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On April 07 2012 13:01 unit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 12:59 CAPSLOCKLOL wrote:On April 07 2012 12:54 unit wrote:On April 07 2012 11:37 EtherealDeath wrote:On April 07 2012 11:34 beg wrote:
maybe if scarlett didnt ladder with the |||||||||||| account all the time... She used to use the "Scarlett" account quite a lot... actually I think she's been in GM since Season 2 if my memory serves me correctly. wait...llllllllll is scarlett?????? god damn i was wondering who llllllll was (i consider it a bad name for an actual name and figured it had to be a smurf acct) after i was demolished by llllllllll 3-1 on ladder recently It's an ID used a lot on KR. I guess a bunch of people got bored coming up with names for all their smurfs because there's atleast 10 of them in GM. ah, this was on NA tho, the acct wasn't gm but was rather high master and probably has low gm mmr (started out my ladder day w/2 gms in a row so the mmr should be similar for that acct)
Hate to burst your bubble but that probably wasn't Scarlett, as her barcode account is top 10 GM. Sounds like the barcode fad is making its way over to NA, time to use my name change lol.
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On April 07 2012 12:27 SeventhPride wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 12:26 scaban84 wrote:On April 07 2012 12:23 SeventhPride wrote:On April 07 2012 12:20 scaban84 wrote:On April 07 2012 12:15 SeventhPride wrote:On April 07 2012 12:01 scaban84 wrote:On April 07 2012 11:57 Count9 wrote:Starcraft 2, unlike physical sports, is a game where you can give 100% all the time. There is no sparring. You're so wrong it hurts. If you think anyone pro at anything, including but not limited to starcraft, maintains the same focus and puts forth the same energy in all practice games as they do in tournament games you're incredibly misguided. This is what I was about to say. But Scarletts current success at IPL is proof in the pudding. Why is he wrong? Physical sports involve muscles and strength, girls have a disadvantage in that area, but in games, I don't see them having a disadvantage against guys. I don't care about people calling it e-sports but saying it needs physical strength is stupid since e-sports is all about the mind. AND everyone is equal, unless you are a retard The brain is a muscle, and everyone is not equal. I will let that sink in for a while. So you are one of those who thinks that girls are weaker in a game? lol, you are funny. But news flash, starcraft 2 is a game, it DOESN'T involve you building up muscles. its a game, I will let that sink in for a while You do a good job of making up arguments out of the blue but you can't even properly counter them. I didn't say girl's have weaker brains. And games do require brain power and hand dexterity, whether you like to recognize that or not. Yes yes, you just want to feel better,its okay, I understand.  I will be the bigger man and walk away. have fun being sexist, that will get you a wife
LOL.
Holy shit you're an idiot. He's not being sexist, you moron. Not everyone has purely identical brains that allots everyone the exact same amount of potential in every facet of life. That has nothing to do with gender, that's a physiological fact of life.
Go develop some reading comprehension before you post.
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On April 07 2012 13:08 CAPSLOCKLOL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 13:01 unit wrote:On April 07 2012 12:59 CAPSLOCKLOL wrote:On April 07 2012 12:54 unit wrote:On April 07 2012 11:37 EtherealDeath wrote:On April 07 2012 11:34 beg wrote:
maybe if scarlett didnt ladder with the |||||||||||| account all the time... She used to use the "Scarlett" account quite a lot... actually I think she's been in GM since Season 2 if my memory serves me correctly. wait...llllllllll is scarlett?????? god damn i was wondering who llllllll was (i consider it a bad name for an actual name and figured it had to be a smurf acct) after i was demolished by llllllllll 3-1 on ladder recently It's an ID used a lot on KR. I guess a bunch of people got bored coming up with names for all their smurfs because there's atleast 10 of them in GM. ah, this was on NA tho, the acct wasn't gm but was rather high master and probably has low gm mmr (started out my ladder day w/2 gms in a row so the mmr should be similar for that acct) Hate to burst your bubble but that probably wasn't Scarlett, as her barcode account is top 10 GM. Sounds like the barcode fad is making its way over to NA, time to use my name change lol.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3076008/1/lIllIIIlIlII/
Just for people who are wondering, that's Scarlett's "barcode" account, confirmed by her posting the link in her fanclub. 75% winrate over ~350 games, not bad at all.
