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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
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cz
United States3249 Posts
TL is naturally very gaming-positive, but the bottom line is that for many people it's just a big time waster that has you staring at a screen, alone in a room. If you like it and can balance your life, cool. If you rage alone in your room for hours at a day, might want to toss it. Doesn't mean you can't | ||
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Ero-Sennin
United States756 Posts
1) You have to set goals for yourself. In game goals, goals for the day, week, etc... Write them down, change them if you have to, but if you have something written down that you can aspire to you will improve quicker. Try to stay away from, "My goal is to win 40 games today." 10 sure, but even then I'd say start more towards.. "My goal is to have x amount of barracks with 3 OCs and y amount of whatever by z minutes in a TvZ" 2) Have a good mindset. I just played some zerg on ladder who, when I said "gl hf" said "NO PROTOSS IS OP" and blah blah blah. Well guess what? I put a little pressure on him and he crumpled up and just left the game. Self-fulfilling prophecy. If you think you can't beat a race or beat a certain tactic, then you'll have less of a chance doing. 3) So if your mindset isn't good you're going to have to take a break.. whether it's to rub one out, watch some comedy, or commit genocide, I'm not one to judge; just do something to give yourself a little break. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On February 13 2012 12:47 LuckyFool wrote: If someone committed genocide after losing some on NA ladder I would judge them. i don't understand this | ||
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getdeadplz
United States116 Posts
He means he isnt going to judge you for it you didn't do anything extreme | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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Mr. Black
United States470 Posts
It made me really glad that I logged on instead of just going to bed. | ||
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fYlddnaHturtDyaWdmAi
Israel157 Posts
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Kamais Ookin
Canada591 Posts
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worked13
Australia93 Posts
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
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mrafaeldie12
Brazil537 Posts
Well not that will stop my stream watching,but as for the game,i'm done,no motivation to move foward since i'd most likely be forever platinum. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
I play random, and I rolled a pvp, and this idiot protoss just blindly proxy 2gate rushes me before he even scouts my race. Shit like this happens all the time to me, and it's making me more and more paranoid that people are maphacking. I mean, if I rolled T instead of P, it would have simply been a free win. I've never once had someone give me a free win like that, how do they always guess right? | ||
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bebe01
Korea (South)512 Posts
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
If you can't handle both success and failure, go play something less engaging or better yet, cut out any sort of competitive game completely. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On February 13 2012 13:36 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: You know ladder is locked right now right? xD Win or lose you aren't going anywhere right now >.< sorry i'll explain further: Trying to get my MMR high enough to get promoted on tuesday. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 13 2012 12:33 ePLocust wrote: Today just makes me want to quit the game because it just doesn't seem worth it. I don't feel like I'm improving enough. Who cares how good you are? You should play the game because it's fun. I'm tired of people making Starcraft into more than it should be. It's a game, you should play it for fun, as a hobby. Starcraft isn't supposed to be about some grand life mission to be the best and catch 'em all. Stop playing with that attitude and play the game for enjoyment; that's the way it's meant to be played. Proplayers are able to play the game with such conviction because they have such an incredible passion for the game that they can sit and ladder for 12 hours straight, you obviously don't have that and neither do 99% of us. Now go to the steam store and buy some other cool games and have some fun for a change. That's the whole point of why we are all gamers. | ||
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:33 TheToast wrote: Who cares how good you are? You should play the game because it's fun. I'm tired of people making Starcraft into more than it should be. It's a game, you should play it for fun, as a hobby. Starcraft isn't supposed to be about some grand life mission to be the best and catch 'em all. Stop playing with that attitude and play the game for enjoyment; that's the way it's meant to be played. Proplayers are able to play the game with such conviction because they have such an incredible passion for the game that they can sit and ladder for 12 hours straight, you obviously don't have that and neither do 99% of us. Now go to the steam store and buy some other cool games and have some fun for a change. That's the whole point of why we are all gamers. Me. My friends who play the game all have been better than I have been for a long long time. This step to masters is the last in a long fight to actually earn some respect. People don't respect diamond players. I've worked my ass up from silver to where i am right now and I've been close now for 2 seasons and both I've been very very very close then I hit a shitty streak where i can''t win a game at all. I can't imagine EVERYONE is in that same