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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 02:22:12
April 07 2012 02:18 GMT
#1
Are you surprised that the teamless unknown Scarlett is performing so well at the IPL? You shouldn't be. There are 30 players you've never heard of on the North American ladder as good as lower level pros like Catz, Destiny, and Incontrol. And a few (like Scarlett) who are as good as the best, like Idra or Sheth.

How do I know? I watch Pro streams. And when I watch the Pros stream, I watch better players beat them. Now I hear your dogmatic response: "It's just ladder!" Don't buy that hokum Pros peddle. They're just expressing their own ladder fear by downplaying their losses. Starcraft 2, unlike physical sports, is a game where you can give 100% all the time. There is no sparring.

Seeing Scarlett succeed puts me in a blue mood. It makes me think about the current SC2 system where community involvement, publicity, invitationals, and sponsors are King. Idra was a nobody. But today, there are less and less chances for Idras to become Grackens.

You'll respond with more baloney you've heard from established Pros: "There are plenty of daily and weekly tournaments where players can gain notoriety." Well Scarlett won a Playhem tournament which bought her a flight to IPL; be honest, you learned about her today. You don't become a star by setting your stream to live under a Playhem Daily event.

The Starcraft 2 foreigner scene -- particularly North America -- has become an old boys club. Americans better hope that changes or the only player they'll be able to chant "USA" for will be Stephano.

****
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 02:23:53
April 07 2012 02:23 GMT
#2
Yeah, your pretty much right on everything you said, surprised we wern't all thinking like this before hand.

edit: no sarcasm above
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 02:34:45
April 07 2012 02:34 GMT
#3
maybe if scarlett didnt ladder with the |||||||||||| account all the time...
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 07 2012 02:37 GMT
#4
On April 07 2012 11:34 beg wrote:
maybe if scarlett didnt ladder with the |||||||||||| account all the time...


She used to use the "Scarlett" account quite a lot... actually I think she's been in GM since Season 2 if my memory serves me correctly.
Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
April 07 2012 02:37 GMT
#5
On April 07 2012 11:18 -_- wrote:
Are you surprised that the teamless unknown Scarlett is performing so well at the IPL? You shouldn't be. There are 30 players you've never heard of on the North American ladder as good as lower level pros like Catz, Destiny, and Incontrol. And a few (like Scarlett) who are as good as the best, like Idra or Sheth.

How do I know? I watch Pro streams. And when I watch the Pros stream, I watch better players beat them. Now I hear your dogmatic response: "It's just ladder!" Don't buy that hokum Pros peddle. They're just expressing their own ladder fear by downplaying their losses. Starcraft 2, unlike physical sports, is a game where you can give 100% all the time. There is no sparring.

Seeing Scarlett succeed puts me in a blue mood. It makes me think about the current SC2 system where community involvement, publicity, invitationals, and sponsors are King. Idra was a nobody. But today, there are less and less chances for Idras to become Grackens.

You'll respond with more baloney you've heard from established Pros: "There are plenty of daily and weekly tournaments where players can gain notoriety." Well Scarlett won a Playhem tournament which bought her a flight to IPL; be honest, you learned about her today. You don't become a star by setting your stream to live under a Playhem Daily event.

The Starcraft 2 foreigner scene -- particularly North America -- has become an old boys club. Americans better hope that changes or the only player they'll be able to chant "USA" for will be Stephano.


I agree with most of your post and hope more people will recognize it and maybe some change could possibly one day come, but I lol'd when I read baloney :D
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 07 2012 02:37 GMT
#6
Most people watch only the major tournaments. There and there alone does true fortune rest. Thats how we learned of players like trimaster and snute and now starlet. It's unfortunate but playhems just feel sorta ghetto in contrast and unless your a mega starcraft enthusiast it's difficult and seemingly pointless to tune into them regularly.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 02:41:40
April 07 2012 02:37 GMT
#7
That just means if people want to succeed they are responsible for promoting themselves.. it's the same with pretty much everything else from filmmaking to business. In business they call it networking. The saying going "it's about who you know" which is just another way to say "it's about who knows you".
TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
April 07 2012 02:38 GMT
#8
What race does she plays ? Because if she's Protoss just blame her success on the current metagame imo. Otherwise, big props are deserved!

