Gak2 wrote:
actually, in Fast Five the asian guy gets the really hot girl.
The director was Asian..
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On April 10 2012 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's not racism, they didn't overlook him because of his race, they overlooked him because they felt African-Americans can play better.
-.- that's the same thing as overlooking him because because of his race.
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On April 11 2012 07:01 frogmelter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 23:34 Kukaracha wrote:
I call my Asian friends "yellow people" and my portugese friend "Chewbacca".
The day people will stop making such a fuss about "racism", racism will disappear. Racism is ignorance, and yes, people are ignorant, have always been, and will always be. Period.
Let ESPN say whatever they want, for God's sake. This is ignorant on so many levels. Racism affects people everyday on levels you don't know. If you haven't done your own research or taken a class on ethnic studies, please don't make such statements. If you did, you would know that it is usually racist people that say "Oh, don't bring up race. It's a thing of the past". What this actually does is keep in place a system founded on racism where minorities have a work a great deal harder to achieve the same results of other racial groups. Color blindness isn't a good thing; it prevents much needed social change.
If you actually paid attention to your "studies", you would know that racism has always been there, in much stronger ways than today. Many foreign tribes use a diminishing word for stranger such as "sub-human", "ghost" or "no soul". White conquistadors treated South Americans like cattle, when indians in turn have been know to torture white men to try and see if they had souls or not.
"Racism" actually ocurred between cities a few decades ago. Here in France, people think that the current immigration situation is bad, but if you actually look at what happened to the previous wave of immigration at the beginning of the Industrialization era, you'd see that Europeans (Germans, Italians, Portugese) would be stoned to death until the whole family fled from the country. And yet nowadays, we treat them like brothers.
My point is that you should focus on security and severe equality issues, the rest is pure noise and will only go away by itself. You want to fight stereotypes? It's a lost cause. We ALL use generalizations in our everyday lives. You might be very angry at Jeremy Lin being called a "miracle", but what about those times when your taxi driver was actually an pure WASP and you were oh so surprised because you're expecting black or italian drivers? What about that time when you sat down next to Chinese people to study in the library because, well, Chinese people are quiet, everyone knows that, right?
Being so uptight on such matters, and being such a huge hypocrite that you criticize "racism" while ignoring your own generalizations is one of the biggest obstacles for change. Hell, we can't even talk about that kind of things in France. Call Israël a violent, illegitimate state and Palestine a victim, and you'll be accused of anti-semitism, when actually you're being anti-zionist. Get off your high horses and then maybe we can make a couple of steps forward.
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On April 10 2012 15:34 Torte de Lini wrote:
It's not racism, they didn't overlook him because of his race, they overlooked him because they felt African-Americans can play better.
It's not necessarily ethnocentrism, but it is marking down a stereotype that still remains pertinent in this sport. In addition, he doesn't have much of a track record despite being well-built and statistically above-average.
By the way, you're last paragraphs is ranting on stereotypes, not racism. I think you're being touchy by pure marketing and mainstream's media way of hooking people in.
This whole post is a monument to stupidity. TL should have a monthly feature where crap like this gets nominated.
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I know what I'm saying here, but I'm not quite sure it's coming out as I want it.
Should've slept, oh well.
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On April 10 2012 16:53 [Agony]x90 wrote:
What does this mean? Maybe I'm just lazy and jealous and can't throw far, but I do believe that asians are less physically capable to throw. But at the same time, its important to note that there are virtually no asians in a lot of American sports, such as football, baseball, basketball (and for me) track. People will always pick out individuals in the past, but that doesn't hide the fact that there have been a total of two Asian Americans in the NBA, one who played in 1947 and another who we are discussing today. This is probably for the same reason that asians just can't keep up physically, but, I also think there is a massive hindrance due to racism.
I'm sorry but either you don't know baseball, or you are an idiot, there are a ton of huge asians in baseball. More and more keep coming over from japan and a few other places as well. Yu Darvish was just signed to an absurd salary for a guy who never showed anything in the bigs. Yu is half iranian, but it's not like middle eastern people are that well represented in professional sports either. Dice-K, ichiro, chin soo choo, etc.
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Thanks for the read, I found it interesting. I'm not really knowledgable to give any critique as to how far the extent of racism goes in developed countries these days but I definitely believe it's still a very real phenomenon.
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