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What a downer.
Even the least player can go to a big tournament and beat somebody well-known in the open bracket. They gain notoriety and 3 hipsters go on saying that they liked player x before he/she got famous. Good for Scarlett. Your example of IdrA being a nobody has no backing. He entered SC2 with a BM attitude and "good skill toi have" carriers for BW. Bad example, in my opinion. The example of a player not getting noticed in Playhem then getting some notoriety in IPL 4 is a good thing, and deserves some attaboy reaction. The is exactly contrary to what you claim is an old boys club. New names surface from a variety of sources. These players get some interest as the community waits for more tourney results to confirm he/she isn't a flash in the pan.
You ignore the high optimism that Scarlett's story should inspire, and similarly ignore the progression of skill. The first tournament that shows decent matchings is not the beginning and end of that player's story. It's a starting place to strengthen the player's resolve to practice harder and prepare for the next tournament. There's plenty of hope for a new player to gain the chant "North America, North America" for. Your cynicism is unfounded.
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On April 07 2012 12:23 SeventhPride wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 12:20 scaban84 wrote:On April 07 2012 12:15 SeventhPride wrote:On April 07 2012 12:01 scaban84 wrote:On April 07 2012 11:57 Count9 wrote:Starcraft 2, unlike physical sports, is a game where you can give 100% all the time. There is no sparring. You're so wrong it hurts. If you think anyone pro at anything, including but not limited to starcraft, maintains the same focus and puts forth the same energy in all practice games as they do in tournament games you're incredibly misguided. This is what I was about to say. But Scarletts current success at IPL is proof in the pudding. Why is he wrong? Physical sports involve muscles and strength, girls have a disadvantage in that area, but in games, I don't see them having a disadvantage against guys. I don't care about people calling it e-sports but saying it needs physical strength is stupid since e-sports is all about the mind. AND everyone is equal, unless you are a retard The brain is a muscle, and everyone is not equal. I will let that sink in for a while. So you are one of those who thinks that girls are weaker in a game? lol, you are funny. But news flash, starcraft 2 is a game, it DOESN'T involve you building up muscles. its a game, I will let that sink in for a while. Wait, let me break it up for you, starcraf 2 = game. Not.equal.to.muscles.Not.equal.to.sports. get it?
He was saying girls are stupid.
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Another problem that exists right now is that it is so much harder for a foreigner to enter a major team, because if the same major team is looking for a player it will simply go after a korean, which would cost just as much and, let's face it, most likely bring better results (at least in the short run).
A decent example is what happened to Axslav, who went from being on one of the biggest foreign teams to a very small one in a matter of weeks.
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Isn't it sort of the same way in physical sports? If we take football, for instance, there are players that are (sometimes literally) worshipped for their skill. Most, if not all of them, play in popular clubs with huge sponsorships, huge fan following etc.
However, the truth is that for every Messi there are tens of players with similar potential and skill who play in clubs that only compete on a national level. Sure, a local fan will know and support them, but a more casual follower who only watches the Champions League and World Cup will have never heard of them.
For me it's great that relatively unknown players get a crack at qualifying for premier events like IPL. And a lot of tournaments these days have online qualifiers, don't they?
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What will happen if Scarlett continues to have success, the koreans will figure her out pretty quickly and then the streak will end. This has happened to basically every foreigner out there. That's why the players who have had continued success in the highest levels of play (e.g. GSL) are the ones worthy of respect.
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... the players you mentioned aren't better than a Code A player.
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On April 07 2012 18:33 Azzur wrote:
What will happen if Scarlett continues to have success, the koreans will figure her out pretty quickly and then the streak will end. This has happened to basically every foreigner out there. That's why the players who have had continued success in the highest levels of play (e.g. GSL) are the ones worthy of respect.
Figure out what exactly? From what I saw it was pretty standard play, with good execution for the most part.
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On April 07 2012 11:38 TuElite wrote:
What race does she plays ? Because if she's Protoss just blame her success on the current metagame imo. Otherwise, big props are deserved!
User was warned for this post
Oh the ignorant responses can always be expected.
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On April 07 2012 18:33 Azzur wrote:
What will happen if Scarlett continues to have success, the koreans will figure her out pretty quickly and then the streak will end. This has happened to basically every foreigner out there. That's why the players who have had continued success in the highest levels of play (e.g. GSL) are the ones worthy of respect.
Perhaps the Koreans will figure her out. Perhaps she will only get better. Perhaps she will fade away. None of us know of what lies ahead, but that is what makes this storyline so awesome.
The beauty of Scarlett's situation is that she is literally almost at the beginning of her progaming career aside from a few Iron Lady tournaments and that Playhem qualifier. According to her interview with Hot_Bid, she has only been playing since last April, and her practice so far has only been on-and-off. Unlike the vast majority of existing progamers, I haven't heard anything about her experience in previous games like BW or WC3, though that might be revealed later.
From my point of view, she is the most exciting fresh blood on the scene at this moment. With only a year of playtime, with seemingly no professional experience in previous RTS games, practicing on a shitty Mac laptop incapable of streaming, with an on-and-off practice schedule, and completely teamless, she was able to have a miracle performance against actual progamers with extremely strong play.