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I love Scarlett's performance so much. I am massively impressed by watch she has achieved.
However, I wish so much she will get on a team. Female members on teams are reserved for pretty poster girls who have proven nothing. Of all of them, so far Aphrodite has shown the best promise.
Here is someone who has done something spectacular (remember when goswser finally got into coL for beating polt? once?)
However, I don't want to be mean. But she is no super model here. So, if someone like lastshadow (who is GM on the korean ladder), or everize (significantly high masters on korea) can't get picked up by a big name team, what's she got? That is a shame because here is the first female who has publicly proven skill at a LAN and I don't think she will get on to a team because she is not as good looking as the other girls.
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On April 07 2012 12:45 TuElite wrote:
1:0 for Scaban, well done.
Scarlett 2-0'd Demuslim. Damn, must be hard on demuslim...
It's the fact that there are people out there who are just as good if not better than them.
I definitely agree when I see the same players and line-ups. Sometimes it is hard to get your name out there.
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On April 07 2012 13:19 Thaniri wrote:
However, I don't want to be mean. But she is no super model here. So, if someone like lastshadow (who is GM on the korean ladder), or everize (significantly high masters on korea) can't get picked up by a big name team, what's she got? That is a shame because here is the first female who has publicly proven skill at a LAN and I don't think she will get on to a team because she is not as good looking as the other girls.
Just being a girl is enough. A lot of people don't really care about how she looks and just think that it's cool that a girl is doing well; that's marketability right there, sex appeal helps but isn't all of why people care about female players.
I, for one, don't give a shit about female players that are cute but can't hold their own against pro players, but I think it's really cool that Scarlett can.
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On April 07 2012 11:18 -_- wrote:
The Starcraft 2 foreigner scene -- particularly North America -- has become an old boys club. Americans better hope that changes or the only player they'll be able to chant "USA" for will be Stephano.
I am Quoting you on this one
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On April 07 2012 13:00 HardlyNever wrote:
You're wrong. There aren't 30 or so people just dying to get attention, there are probably more like 100.
Here's the thing wanna-be pros need to realize: they are a dime a dozen. It is nice to see "unknowns" do well, but pretending that they "deserve more attention" before they do well in a major tournament is dumb. The scene has proven time and time again you need to either:
A) Be good enough to take games off of top pros, because that is entertaining
or
B) You need to have a good/unique/entertaining personality to stand out from the card-board-cut-out nerds that overpopulate the scene.
Without one of those things, you are just another face in the crowd that is trying to get your name out there. There are 50+ nerds with nothing but time on their hands to take your place. You may not like it, but that is the way this works, and it works well. People watch to be entertained. If you aren't entertaining, one way or another, you won't get attention, and don't deserve it.
For every 1 NA/EU player that fits in this category, there are probably 10 Korean "unknowns" that are just as good.
I don't think any unknown pros are looking to "deserve more attention." What they want is a community that has open qualifiers rather than invite the same people over and over again.
They most likely want a tournament environment where they are able to join, regardless of their popularity, and if they beat known pros, then that is awesome and will allow them to move up. Rather than the, "oh, no one knows you good enough yet, so we're not going to invite you because you won't give our tournament more exposure..."
What you just described is what every really good player does not want. They want it so they can actually join tournaments and beat people to get known. Invite-only tournament formats stifle new players from being able to enter the scene as easily, while they support already known pros that may or may not be up to snuff.
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On April 07 2012 13:33 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 13:19 Thaniri wrote:
However, I don't want to be mean. But she is no super model here. So, if someone like lastshadow (who is GM on the korean ladder), or everize (significantly high masters on korea) can't get picked up by a big name team, what's she got? That is a shame because here is the first female who has publicly proven skill at a LAN and I don't think she will get on to a team because she is not as good looking as the other girls. Just being a girl is enough. A lot of people don't really care about how she looks and just think that it's cool that a girl is doing well; that's marketability right there, sex appeal helps but isn't all of why people care about female players. I, for one, don't give a shit about female players that are cute but can't hold their own against pro players, but I think it's really cool that Scarlett can.
That's how I feel too. I bet a lot of pro-teams are kicking themselves right now for snapping up mid/low masters level female players last year when now the real deal has arrived. Cough *e-sahara* Cough
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On April 07 2012 13:42 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 13:00 HardlyNever wrote:
You're wrong. There aren't 30 or so people just dying to get attention, there are probably more like 100.
