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I was under the impression that this community (Starcraft players in general, not TL), was one of the most mature gaming communities around. I never actually played the game much but I've watched my fair share of streams and tournaments since 2008. This week I figured I'd try and get back into it and actually learn it. I've been playing for 3 days.
In 3 days I got 6pooled 5 times, I had 2 guys float their buildings to the corners of the map, a Zerg building Geysers everywhere and the countless desperation DTs and DTs rush.
Having to chase people around isn't fun at all, I really can't take being disrespected in game like that, every time it happens I get so mad that I absolutely cannot play anymore. It ruins my entire day and destroy my mood.
The game is alright, only if it wasn't for the damn people that play it! I understand that as you get to top8 Master, things must start to get better but I'm not there yet and I think I'll just give up, 60% of the games I played so far were against BM players and that wasn't fun at all. Too bad because I wanted to play this game...
tl;dr: Fuck you BM and disrespectful players, you have won.
 
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Why did you group people going for a 6 pool with people doing stupid and pointless things with the sole reason of prolonging the game without any chance of winning?
6 pool is a legitimate strategy, at least against zerg and protoss.
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If you thought the sc2 community was mature, you've obviously never been to reddit.
But yeah, it can be incredibly frustrating to deal with people. Especially ones that will not leave when you beat them. Warcraft 3 was worse about that though.
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On April 08 2012 04:23 Drunken.Jedi wrote:
Why did you group people going for a 6 pool with people doing stupid and pointless things with the sole reason of prolonging the game without any chance of winning?
6 pool is a legitimate strategy, at least against zerg and protoss.
To me it's the same, it serves no purpose other than scoring a cheap/free win. What's the point of that under than to piss off the opponent ? There is none.
On April 08 2012 04:25 Inz` wrote:
How old are you?
21
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Sounds like you need a negative ion generator.
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Two things I have to say/ask:
1. What division are you? You say you have played for 3 days, so I'm assuming that you are pretty low bronze (I didn't win a game for like 2 weeks because I never played an RTS before lol)
2. It is the end of the season. People are cheesing the living shit out of ladder in hopes of receiving a promotion. I am playing top 8 masters right now, and literally 100% of my ZvT involves a 2 rax of some sort.
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On April 08 2012 04:25 Antimatterz wrote:
Two things I have to say/ask:
1. What division are you? You say you have played for 3 days, so I'm assuming that you are pretty low bronze (I didn't win a game for like 2 weeks because I never played an RTS before lol)
2. It is the end of the season. People are cheesing the living shit out of ladder in hopes of receiving a promotion. I am playing top 8 masters right now, and literally 100% of my ZvT involves a 2 rax of some sort.
I am Top Plat, mostly playing Diamonds (I don't know much about the ranking system so I don't really know what that means other than I'm really terrible and so have been all of my opponents except one so far). I have played a couple of games before, but never got serious about it, this week I did try to get serious but no way I'm going to keep playing in these conditions.
You think it could be because of the end of the season ?
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the perks of playing a very popular game with people from all walks of life dabbling in it :-)
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On April 08 2012 04:25 TuElite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 04:23 Drunken.Jedi wrote:
Why did you group people going for a 6 pool with people doing stupid and pointless things with the sole reason of prolonging the game without any chance of winning?
6 pool is a legitimate strategy, at least against zerg and protoss. To me it's the same, it serves no purpose other than scoring a cheap/free win. What's the point of that under than to piss off the opponent ? There is none.
The point of scoring a cheap/free win is to get a cheap/free win...don't know why you think people are doing that to spite you. Contrary to what you may believe, people can get self-satisfaction at getting fast and easy wins. Also don't know why you would think that only well mannered people choose to play Starcraft. Anyone can play the game so of course you're going to get the bad with the good. Just something you have to learn to deal with =/
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Grow a backbone like a man you whine like a kid.
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As the saying goes, if you can't take the heat....
First of all, you're playing at the end of a season. A lot of people cheese their bonus pools away to get higher rankings. You're going to hit more cheese than usual until about the second week of the new season.
Second, cheesy strategies are not disrespectful. Try not to become a player that believes straight-up macro games are somehow honorable and respectful as opposed to cheese. What's disrespectful and BM is if the player lost they don't leave the game. You're going to get people like this. You will also get BM'ers who cuss you out the whole time (or when you win). As you get better you have people complaining about perceived imbalances or the notorious "bg".