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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44499 Posts
April 07 2012 02:39 GMT
#9
Well said Agree completely.

I wish more of them would show up to big tournaments to steal some limelight (although certainly not all of them have the will to, nor the ability to).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44499 Posts
April 07 2012 02:40 GMT
#10
On April 07 2012 11:38 TuElite wrote:
What race does she plays ? Because if she's Protoss just blame her success on the current metagame imo. Otherwise, big props are deserved!


1. Zerg.
2. What the heck makes you think Protoss are stomping at the highest levels o.o Look at some stats please.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
April 07 2012 02:43 GMT
#11
On April 07 2012 11:37 inReacH wrote:
That just means if people want to succeed they are responsible for promoting themselves.. it's the same with pretty much everything else filmmaking to business. In business they call it networking. The saying going "it's about who you know" which is just another way to say "it's about who knows you".

That's great but it's not the point of sports, or esports. I don't really care 'how things are', I care about watching the best players. The number of invitationals vs. open tournaments does not really facilitate watching the best players.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 02:52:19
April 07 2012 02:45 GMT
#12
wrong thread soz
bakesale
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States187 Posts
April 07 2012 02:49 GMT
#13
I agree that the fan community doesn't do a good job coming across these "hidden gems" (do we need to?), but who is to say that talent scouts for sponsored teams don't? It's like the minor leagues in baseball-- they get relatively little attention from fans, but that's where talent scouts look to find new players. It's a bad comparison because a scout for, say, EG would be better off looking at Korea than small U.S. tournaments, but you get the idea.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 02:57:38
April 07 2012 02:57 GMT
#14
Starcraft 2, unlike physical sports, is a game where you can give 100% all the time. There is no sparring.

You're so wrong it hurts. If you think anyone pro at anything, including but not limited to starcraft, maintains the same focus and puts forth the same energy in all practice games as they do in tournament games you're incredibly misguided.
scaban84
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1080 Posts
April 07 2012 03:01 GMT
#15
On April 07 2012 11:57 Count9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Starcraft 2, unlike physical sports, is a game where you can give 100% all the time. There is no sparring.

You're so wrong it hurts. If you think anyone pro at anything, including but not limited to starcraft, maintains the same focus and puts forth the same energy in all practice games as they do in tournament games you're incredibly misguided.

This is what I was about to say.
But Scarletts current success at IPL is proof in the pudding.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." — Friedrich von Hayek
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
April 07 2012 03:01 GMT
#16
I agree with a lot of what you're saying... but unfortunately, the fanboyism that exists with most Starcraft fans (including me to a degree) and their favorite players is what sponsors and live events feed off of, and they're the ones pumping the money into eSports, making it hard to establish yourself in the community nowadays.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
April 07 2012 03:06 GMT
#17
I'd love to see players like Sonic and nMXMasa show up to MLG or IPL and tear it up.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 07 2012 03:10 GMT
#18
Most of these ladder heroes get brutalized vs low/mid-tier foreign pro's every time they attend MLG or any other offline event. Nerves and the uncomfortable scenario of not playing out of your own home come into play. We have every reason to be surprised. GL to her.
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
April 07 2012 03:13 GMT
#19
Ladder is really different from tournament play where your opponents are studying you or familiar with your playstyle, you have to play multi-game series, nerves, etc etc
From the void I am born into wave and particle
SeventhPride
Profile Joined February 2012
712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 03:15:37
April 07 2012 03:15 GMT
#20
On April 07 2012 12:01 scaban84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 11:57 Count9 wrote:
Starcraft 2, unlike physical sports, is a game where you can give 100% all the time. There is no sparring.

You're so wrong it hurts. If you think anyone pro at anything, including but not limited to starcraft, maintains the same focus and puts forth the same energy in all practice games as they do in tournament games you're incredibly misguided.

This is what I was about to say.
But Scarletts current success at IPL is proof in the pudding.

Why is he wrong? Physical sports involve muscles and strength, girls have a disadvantage in that area, but in games, I don't see them having a disadvantage against guys. I don't care about people calling it e-sports but saying it needs physical strength is stupid since e-sports is all about the mind. AND everyone is equal, unless you are a retard
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