Here's the thing wanna-be pros need to realize: they are a dime a dozen. It is nice to see "unknowns" do well, but pretending that they "deserve more attention" before they do well in a major tournament is dumb. The scene has proven time and time again you need to either:
A) Be good enough to take games off of top pros, because that is entertaining
or
B) You need to have a good/unique/entertaining personality to stand out from the card-board-cut-out nerds that overpopulate the scene.
Without one of those things, you are just another face in the crowd that is trying to get your name out there. There are 50+ nerds with nothing but time on their hands to take your place. You may not like it, but that is the way this works, and it works well. People watch to be entertained. If you aren't entertaining, one way or another, you won't get attention, and don't deserve it.
For every 1 NA/EU player that fits in this category, there are probably 10 Korean "unknowns" that are just as good. I don't think any unknown pros are looking to "deserve more attention." What they want is a community that has open qualifiers rather than invite the same people over and over again. They most likely want a tournament environment where they are able to join, regardless of their popularity, and if they beat known pros, then that is awesome and will allow them to move up. Rather than the, "oh, no one knows you good enough yet, so we're not going to invite you because you won't give our tournament more exposure..." What you just described is what every really good player does not want. They want it so they can actually join tournaments and beat people to get known. Invite-only tournament formats stifle new players from being able to enter the scene as easily, while they support already known pros that may or may not be up to snuff.
These formats exist. IPL has an open bracket. Most MLG events have open brackets. NASL has an open bracket. What more do you want? Yes, these are usually tied to invite-only qualifiers, where known players have an advantage over unknowns.
We are operating in an environment with limited resources. In a perfect world every single tournament would be open-bracket only from start to finish. Every tournament would also take a week+ to finish. Not going to happen.
There are plenty of places where unknowns can prove themselves. Is it difficult? Yes, but that is how it will always be, because resources are limited. If you truly are capable of playing with the pros, the avenues are there.
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...She's getting attention now. Which shows that no-name gamers can get attention if they play well. I don't understand the point of this thread.
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On April 07 2012 13:08 CAPSLOCKLOL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 13:01 unit wrote:On April 07 2012 12:59 CAPSLOCKLOL wrote:On April 07 2012 12:54 unit wrote:On April 07 2012 11:37 EtherealDeath wrote:On April 07 2012 11:34 beg wrote:
maybe if scarlett didnt ladder with the |||||||||||| account all the time... She used to use the "Scarlett" account quite a lot... actually I think she's been in GM since Season 2 if my memory serves me correctly. wait...llllllllll is scarlett?????? god damn i was wondering who llllllll was (i consider it a bad name for an actual name and figured it had to be a smurf acct) after i was demolished by llllllllll 3-1 on ladder recently It's an ID used a lot on KR. I guess a bunch of people got bored coming up with names for all their smurfs because there's atleast 10 of them in GM. ah, this was on NA tho, the acct wasn't gm but was rather high master and probably has low gm mmr (started out my ladder day w/2 gms in a row so the mmr should be similar for that acct) Hate to burst your bubble but that probably wasn't Scarlett, as her barcode account is top 10 GM. Sounds like the barcode fad is making its way over to NA, time to use my name change lol.
i don't mind if it wasn't her but i still want to know who it was since the injects were perfect all game along w/a perfectly executed stephano roach push into muta play into infestor bl it was just perfectly played textbook ZvP
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NA is harder to get noticed in since NA online tournaments are super Korean-heavy. Gotta get up early to play in EU tournaments or be like Scarlett or Illusion and do well in a live open bracket.
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MLG has its Open Bracket.
IPL has its Open Bracket
NASL has an Open Bracket.
DreamHack has an Open tourney.
You can apply for a seed in ASUS ROG Assembly.
You can join IEM by winning its qualifiers (I think it's Go4SC2)?
GSL has Code B and Code A qualifiers.
You can work hard to get up to GM of NA and EU. It's easy now to play on the Korean ladder because you can get a TW account to play there and work even harder to get up to KR Masters.
I don't know the specifics of how to join these things, as I have never joined any of them yet. But there are lots of opportunities out there for NA and EU players. It's also great that SEA players also get an NA account, so they'd be able to join in too for the online qualis, but they would not be so lucky if the qualifiers were in LANs because of travel and hotel expenses, etc.
