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On February 11 2012 23:52 R1CH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 23:50 Sated wrote:On February 11 2012 23:48 R1CH wrote:On February 11 2012 23:45 Artimo wrote:
I have a hard time understanding why it is unacceptable. Does it violate the TL rules for streaming? or getting your stream featured?
dont get me wrong im not saying everyone should do it.
but, its like watching tv. if you dont like what you're seeing. change the channel.
maybe im missing something here. He is exploiting the stream list by leaving an obviously offline stream online so that people click it and he gets ad revenue. Not only that, he is exploiting TwitchTV by constantly running ads on a content-less stream so anyone who left the stream open is being flooded with ads. Terrible all around. Prove it isn't an honest mistake. All it takes is forgetting to click a single button and the stream stays online when you didn't mean for it to. This is silly if it is on purpose, though... There is no scene that says "this stream is offline click here to follow" unless he purposefully creates it. Also I'm pretty sure a stream left alone by itself doesn't constantly try to run ads. This is pretty obviously a horrible attempt at exploiting viewers and TwitchTV for ad revenue.
I agree with R1CH. If hes not streaming live it should be on "live streams". If everyone started doing this it would be difficult to find a stream with someone actually playing.
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While I am glad it turned out that this was all a misunderstanding, I am also glad that the topic has been raised and the matter was cleared up here for the most part.
People should think twice before approving of anything "for the sake of e-sports". Although a similar technique might bring a few bucks to someone who deserves them and plenty would be happy to support them, it would at the same time cast a shadow on all the other players and the community and could ultimately hurt us more, lead to restrictions, less money and less interest in the companies to sponsor the players.
No company would ever want to sponsor anything if there was nothing for them to gain in the first place, that is the way it works and we should all accept it if we want for esports to grow.
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On February 12 2012 06:52 Stratos wrote:
While I am glad it turned out that this was all a misunderstanding, I am also glad that the topic has been raised and the matter was cleared up here for the most part.
People should think twice before approving of anything "for the sake of e-sports". Although a similar technique might bring a few bucks to someone who deserves them and plenty would be happy to support them, it would at the same time cast a shadow on all the other players and the community and could ultimately hurt us more, lead to restrictions, less money and less interest in the companies to sponsor the players.
No company would ever want to sponsor anything if there was nothing for them to gain in the first place, that is the way it works and we should all accept it if we want for esports to grow.
This.
Also, much respect for Fear jumping in here and leaving a statement of his own. Good to see guys man up and do it themselves, even after getting their pee-pee slapped. Much respect Fear.
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The situation was handled, and that's great and all, but why are you (OP) implicating a whole organization because of one member's mistake? The feature line was "Now before all EG members start doing this, I just wana point out that doing this is NOT cool." which reads like you expect all EG members to jump on the bandwagon and start doing this. What? One member makes a mistake which is poorly viewed, and now you expect the whole organization to start exploiting the community?
Edit: Nevermind? I saw he had a lock icon, so I looked up the reason, and now I understand how he could come up with the OP like that.
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On February 12 2012 09:21 seiferoth10 wrote:
The situation was handled, and that's great and all, but why are you (OP) implicating a whole organization because of one member's mistake? The feature line was "Now before all EG members start doing this, I just wana point out that doing this is NOT cool." which reads like you expect all EG members to jump on the bandwagon and start doing this. What? One member makes a mistake which is poorly viewed, and now you expect the whole organization to start exploiting the community?
Edit: Nevermind? I saw he had a lock icon, so I looked up the reason, and now I understand how he could come up with the OP like that.
Too bad he got muzzled so you won't probably have the reasons behind the OP. EG probably got some bucks out to have him censured here, so you won't ever know.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On February 12 2012 10:56 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 09:21 seiferoth10 wrote:
The situation was handled, and that's great and all, but why are you (OP) implicating a whole organization because of one member's mistake? The feature line was "Now before all EG members start doing this, I just wana point out that doing this is NOT cool." which reads like you expect all EG members to jump on the bandwagon and start doing this. What? One member makes a mistake which is poorly viewed, and now you expect the whole organization to start exploiting the community?
Edit: Nevermind? I saw he had a lock icon, so I looked up the reason, and now I understand how he could come up with the OP like that. Too bad he got muzzled so you won't probably have the reasons behind the OP. EG probably got some bucks out to have him censured here, so you won't ever know.
Actually if you look at the Automated Ban List you find out why people are banned, and it's not related to this thread.