Third, top 8 masters play against cheese all the time. The only difference is that the cheese is REALLY well executed. In fact there was a guy who posted here a while back showing how he made NA GM doing nothing but six-pooling. Pro's cheese all the time as well, just watch the streams!
Don't get me wrong, SC2 isn't like CS where 14-year-olds cuss you out with every profanity imaginable, but there are a lot of immature idiots, trolls, and jack-holes who will try and ruin the game for you. Focus on improving every game - even if they 6pool'd you!
Edit: On April 08 2012 04:29 TuElite wrote:
I am Top Plat, mostly playing Diamonds (I don't know much about the ranking system so I don't really know what that means other than I'm really terrible and so have been all of my opponents except one so far). I have played a couple of games before, but never got serious about it, this week I did try to get serious but no way I'm going to keep playing in these conditions.
You think it could be because of the end of the season ?
I'm also top plat and play against a lot of crap. In my last 5 ZvP's I was 6 gate all-in'd three times and 2 gate/canon rushed once. Almost every ZvZ is against some sort of 14/14 baneling all-in. Strangely enough the terrans are playing most standard, but there's still the occassional 1/1/1 and marauder/hellion all-in.
I lose to a lot of crap all the time, too. Breath, relax, review the replay and see what you could have done better.
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A mature community doesn't mean that no one does these kinds of shenanigans. It just means that we don't get overly bothered by it.
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On April 08 2012 04:34 YourMom wrote:
Grow a backbone like a man you whine like a kid.
Stupid response. You'd probably get beat up by this guy in real life, and learn to use punctuation.
People are incredibly dumb on ladder, I agree OP. Just ignore it. Taking things personally is the first step to failing at Starcraft.
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On April 08 2012 04:35 thesideshow wrote:
A mature community doesn't mean that no one does these kinds of shenanigans. It just means that we don't get overly bothered by it.
Oh, I like that, you went all deep on me. Good stuff.
Yeah... I got anger management issues, definitely.
I'll probably get over it and keep on playing, because hey, I get addicted to stuff... But if you ever hear of a kid with an esports shirt jumping off a building after getting 6pooled, that'll be me.
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a) learn to defend it
b) try to ignore them
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On April 08 2012 04:29 TuElite wrote:
I am Top Plat, mostly playing Diamonds (I don't know much about the ranking system so I don't really know what that means other than I'm really terrible and so have been all of my opponents except one so far). I have played a couple of games before, but never got serious about it, this week I did try to get serious but no way I'm going to keep playing in these conditions.
You think it could be because of the end of the season ?
Yes. At the end of the season people are desperate to spend all of their bonus pool and get as many points as possible to set themselves up for promotion as soon as possible. I think 5 or so days after the new season starts the cheese lessens.
On the topic of cheese as a legitimate strategy, it is. It's an early timing attack with no follow up, but it's still a legitimate strategy and you should know how to scout for it as well as stop it. Cheese for the most part relies on not being scouted or prepared for, and this is why people don't just always do it -- once you know how to stop it it won't work. You'll encounter people who are like "I love it when people 6 pool me!" because they know how to look for it and prepare for it, and once you do the same it won't bother you anymore, but rather you'd be like "yes! free win!", beat it in 5 minutes, and move on to the next game.
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The blame for this is not on the TL community as a whole, the blame for this is the new SC2 fans. Blizz made a much simpler game to attract a more broad public instead of just BW players, and it succeeded to obtain former Halo and the like players. These people are huge BM'ers, don't see a point in "gg'ing" cuz they think idra is "cool" and gl hf is pointless to them. Bw and SC1 had their BM'ers but nowhere near these many, I played both Vanilla and BW for 12 years and I never found too many of this kind.
What you need to do is just stick to your game if you like it if that is what you want and ignore these people, I always GG and GL HF and doesnt bother me 90% of the time these people dont say it back or even call me a retard for doing so. I grew up playing BW more than any other game, so i absorbed a lot of the "sportsmanship" all the korean players brought into the game.
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By comparison to other communities (say CoD or DotA) the Starcraft community is fairly mature; that being said, there are plenty of assholes because this is a fairly popular game, bigger audiences typically results in there being more jerks. Though seeing as how the ladder matches you up against people who have similar mmr (read: skill), how manner your opponents are can vary almost randomly, especially the lower you are in leagues, because the player pool is larger the further down you go, so most people have an anecdotal view of how manner people are--myself as a diamond player, the people I run into are usually pretty tame; I rarely run into people who are jerks or do stupid shit like pointlessly prolonging games because they are angry--most of the opponents I fight either: don't say anything, or do the old gl hf, followed by a gg at the end.