But the hard part is finding a sponsored 'pro' team. You can work hard off ladder and get into practice groups for high level players, and do really well and get a top 8, 16, 32 finish in qualifiers and online tourneys. But now there is no clear cut, defined way to get into a pro team.
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There are a lot of good players on all of the ladders, however a lot of the open bracket spots that would normally go to NA players are going to Koreans and the other NA players that make it are the so called 'old boys club'. To break into the scene now, you really have to be a phenomenal player.
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On April 07 2012 15:12 Plexa wrote:
There are a lot of good players on all of the ladders, however a lot of the open bracket spots that would normally go to NA players are going to Koreans and the other NA players that make it are the so called 'old boys club'. To break into the scene now, you really have to be a phenomenal player.
I see a ton of nonames signed up whenever there is an open bracket in a tournament. It is tough, however, to break through with all of the koreans and US pros here. But it certainly does mean that whenever a noname like Scarlett breaks through, people take notice.
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On April 07 2012 15:12 Plexa wrote:
There are a lot of good players on all of the ladders, however a lot of the open bracket spots that would normally go to NA players are going to Koreans and the other NA players that make it are the so called 'old boys club'. To break into the scene now, you really have to be a phenomenal player.
Phenomenal and have the cash to fly yourself out to tournaments.
The "old boys club" doesn't just apply to invites but sponsorship as well. There are many players who are getting a salary, housing, and airfare while not producing results. Not now, not ever. Its a shame to see some of the biggest teams milk their players popularity rather than their skill.
I'd say there are quite a few freelance players who put more effort into practice than many pampered "pro" players.
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On April 07 2012 16:06 Backpack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 15:12 Plexa wrote:
There are a lot of good players on all of the ladders, however a lot of the open bracket spots that would normally go to NA players are going to Koreans and the other NA players that make it are the so called 'old boys club'. To break into the scene now, you really have to be a phenomenal player. Phenomenal and have the cash to fly yourself out to tournaments. The "old boys club" doesn't just apply to invites but sponsorship as well. There are many players who are getting a salary, housing, and airfare while not producing results. Not now, not ever. Its a shame to see some of the biggest teams milk their players popularity rather than their skill. I'd say there are quite a few freelance players who put more effort into practice than many pampered "pro" players.
I still think if you crush in online tournaments, even something just like playing in every Playhem daily and place well constantly you will get noticed, and then earn your shot at a lan. Even for MLG now (and IPL did too) you can play $10 to play in the online qualifier.
There's no question there's a lot of sponsored players now that are inferior to unsponsored players, but that's just reality and it will always be like that.
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One thing that i havn't seen touched on is a lot of the current sponsorship players who aren't getting the results lately, (your old boys club) Idra and Incontrol come to mind, will likely continue to get renewal contracts for as long as they so desire to play SC2.
The reason that these players will constantly get contract renewals is because they're personalities (love them or hate them) help grow the brand. Part of sponsorships are taking players in who you can market. A player like Idra with his bm, and how mechanically sound he is, will always have fans, regardless of results posted. Incontrol has quite a love/hate relationship with the community, but he has his hands in what seems like EVERYTHING. Which is so great for branding. To be a bit bold, I'd imagine sponsorship wise, the sponsors find him a much bigger asset to EG's sponsors than a Puma or a JYP in the EG organization. Purely based off of how involved in community events he is.
Now, since people like to troll, and will likely attempt to take what i said as an attempt to put the two players i used as an example down allow me to place a disclaimer on this post:
Let me first say that I love Incontrol as a personality, and as a player and wish him the best as he continues to try his best to improve. I know he's been busting ass in an attempt to post positive results, you can see it on his stream every day. As for Idra after watching IPL today, he played beautifully against bomber in games 1 and 2, but he lost a lot of drones maynarding to hellions, and a 4th, to the army followed by all of his burrow infestors getting sniped by a lucky scan by bomber. After that his focus yet again unraveled. Idra will start posting results once he stops getting into his own head. He makes 1 mistake, or something doesn't go his way in a match and he goes onto insta-tilt. You could really see it in his face that he was going to lose the next 3 matches after the game 2 loss that he essentially had won until the mistake of losing all those drones and hte unluckiness of losing all of his infestors.
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