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On February 12 2012 09:21 seiferoth10 wrote:
The situation was handled, and that's great and all, but why are you (OP) implicating a whole organization because of one member's mistake? The feature line was "Now before all EG members start doing this, I just wana point out that doing this is NOT cool." which reads like you expect all EG members to jump on the bandwagon and start doing this. What? One member makes a mistake which is poorly viewed, and now you expect the whole organization to start exploiting the community?
Edit: Nevermind? I saw he had a lock icon, so I looked up the reason, and now I understand how he could come up with the OP like that.
When an EG player puts up an EG overlay that says something like this, it follows naturally that people will think EG caused this.
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On February 12 2012 10:56 Hydroxyl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 09:21 seiferoth10 wrote:
The situation was handled, and that's great and all, but why are you (OP) implicating a whole organization because of one member's mistake? The feature line was "Now before all EG members start doing this, I just wana point out that doing this is NOT cool." which reads like you expect all EG members to jump on the bandwagon and start doing this. What? One member makes a mistake which is poorly viewed, and now you expect the whole organization to start exploiting the community?
Edit: Nevermind? I saw he had a lock icon, so I looked up the reason, and now I understand how he could come up with the OP like that. Too bad he got muzzled so you won't probably have the reasons behind the OP. EG probably got some bucks out to have him censured here, so you won't ever know.
If EG made TL ban everyone who ever said anything bad about EG, probably half this forum would be gone. I'm really not sure how you came to the conclusion that EG paid TL to ban him for making the OP when it's so easy to check the banned thread. But also think for a moment, if that really did happen, and it was so obvious that you could almost instantly point it out, the kind of PR hole that EG would've dug themselves into by doing it. No team would ever do something like that.
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On February 12 2012 14:15 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:56 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 12 2012 09:21 seiferoth10 wrote:
The situation was handled, and that's great and all, but why are you (OP) implicating a whole organization because of one member's mistake? The feature line was "Now before all EG members start doing this, I just wana point out that doing this is NOT cool." which reads like you expect all EG members to jump on the bandwagon and start doing this. What? One member makes a mistake which is poorly viewed, and now you expect the whole organization to start exploiting the community?
Edit: Nevermind? I saw he had a lock icon, so I looked up the reason, and now I understand how he could come up with the OP like that. Too bad he got muzzled so you won't probably have the reasons behind the OP. EG probably got some bucks out to have him censured here, so you won't ever know. If EG made TL ban everyone who ever said anything bad about EG, probably half this forum would be gone. I'm really not sure how you came to the conclusion that EG paid TL to ban him for making the OP when it's so easy to check the banned thread. But also think for a moment, if that really did happen, and it was so obvious that you could almost instantly point it out, the kind of PR hole that EG would've dug themselves into by doing it. No team would ever do something like that.
Hmmm, Romanian? :D
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On February 12 2012 14:15 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 10:56 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 12 2012 09:21 seiferoth10 wrote:
The situation was handled, and that's great and all, but why are you (OP) implicating a whole organization because of one member's mistake? The feature line was "Now before all EG members start doing this, I just wana point out that doing this is NOT cool." which reads like you expect all EG members to jump on the bandwagon and start doing this. What? One member makes a mistake which is poorly viewed, and now you expect the whole organization to start exploiting the community?
Edit: Nevermind? I saw he had a lock icon, so I looked up the reason, and now I understand how he could come up with the OP like that. Too bad he got muzzled so you won't probably have the reasons behind the OP. EG probably got some bucks out to have him censured here, so you won't ever know. If EG made TL ban everyone who ever said anything bad about EG, probably half this forum would be gone. I'm really not sure how you came to the conclusion that EG paid TL to ban him for making the OP when it's so easy to check the banned thread. But also think for a moment, if that really did happen, and it was so obvious that you could almost instantly point it out, the kind of PR hole that EG would've dug themselves into by doing it. No team would ever do something like that.
FYI, he was banned for insulting other users from another irrelevent thread, it has nothing to do with this.
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On February 12 2012 15:07 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 14:15 hunts wrote:On February 12 2012 10:56 Hydroxyl wrote:On February 12 2012 09:21 seiferoth10 wrote:
The situation was handled, and that's great and all, but why are you (OP) implicating a whole organization because of one member's mistake? The feature line was "Now before all EG members start doing this, I just wana point out that doing this is NOT cool." which reads like you expect all EG members to jump on the bandwagon and start doing this. What? One member makes a mistake which is poorly viewed, and now you expect the whole organization to start exploiting the community?