I'm personally excited about her potential more than anything else, especially considering how she was able to achieve so much at IPL4 despite getting by with so little professional training and equipment. I honestly would've been skeptical of her wins had I not seen her games against Oz, but she played immaculate macro games against a strong Protoss. Plus, it wasn't anything particularly unique. Just solid play with some brilliant but sometimes unrefined decision-making. I don't think there is much for a Korean to figure out about her other than that she has exceptionally solid mechanics and decision-making for an unknown, top GM ladder player on NA.
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On April 07 2012 19:21 -Switch- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 11:38 TuElite wrote:
What race does she plays ? Because if she's Protoss just blame her success on the current metagame imo. Otherwise, big props are deserved!
User was warned for this post Oh the ignorant responses can always be expected.
I guess most didn't get that I posted this right after MC vs PuMa @IPL... But yeah she's Zerg so big props to her. Like most said, I personally hope she doesn't end up on a top team just because of this. Probably won't, for obvious reasons.
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Yeah breaking onto the scene is a real bitch nowadays in NA. The playhems (yea people think they are so so easy to get notoriety in). But they are pretty damned stacked nowadays. Half of TSL plays in the EU/NA ones and you have to go like 6 rounds of bo1. And even if you win you don't get anything out of it because no one watches it :D
The only way to become known is to pull a Scarlett and do well in a major tournament. This opportunity doesn't come up often. Maybe a handful of times a year maybe even less if you aren't on a team that supports you and sends you to these events. It's a vicious cycle because you won't even be able to prove yourself at these events because you don't have any notable accomplishments to your name in the first place. So why would a team take a gamble and send you? It's obviously understandable why it's like this but this is a major reason why it's incredibly hard to break onto the scene for new blood.
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She did a great job at IPL. she 2-0'ed demuslim, 2-1'ed terious, and eveen took a round off of FXOz. She's a beast. with proper training im sure she could be the next american hope.
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On April 07 2012 18:48 quickml wrote:
... the players you mentioned aren't better than a Code A player.
If I remember correctly, FXOz is code S and she even took a game off of him.
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On April 07 2012 11:18 -_- wrote:
Idra was a nobody. But today, there are less and less chances for Idras to become Grackens.
O.o
Idra was one of the most talented BW pro's and one of the very very few to earn a spot on a pro BW team. Sure, he wasn't top of the beta, but he performed very well in the early GSL's and more than earned his strong SC2 reputation AND maintained it with strong showing in many MLG's and other tournaments. Lately he hasn't been doing well in tournaments but he still plays like a beast.
I agree, though. When a player is sponsored and contracted it's expected they will keep showing strong results. Sponsorships are limited and a lot of them went to the top of the scene a long time ago. Playing SC2 well is one thing, fueling an entertainment enterprise is another. I have no doubt Scarlett will get some form of sponsorship based on her performance, but that's only because she entertained the masses with her upsets.
And let's face it, if so many good players weren't doomed to obscurity there would never be huge upsets from a relative unknown.
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Of course it's hard to break into the scene. It requires you to win against current professional players in a big event. But since when was being a pro-gamer supposed to be easy? All of the players that DO manage wins against top players get a huge amount of buzz. Remember TriMasters run in that MLG and how much buzz he got. And now look at Scarlett now. The bottom line is that if you post the results you WILL get noticed. It's just that no one cares about tiny online tournaments. Those are good ways to test your mettle against top players and get practice, but they are not good ways to get noticed.
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Some of you guys act like it took no effort for the pros to be where they are today. Scarlett won the sponsor tournament and had a good showing. I worked my way up for over a year, attended tournaments where there were koreans and didn't blame korean/imbalance when I lost, i just worked harder. Players have to also market themselves, beating a few koreans in an online daily where times are not set and most comfortable doesn't mean much, not to mention the lag. Anyways, I'm getting carried away here but what I am trying to say is, make yourself get known, don't just sit there and hope
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Some of you guys act like it took no effort for the pros to be where they are today. Scarlett won the sponsor tournament and had a good showing. I worked my way up for over a year, attended tournaments where there were koreans and didn't blame korean/imbalance when I lost, i just worked harder. Players have to also market themselves, beating a few koreans in an online daily where times are not set and most comfortable doesn't mean much, not to mention the lag. Anyways, I'm getting carried away here but what I am trying to say is, make yourself get known, don't just sit there and hope.
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On April 08 2012 05:32 vileIllusion wrote:
Some of you guys act like it took no effort for the pros to be where they are today. Scarlett won the sponsor tournament and had a good showing. I worked my way up for over a year, attended tournaments where there were koreans and didn't blame korean/imbalance when I lost, i just worked harder. Players have to also market themselves, beating a few koreans in an online daily where times are not set and most comfortable doesn't mean much, not to mention the lag. Anyways, I'm getting carried away here but what I am trying to say is, make yourself get known, don't just sit there and hope.
You had a hell of a run yourself man Congrats! I also agree with you  A few of my guys have made finals in playhems, taken out Inori 2-0 in PvP... takes a hell of a lot just to make like 50 people remember -.- lol
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Triple post actually.
Also it's "talent toi have" not "skill", Danglars.
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