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On April 08 2012 04:19 TuElite wrote:
I was under the impression that this community (Starcraft players in general, not TL), was one of the most mature gaming communities around. I never actually played the game much but I've watched my fair share of streams and tournaments since 2008. This week I figured I'd try and get back into it and actually learn it. I've been playing for 3 days.
In 3 days I got 6pooled 5 times, I had 2 guys float their buildings to the corners of the map, a Zerg building Geysers everywhere and the countless desperation DTs and DTs rush.
Having to chase people around isn't fun at all, I really can't take being disrespected in game like that, every time it happens I get so mad that I absolutely cannot play anymore. It ruins my entire day and destroy my mood.
The game is alright, only if it wasn't for the damn people that play it! I understand that as you get to top8 Master, things must start to get better but I'm not there yet and I think I'll just give up, 60% of the games I played so far were against BM players and that wasn't fun at all. Too bad because I wanted to play this game...
tl;dr: Fuck you BM and disrespectful players, you have won.
hey bro i told a stranger to look after my bag and he stole my bag
fucking humans
come on now, stop being a baby and stop overgeneralising.
1. you're in the cesspool known as low level sc2( to be honest this doesn't ever get better)
2. you're being illogical. if a player wants to do everything in his power to win, is it HIS fault for wanting to win? it's a competition. if you have a base race and the z player has a chance do you want him to stop playing and give you a win? if you play any game players will do everything they can to do the least amount of work to win the most, and in sc2 those strats are 6pool/dt rush.
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Generalising an entire community after playing a few ladder games, now THAT isn't very mature.
But yeah, players do dumb shit, letting that get to you isn't going to make any game fun. I don't really get how 6 pools and desperation DT's are BM, but people that refuse to leave are annoying as hell xD
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SC2 ladder inherently involves that kind of BS. Maybe you're better off playing against friends :T
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Mature? Today, after a long break, I decided to play some starcraft. After I got banshee rushed 3 times in a row I just Alt F4'd the game in frustration. The game is perfect, it's the assholes that ruin it and I'd rather watch people play it than do it myself.
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On April 08 2012 05:04 Incze wrote:
Mature? Today, after a long break, I decided to play some starcraft. After I got banshee rushed 3 times in a row I just Alt F4'd the game in frustration. The game is perfect, it's the assholes that ruin it and I'd rather watch people play it than do it myself.
Banshee rush is one of the most standard Terran builds, are you serious? 
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On April 08 2012 04:25 TuElite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 04:23 Drunken.Jedi wrote:
Why did you group people going for a 6 pool with people doing stupid and pointless things with the sole reason of prolonging the game without any chance of winning?
6 pool is a legitimate strategy, at least against zerg and protoss. To me it's the same, it serves no purpose other than scoring a cheap/free win. What's the point of that under than to piss off the opponent ? There is none.
Wait what? So the terrans who were floating buildings to the corner and the zergs who made lots of extractors around the map weren't doing it just to prolong an already lost game but to actually try to win a base race of force a draw?
If that's the case then I do not understand your frustration at all. How can you fault players for trying to win / trying to not lose?
There's nothing impolite about using a play style that you do not approve of. If you do not enjoy play this game, then fine, don't play it, but don't blame your opponents for that.
In ZvZ 6 pool only very rarely gets a build order win, usually it comes down to control and decision making.
In ZvP the point of 6 pool is to punish Nexus first builds. If Zerg never went for early pool, Toss could just get away with making Nexus first every game. Because of the possibility of 6 pool, there's a certain risk associated with Nexus first openings.
And most importantly, many players do actually enjoy using 6 pools and there's also players who enjoy playing against 6 pool.
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On April 08 2012 04:34 YourMom wrote:
Grow a backbone like a man you whine like a kid.
Take this guy for example: a crystal clear example about those people this very blog is about. Annoying, and do not display much of any other qualities to speak of.
Personally, i gave up laddering on SC2 long long ago. Coincidentally, i gave up at top Plat/Diamond border too 
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It sounds like you're angry that people aren't playing the way you want them to. That's like the stupidest reason ever to get angry. Starcraft probably isn't for you if you're really that upset.
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Lol quit being a drama queen, every game has its assholes, just leave the game, hit find match, and PLAY. And stop complaining about cheese, if you lose to 6 pool alot maybe those ladder games were good practice against it :D.