situation where there's the pressure to get promoted. | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:46 ePLocust wrote: Me. My friends who play the game all have been better than I have been for a long long time. This step to masters is the last in a long fight to actually earn some respect. People don't respect diamond players. I've worked my ass up from silver to where i am right now and I've been close now for 2 seasons and both I've been very very very close then I hit a shitty streak where i can''t win a game at all. I can't imagine EVERYONE is in that same situation where there's the pressure to get promoted. It honestly doesn't matter. It's great you are passionate about it and want to get good, kudos, but know that even if your friends tease you and stuff they'll still be your friends even if you are in Bronze or Silver (or you need new friends). I take it you are quite young? I'm only 20 but last year and some failures have made me realise that it's too exhausting to live to what you think are others' expectations and it doesn't help you achieve your own goals and objectives. Seriously, take Toast's advice, you can (and probably will) come back to SC2 later. | ||
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:52 Mobius_1 wrote: It honestly doesn't matter. It's great you are passionate about it and want to get good, kudos, but know that even if your friends tease you and stuff they'll still be your friends even if you are in Bronze or Silver (or you need new friends). I take it you are quite young? I'm only 20 but last year and some failures have made me realise that it's too exhausting to live to what you think are others' expectations and it doesn't help you achieve your own goals and objectives. Seriously, take Toast's advice, you can (and probably will) come back to SC2 later. it's not that they won't be my friends any more but it's just that pressure for me to get promoted because we always hang out and we talk about starcraft all the time. It's just that social pressure from being around the masters league players all the time. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On February 13 2012 15:00 Bagration wrote: Sorry to hear that. Hopefully you can remain involved in the SC2 scene. I think I'm going to keep my starcrafting to limited to my work with the NSL and my work with Team aiR. like i said i plan to. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
Of course, you don't have to be trying to improve, you can just play for fun and competitiveness, without having to be top tier competitively, and you can easily become frustrated in this way. But if you're not trying to improve, then what do you care if you lose anyways? Just have fun and enjoy the game. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 13 2012 14:58 ePLocust wrote: it's not that they won't be my friends any more but it's just that pressure for me to get promoted because we always hang out and we talk about starcraft all the time. It's just that social pressure from being around the masters league players all the time. So this is all about peer pressure? Really? That has to be the worst reason I've ever heard for someone to play a video game. What are they all going to say when you quit the game? At some point in your life you are going to have to realize that everyone is better than you at something. Getting into childish competitions to prove you are just as good is just that; childish. Spend your time having fun and doing what you like, don't waste your time trying to prove something to your friends; and especially don't waste your time trying to be something you're not. Life is way way way too short to spend our precious time doing stupid things like that. Also, this has to be the first time I've ever heard of someone getting peer pressured over a video game. Go smoke some pot or drink some beer or something jeeze... | ||
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On February 13 2012 15:17 TheToast wrote: So this is all about peer pressure? Really? That has to be the worst reason I've ever heard for someone to play a video game. What are they all going to say when you quit the game? At some point in your life you are going to have to realize that everyone is better than you at something. Getting into childish competitions to prove you are just as good is just that; childish. Spend your time having fun and doing what you like, don't waste your time trying to prove something to your friends; and especially don't waste your time trying to be something you're not. Life is way way way too short to spend our precious time doing stupid things like that. Also, this has to be the first time I've ever heard of someone getting peer pressured over a video game. Go smoke some pot or drink some beer or something jeeze... I don't think you understand. It's not a conscious peer pressure by them to me to improve at the game. It's pressure I put on myself to get better because they're better than I am. That's called a competative nature. I played this game just like this even before I met these guys. I've never been okay with not improving in rank the whole time I've played this game. | ||
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AKAce
United States8 Posts
My main point is that the reason most all of us play this game is because we enjoy the feeling of accomplishment and growth. Try not to lose that feeling man, and appreciate how far you have come! | ||
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lOvOlUNiMEDiA
United States643 Posts
But, if you choose not to play for fun and instead decide that you must get to masters, just keep in mind that all the evidence available to you is that If you continue putting the pressure you put on yourself then it seems like one of the consequences of that pressure is you raging. What's going to happen when you make masters, anyways? Are you then going to give up playing? Give up trying to improve? Or is your entire gaming life going to be a series of painful, rage-filled steps up the ladder -- a ladder that you will never get to the "top" of. | ||