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On April 08 2012 04:50 shawster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 04:19 TuElite wrote:
I was under the impression that this community (Starcraft players in general, not TL), was one of the most mature gaming communities around. I never actually played the game much but I've watched my fair share of streams and tournaments since 2008. This week I figured I'd try and get back into it and actually learn it. I've been playing for 3 days.
In 3 days I got 6pooled 5 times, I had 2 guys float their buildings to the corners of the map, a Zerg building Geysers everywhere and the countless desperation DTs and DTs rush.
Having to chase people around isn't fun at all, I really can't take being disrespected in game like that, every time it happens I get so mad that I absolutely cannot play anymore. It ruins my entire day and destroy my mood.
The game is alright, only if it wasn't for the damn people that play it! I understand that as you get to top8 Master, things must start to get better but I'm not there yet and I think I'll just give up, 60% of the games I played so far were against BM players and that wasn't fun at all. Too bad because I wanted to play this game...
tl;dr: Fuck you BM and disrespectful players, you have won. hey bro i told a stranger to look after my bag and he stole my bag fucking humans come on now, stop being a baby and stop overgeneralising. 1. you're in the cesspool known as low level sc2( to be honest this doesn't ever get better)
Pretty much this. I like what you said about the fact that it doesn't get better. Honestly, ladder is best described as a scramble. It will never be pretty. Yes, it is satisfying to have a game play out with grace and fervour and all that good shit. It's nice to play a game that didn't feel like a frantic button bashing shitstorm but rather a considered game of cards or chess or w/e. Not going to happen, ladder is an ugly climb and will always be that way.
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"Start with the man in the mirror" ;-)
You can't control other people, but you can control yourself. (Almost) nothing hurts you unless you let it hurt you.
How does a very old man usually react to extreme childishness? Annoyed, irritated? Not really, more like, indifferent.
You can train yourself to see all kinds of BM as part of the game, which doesn't get to you emotionally. Have humility and respect for your disrespectful opponents, who knows where they are at life, maybe in a more difficult situation.
P.S. I hope this doesn't sound too "let's all be friends" bullshittery, more like I think it's just a reasonable outlook on what you can do to work your way up quicker and with better focus.
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Damn dude, stop being a fairy.
User was warned for this post
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Take that frustration and turn it into fun. I used to get really really mad then I created the following thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175960¤tpage=166
When its an especially infuriating or hilarious BM just take a screen shot and post it there. It really does make you feel better because you can take a step back and laugh at the person instead of getting mad about yourself.
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I really can't relate to people who give a shit about these things. I guess everything else must be going peachy then...
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Cheese is part of the game. Learn to defend it. Also, press F11 at the start of the game and mute the other person. As for BM getting better or worse as you progress through the leagues, it doesn't. It all depends on your luck of the draw. I've had periods of extremely nice well mannered players and disgustingly BM trash talkers in all leagues.
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lol played some more games. Double gateway proxy inside my base, 3rax all-in'd. It never stops. I think of the entire day I played 2 games that weren't all-ins. And that's a better ratio than yesterday!
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On April 08 2012 06:32 TuElite wrote:
lol played some more games. Double gateway proxy inside my base, 3rax all-in'd. It never stops. I think of the entire day I played 2 games that weren't all-ins. And that's a better ratio than yesterday!
Most of the builds you talk about become practically extinct in Masters since they're fairly easy to hold off once scouted. If you make that skill jump you'll find yourself enjoying way more heavy macro and harass games.
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On April 08 2012 06:32 TuElite wrote:
lol played some more games. Double gateway proxy inside my base, 3rax all-in'd. It never stops. I think of the entire day I played 2 games that weren't all-ins. And that's a better ratio than yesterday!
If you're really not enjoying yourself, go do other shit and then come back. Jump outside, hop in a pool, hug kittens, etc etc. There's a whole world out there
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I see you mention BM bothering you. One thing I've come across in many threads like this is just to block your opponent before the match really gets going (like around the time you might say gl hf). I don't do this but I would suggest it as it seems to help people who get frustrated with all the BM.
It's kind of like playing as a grey wizard.
EDIT: Apparently this is not possible to do atm. Sorry I thought it was as I remember reading some thread about it..
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? Of course you've been 6pooled and had buildings floated on you when you first play. That is what low bronze is like. They haven't played enough to be part of this community.
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You can't block in-game BM tho, the most frustrating kind and the one I was complaining about...