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
2) If you aren't enjoying it, stop. This is your free time. No one's telling you to play. If you get satisfaction from improvement, do it. If you get burned out and angry from playing, stop. There will absolutely be times in your life when playing starcraft is counterproductive - for improvement and for your mental state. | ||
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
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SnetteL
Belgium473 Posts
On February 13 2012 12:33 ePLocust wrote: I just can't handle playing anymore. It takes a certain man to play games in his spare time for amusement. | ||
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Spieltor
327 Posts
raging and breaking stuff when you aren't even a "pro" probably means that you're not really doing anything else big in your life because you put so much. There's truth to the buddhist saying that you should not express constant anger, unlike one time events. If you refrain from expressing it and control it, it will eventually diminish. | ||
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On February 13 2012 15:17 TheToast wrote: At some point in your life you are going to have to realize that everyone is better than you at something. Getting into childish competitions to prove you are just as good is just that; childish. Spend your time having fun and doing what you like, don't waste your time trying to prove something to your friends; and especially don't waste your time trying to be something you're not. Life is way way way too short to spend our precious time doing stupid things like that. It's a matter of personal pride (I'd assume), stop thinking that that (the portion I quoted) is the main reason for him to quit. I'd be frustrated too if I was working hard and still feel like I'm not getting anywhere for 2 seasons. Wanting to improve oneself isn't a childish goal. | ||
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
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Switzerland812 Posts
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On February 13 2012 17:30 Spieltor wrote: I'll go ahead and judge you. raging and breaking stuff when you aren't even a "pro" probably means that you're not really doing anything else big in your life because you put so much. There's truth to the buddhist saying that you should not express constant anger, unlike one time events. If you refrain from expressing it and control it, it will eventually diminish. Raging has nothing to do with being a pro or not... If someone rages it means they put value into the time that they spend playing the game. They valuE the time they spend trying to improve. I rage because I'll hit some kid on the ladder that just does weird all ins all day because they work to a point because theyre weird and people don't know to react. It's people like that that make me very angry. It's because they're riding the coat tails of some random ass build to somewhere I'm legitimately working my ass off at the game trying to get to. I personally will not try and judge someone by their rank but rather by how they play the game. If all they do is some gimmicky build that works because it's so weird and not because of the players skill behind it I won't think all that highly of them as a player. But if someone is making their way on strong mechanics and decision making rather than a build that's the player that I would want to play for me coming from a managers perspective. Don't tell me because I'm not pro that I have no right to rage at the game, my opponents, and myself. Ranking =/= passion for the game. Personally I am passionate about the game but I just can't handle the stress I put onto myself when I go and play. I expect far too much from myself and I end up getting more angry at myself than the idiots on ladder doing their fancy little gimmicks. | ||
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Azera
3800 Posts
What happens when you can't find your fun? Same thing when a rattle gets taken away from a baby, it cries. You are a baby, StarCraft II is your rattle. Stop being so serious about this game at get angry at random "idiots" on the ladder. They are strangers that you have met online. Lost to a bullshit strategy? Probably because you were playing bullshit yourself. So when you are playing like shit, don't continue playing more. Too much methane isn't good. I never rage in SC, it's fucking retarded and immature. I'm a 15 year old and I know getting so angry to the point that you break stuff that costs money is childish. You're childish and immature. Your life doesn't even revolve around playing this game. Why do you even impose "standards" on yourself? The only standard you should impose on yourself when playing SC is to have fun. Have fun losing, have fun winning. Pissed off by how others play the game? I'm pissed off that you can't stop seemingly "bullshit" strategies. If you can't stop these bad strategies that what does that say about your strategy then huh? I can say the same thing about people like you. I go on ladder all the time and use some random strategy but because this randomfag doesn't even know how to stop it and just cries imbalance instead of trying to LEARN, then rages hardcore, it makes me fucking PISSED. Ok fine, let's say you didn't have any flaws on your part in terms of strategy. You went your usual strategy at the start of the game. Wow, you didn't even get supply blocked once and you were constantly building SCVs, your macro was chugging alone perfectly. You know you're going to win the game. Everything was going so well. But then, a million, invincible units arrive at the front of your base and the opponent bludgeons you over the head with sheer power. See the point I'm getting through here? Your strategy simply got beat. Don't even think about the player behind the strategy, the only important thing is, that there was a strategy that was better than yours. Could you have beaten said strategy? Maybe if you expanded your own game knowledge, awareness, etc. Goddamit, these ladder rants, "I quit" bullshit really grinds my gears. If it was Huk, TLO, or a progamer complaining about losing to random people on ladder I can understand because that's like an Astrophysicist losing to a 7 year old in reciting the planets in our solar system in order. It's a game, and you're a motherfucking casual gamer. Good for you that you quit anyway, you clearly don't know how to manage your anger and continuing to play sc2 will probably be detrimental to your mental health. | ||