On April 08 2012 06:56 EneMecH wrote:
? Of course you've been 6pooled and had buildings floated on you when you first play. That is what low bronze is like. They haven't played enough to be part of this community.
heyhey now I'm high Plat and I play Diamonds, I demand respect! All kidding aside I've played people with over 2000 League Wins, how crazy is that.
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On April 08 2012 05:31 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 04:34 YourMom wrote:
Grow a backbone like a man you whine like a kid. Take this guy for example: a crystal clear example about those people this very blog is about. Annoying, and do not display much of any other qualities to speak of. Personally, i gave up laddering on SC2 long long ago. Coincidentally, i gave up at top Plat/Diamond border too
actually, i tend to agree with that opinion. lose a few games, get pissy, generalize to an entire community, make blog whining about it. he really should get a backbone and stop whining.
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On April 08 2012 06:57 TuElite wrote:You can't block in-game BM tho, the most frustrating kind and the one I was complaining about... Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 06:56 EneMecH wrote:
? Of course you've been 6pooled and had buildings floated on you when you first play. That is what low bronze is like. They haven't played enough to be part of this community. heyhey now I'm high Plat and I play Diamonds, I demand respect! All kidding aside I've played people with over 2000 League Wins, how crazy is that.
If you hit f11 to show chat, I think u can block players by clicking the little speaker icon. Also sc2 has been out nearly 2 years, not surprising to have that many wins.
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Or you could just learn how not to die to a 6pool.
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On April 08 2012 04:35 thesideshow wrote:
A mature community doesn't mean that no one does these kinds of shenanigans. It just means that we don't get overly bothered by it.
This sums up what I was going to post well.
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You know what, the sc2 community is made of people, which means that invariably there will be assholes, and plenty of them. IMO where sc2's community stands apart is how the high level tournament-going players treat each other, and the spirit of competition and camaraderie they share.
EDIT: basically, anywhere below those high level players, you can't exactly expect the same behavior, though they do set a good example that some try to follow.
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On April 08 2012 04:25 TuElite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 04:23 Drunken.Jedi wrote:
Why did you group people going for a 6 pool with people doing stupid and pointless things with the sole reason of prolonging the game without any chance of winning?
6 pool is a legitimate strategy, at least against zerg and protoss. To me it's the same, it serves no purpose other than scoring a cheap/free win. What's the point of that under than to piss off the opponent ? There is none. 21
How is it a cheap or free win?
What is the point of it? I really don't think it is (usually) to piss people off. Like any other build the reason you do it is you feel it gives you a good chance to win. I would contend that in generally the purpose of any build with the exception of people using builds for practice against certain situations.
Incident a 6 pool could also be used in the "practice" situation in order to get familiar with the build and it's execution so you know your gameplan with it going into a tournament/competitive match. Obviously 6-pool "gameplan" is to severely damage or kill your opponent but by practicing it you can improve your micro/decision making with it, decide which followups are good based on damage done, etc.
The fact that people somehow think cheese is a "free win", "cheap" or anything else is more than a little silly (this coming from someone who does not cheese). If a "cheese" build is one that gives you the best chance to win the game it is a strategically sound and perfectly legitimate decision to do so. I just don't understand people being angry at losing to cheese: either you lost because you were overly greedy (in which case it was just bad luck, can't understand someone being mad at something they couldn't control) or because you didn't control well enough to defend in which case you just flat out didn't play as well as you needed to.
I do agree with you about general BM stuff: flaming, floating buildings, raging, bullshit "excuses", etc. I think it's important to realize though that what is generally meant by community refers most often to the forums at large, especially TL. When you have an online gaming base as massive as SC2 there will always be.
To be honest though I don't understand why any of these things annoy people (okay, floating buildings yea because they legitimacy waste time). If I made someone mad enough that they feel the need to rage at me I take that as a compliment to my play if anything.
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I never knew the SC2 community had this connotation of maturity/gm. In fact, I thought it was exactly the opposite and especially so at lower leagues.
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Ironically enough, the only advice I can think of is: Grow up. Aside from the way others behave, your reaction seems childish to me.
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On April 08 2012 07:42 Stratos wrote:
Ironically enough, the only advice I can think of is: Grow up. Aside from the way others behave, your reaction seems childish to me.
Yeah it is. Just a mixture of useless venting and disappointment. Some frustration in there too.
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Despite all of what you just said.
SC2 still has in my experience the most mature online gaming community around. That's how bad the other major ones are.
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If you don't want to be cheesed, then play BW.
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Losing to DT's and 6 pool is 100% your fault... nobody else's. They had a better strategy and/or better control than your detection free lack of worker control.
Be a man and learn how to stomp that shit.
I LOVE it when people try to float/spread extractors. I just get the warmest feeling inside when I picture their sad pathetic nerd faces trying to BM after they've been outmatched.
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On April 08 2012 08:59 shaftofpleasure wrote:
If you don't want to be cheesed, then play BW.
Worst advice ever T.T
You obviously haven't wallowed in the depths that are the cesspool of D- iccup... (Not that I've been there for QUITE a while myself, but when I was that poor dumb chaos launcher-less fool...)
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I'm sorry well i guess you gave it a shot though.
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"BM strats" are not a lack of maturity. They are legitimate builds, esp at lower levels where they work quite well.
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You are what we call a scrub. A scrub is someone who gets mad and whine whenever someone does not play the game in what you perceive as the "right way" to play said game.
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On April 08 2012 09:34 ShatterZer0 wrote:Losing to DT's and 6 pool is 100% your fault... nobody else's. They had a better strategy and/or better control than your detection free lack of worker control. Be a man and learn how to stomp that shit. I LOVE it when people try to float/spread extractors. I just get the warmest feeling inside when I picture their sad pathetic nerd faces trying to BM after they've been outmatched. ALSO Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 08:59 shaftofpleasure wrote:
If you don't want to be cheesed, then play BW. Worst advice ever T.T You obviously haven't wallowed in the depths that are the cesspool of D- iccup... (Not that I've been there for QUITE a while myself, but when I was that poor dumb chaos launcher-less fool...)
Only P's that fast expands get's cheesed with +1 3-hatch speed lings. And that's about it.
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On April 08 2012 10:32 xenobarf wrote:
You are what we call a scrub. A scrub is someone who gets mad and whine whenever someone does not play the game in what you perceive as the "right way" to play said game.
TIL idra is a scrub
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You seriously were expecting good manners on the SC2 ladder/community? I mean there is plenty BM even on broodwar iccup and that is as wholesome server as it will ever get.
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serious question, what does this have to do with the community itself? ladder assholes do not equal community.
even the cesspool self centered entitled vocal minority i do not consider part of the community i love.
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It's just a game, how 'bout some maturity? 3 days, man, 3 whole days!
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On April 08 2012 09:34 ShatterZer0 wrote:Losing to DT's and 6 pool is 100% your fault... nobody else's. They had a better strategy and/or better control than your detection free lack of worker control. Be a man and learn how to stomp that shit. I LOVE it when people try to float/spread extractors. I just get the warmest feeling inside when I picture their sad pathetic nerd faces trying to BM after they've been outmatched. ALSO Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 08:59 shaftofpleasure wrote:
If you don't want to be cheesed, then play BW. Worst advice ever T.T You obviously haven't wallowed in the depths that are the cesspool of D- iccup... (Not that I've been there for QUITE a while myself, but when I was that poor dumb chaos launcher-less fool...)
Yea but in BW, you can micro your way out of pretty much any cheese. 12 nex vs BBS, still winnable at D+ level if you practiced probe micro a lot. Hell, even at pro level you see stuff like 12 hatch winning vs 9 pool speed. I mean certain cases are impossible like 12 hatch vs 4 pool or 14 nex vs 4 pool but anything less than that is very reasonable to defend.
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Get a training partner or play with some friends 2vs2.
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On April 08 2012 10:47 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 10:32 xenobarf wrote:
You are what we call a scrub. A scrub is someone who gets mad and whine whenever someone does not play the game in what you perceive as the "right way" to play said game. TIL idra is a scrub
You learned that TODAY? Holy shit where have you been?
also to all the people losing to all-ins/cheese
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202400
here is a list of earliest possible timings. Learn them, and get detection/defenses at the earliest possible time something you're scared of can show up. Voila, you no longer lose to bullshit.
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6 pool is a legitimate strategy, at least against zerg and protoss.
6 pool is as legit as any other strategy including worker rush. Silly? Maybe. Not a good strategy? Likely. Has anything to do with BM? No way.
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Get it into your head that some people play to win, and some people like to play according to their imaginary rules of honor and "fair play". Everything that is possible in a game (excluding cheats and bugs) is a legit strategy or element to use.
Furthermore, the very fact that you judge an entire community based upon a very narrow personal experience, tells me that you have a lot of maturing to do yourself. (Referring to your blog title here)
That being said, I do hope that your experience will not take the joy out of your gaming sessions.
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