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VenomBRA
Netherlands168 Posts
"It's just a game" Did you ask your friends for some 1:1 coaching/practice games? Maybe have a third friend observing the game to give better feedback, without having to go through replays. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On February 13 2012 13:28 Kamais Ookin wrote: SC2 is a shit-fuck balls game. I get all-in'd almost every game. Late game is frowned upon and I'm sick of nerfs coming around every month making things even worst. Fuck this, it's all about switching back to brood war and only watching pro players in SC2. I think the same thing. I had more fun playing BW at D+ than I do playing SC2 at high Diamond. -_- | ||
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On February 13 2012 20:06 Azera wrote: I think your reasons are complete fucking bullshit to be honest. The way I see it, is that you bought StarCraft II , a game, to have fun, to enjoy it. And unless you're some masochist or bought the game to NOT have fun, you find victories - stomping some online "kid" as fun. So what happens when you lose? You don't have fun anymore. You then queue up more and more games desperate to find some fun. What happens when you can't find your fun? Same thing when a rattle gets taken away from a baby, it cries. You are a baby, StarCraft II is your rattle. Stop being so serious about this game at get angry at random "idiots" on the ladder. They are strangers that you have met online. Lost to a bullshit strategy? Probably because you were playing bullshit yourself. So when you are playing like shit, don't continue playing more. Too much methane isn't good. I never rage in SC, it's fucking retarded and immature. I'm a 15 year old and I know getting so angry to the point that you break stuff that costs money is childish. You're childish and immature. Your life doesn't even revolve around playing this game. Why do you even impose "standards" on yourself? The only standard you should impose on yourself when playing SC is to have fun. Have fun losing, have fun winning. Pissed off by how others play the game? I'm pissed off that you can't stop seemingly "bullshit" strategies. If you can't stop these bad strategies that what does that say about your strategy then huh? I can say the same thing about people like you. I go on ladder all the time and use some random strategy but because this randomfag doesn't even know how to stop it and just cries imbalance instead of trying to LEARN, then rages hardcore, it makes me fucking PISSED. Ok fine, let's say you didn't have any flaws on your part in terms of strategy. You went your usual strategy at the start of the game. Wow, you didn't even get supply blocked once and you were constantly building SCVs, your macro was chugging alone perfectly. You know you're going to win the game. Everything was going so well. But then, a million, invincible units arrive at the front of your base and the opponent bludgeons you over the head with sheer power. See the point I'm getting through here? Your strategy simply got beat. Don't even think about the player behind the strategy, the only important thing is, that there was a strategy that was better than yours. Could you have beaten said strategy? Maybe if you expanded your own game knowledge, awareness, etc. Goddamit, these ladder rants, "I quit" bullshit really grinds my gears. If it was Huk, TLO, or a progamer complaining about losing to random people on ladder I can understand because that's like an Astrophysicist losing to a 7 year old in reciting the planets in our solar system in order. It's a game, and you're a motherfucking casual gamer. Good for you that you quit anyway, you clearly don't know how to manage your anger and continuing to play sc2 will probably be detrimental to your mental health. Let me guess you're some 15 year old kid that's sitting at high masters and you don't actually understand how laddering in diamond works. These "bullshit" strategies are senseless builds that are "made up" by the people who use them. You can't understand frustration until you face something that is so god damn stupid it works and wins. I am not the only one that thinks of it like this. Expanding my game knowledge would actually just mean I would lose to these builds even more because they don't make sense if you look at them. There are so many people who get away with these builds and think they're better for it. I remember watching Tyler laddering up his EU account through diamond/mid-masters. He went up against this random mid masters EU player that did something so stupid, something that just doesn't make sense and beat Tyler. Did he out strategy Tyler or was it just so stupid that it works. Also, calling someone childish for getting frustrated at this situation is absolutely senseless. You can't possibly understand the feeling unless you have actually gone through it for months like I have. Yes I can learn how to beat said weird "stupid" builds and woo I know how to beat them now. Guess what. I'm never going to see it again. I'm never going to have the opportunity to crush the idiot again. It's very likely that you will never see some of the strats you see in diamond/low-mid masters more than once. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 14 2012 02:22 ePLocust wrote: Let me guess you're some 15 year old kid that's sitting at high masters and you don't actually understand how laddering in diamond works. These "bullshit" strategies are senseless builds that are "made up" by the people who use them. You can't understand frustration until you face something that is so god damn stupid it works and wins. I am not the only one that thinks of it like this. Expanding my game knowledge would actually just mean I would lose to these builds even more because they don't make sense if you look at them. There are so many people who get away with these builds and think they're better for it. I remember watching Tyler laddering up his EU account through diamond/mid-masters. He went up against this random mid masters EU player that did something so stupid, something that just doesn't make sense and beat Tyler. Did he out strategy Tyler or was it just so stupid that it works. Also, calling someone childish for getting frustrated at this situation is absolutely senseless. You can't possibly understand the feeling unless you have actually gone through it for months like I have. Yes I can learn how to beat said weird "stupid" builds and woo I know how to beat them now. Guess what. I'm never going to see it again. I'm never going to have the opportunity to crush the idiot again. It's very likely that you will never see some of the strats you see in diamond/low-mid masters more than once. This sounds like QQ-ing to me. There is a reason that Goody has done as well as he has; he does unexpected and irregular builds. Maybe the reason people are doing so well with "stupid" builds is because players like you are stuck in some static mindset about how this game should work. I think even if some pro players spent more time learning to counter "stupid" builds, Goody would not be as effective of a player as he is. Also, I would point out that if Azera is at high masters, he obviously had to go through diamond to get there. | ||
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RBKeys
Canada196 Posts
Just don't take it so seriously and find the fun! | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On February 14 2012 02:31 TheToast wrote: This sounds like QQ-ing to me. There is a reason that Goody has done as well as he has; he does unexpected and irregular builds. Maybe the reason people are doing so well with "stupid" builds is because players like you are stuck in some static mindset about how this game should work. I think even if some pro players spent more time learning to counter "stupid" builds, Goody would not be as effective of a player as he is. Also, I would point out that if Azera is at high masters, he obviously had to go through diamond to get there. Yes I'm kind of QQing here. Also the level of stupidness out does what Goody does. I've seen him play but he doesn't do weird like the people in diamond do. Also if he's been at the top since the beginning then he hasn't had to go through as much of this shit as others. I've been stuck here for months. I consider myself to have higher than average game knowledge and it's just frustrating for me. Frustrating enough to be done playing at this level. | ||
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gn0m
Sweden302 Posts
Anyway, if you get so upset about losing games, I believe it is a good thing to quit. | ||
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Azera
3800 Posts
On February 14 2012 04:41 gn0m wrote: These builds you are losing to are not standard because they are bad. If you lose to weird builds, your probably have a pretty bad game knowledge, otherwise you would be able to identify the weaknesses of these builds. Anyway, if you get so upset about losing games, I believe it is a good thing to quit. Exactly. This is such bullshit. You do not dictate what is bullshit or not. Sounds like you don't even want to put in your own effort to beat the bullshit build because you will never see it again. That's how things work. | ||
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
On February 14 2012 02:22 ePLocust wrote: These "bullshit" strategies are senseless builds that are "made up" by the people who use them. You can't understand frustration until you face something that is so god damn stupid it works and wins. I am not the only one that thinks of it like this. Expanding my game knowledge would actually just mean I would lose to these builds even more because they don't make sense if you look at them. This right here is the crux of your entire problem. If the strategy works, then it makes sense. Either you're not seeing why their build works, or you're not correctly analyzing what you failed to do to stop the build. Starcraft has very specific rules, its more of a science than an art. If you go into games with the mindset that their are ridiculous, nonsensical builds that will destroy you no matter what you do, then of course you're going to be frustrated because it will feel like banging your head against a wall every time you hit that ladder button. Get out of this mode of thinking, understand that you lost for a reason, and maybe you can work towards curbing your frustration. Edit: Also, I think its presumptuous to think that there is a certain amount of time that it should take to get you to the next level. Everyone learns at a different speed and has different weaknesses. Maybe you haven't properly identified some of the chinks in your play style, or maybe you just aren't practicing enough. For some people this kind of stuff comes naturally and they rocket straight to masters, but I refuse to believe that masters league is unattainable for anyone who puts their mind to it. Maybe you also need to reevaluate a realistic time-frame for reaching your goal. | ||
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