Edit: Nevermind? I saw he had a lock icon, so I looked up the reason, and now I understand how he could come up with the OP like that. Too bad he got muzzled so you won't probably have the reasons behind the OP. EG probably got some bucks out to have him censured here, so you won't ever know. If EG made TL ban everyone who ever said anything bad about EG, probably half this forum would be gone. I'm really not sure how you came to the conclusion that EG paid TL to ban him for making the OP when it's so easy to check the banned thread. But also think for a moment, if that really did happen, and it was so obvious that you could almost instantly point it out, the kind of PR hole that EG would've dug themselves into by doing it. No team would ever do something like that. FYI, he was banned for insulting other users from another irrelevent thread, it has nothing to do with this.
I know, I was trying to explain that to the person who originally thought that the OP got banned for making this thread. But it's late and I'm tired so I guess I didn't clearly express what I wanted to say. What I wanted to say is that the idea of EG making TL ban the OP for making this thread and "exposing them" is ludicrous, and that it's easy to check why someone got banned instead of jumping to such far fetched conclusions.
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So was EG.Demon just killed?
He was apparently doing the same thing as I just tuned in (11:19 Mod xyshin: He's done for the night, he's just running commercials for some ad revenue) and now its listed as "disabled":
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/EG.DeMoN
Normally it would say "Offline" and still show the player and info. Someone got the axe?
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Demon does this all the time. He puts on his overlay for 3-4 hours and just afks
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On February 12 2012 06:02 FearDotA wrote:
First of all, I would like to apologize for any problems this has caused and that it won't happen again.
I can assure you this wasn't done intentionally, however. In fact, this is the first time that I've ever accidentally left my stream on when I went to sleep (or long periods of time where I'm away from my computer) after a long night of streaming. You see, I was literally streaming all night long from 8pm-5am, so you can imagine how tired I was. I put that screen up for about the last 15-30 mins of my stream ( I had another overlay that said be back in 15mins, but that was too misleading, because people kept asking where I was.) Typically I just chat a little during that time, but have no intention of playing any more games and I like that be crystal clear so I don't have to repeat myself in chat or have my mods keep repeating themselves. I'm sure anyone who watches my stream regularly, can vouch that I've never done this before or ever left my stream unattended for over an hour.
I know mistakes like these can be hard to forgive, but it really was just an honest mistake on my end with an error of judgement because I was so tired. I will make sure I triple check it from now on.
Kudos
Every streamer I have seen has to click/enter the commercial command by hand. When you where asleep you have to have a script doing it. I can hardly imagine going afk and running a programm which constantly spams /commercial by accident :/
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Ive seen Demon do this so many fucking times its annoying
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On February 12 2012 22:29 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 06:02 FearDotA wrote:
First of all, I would like to apologize for any problems this has caused and that it won't happen again.
I can assure you this wasn't done intentionally, however. In fact, this is the first time that I've ever accidentally left my stream on when I went to sleep (or long periods of time where I'm away from my computer) after a long night of streaming. You see, I was literally streaming all night long from 8pm-5am, so you can imagine how tired I was. I put that screen up for about the last 15-30 mins of my stream ( I had another overlay that said be back in 15mins, but that was too misleading, because people kept asking where I was.) Typically I just chat a little during that time, but have no intention of playing any more games and I like that be crystal clear so I don't have to repeat myself in chat or have my mods keep repeating themselves. I'm sure anyone who watches my stream regularly, can vouch that I've never done this before or ever left my stream unattended for over an hour.
I know mistakes like these can be hard to forgive, but it really was just an honest mistake on my end with an error of judgement because I was so tired. I will make sure I triple check it from now on.
Kudos Every streamer I have seen has to click/enter the commercial command by hand. When you where asleep you have to have a script doing it. I can hardly imagine going afk and running a programm which constantly spams /commercial by accident :/
People with dashbaord access.
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On February 12 2012 19:28 BadaBing wrote:So was EG.Demon just killed? He was apparently doing the same thing as I just tuned in ( 11:19 Mod xyshin: He's done for the night, he's just running commercials for some ad revenue) and now its listed as "disabled": http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/EG.DeMoNNormally it would say "Offline" and still show the player and info. Someone got the axe?
Whoah. It is disabled. Did he really pull that shit a day after this post was made? If so... this guy is rofl stupid.
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On February 13 2012 01:31 getSome[703] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2012 19:28 BadaBing wrote:So was EG.Demon just killed? He was apparently doing the same thing as I just tuned in ( 11:19 Mod xyshin: He's done for the night, he's just running commercials for some ad revenue) and now its listed as "disabled": http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/EG.DeMoNNormally it would say "Offline" and still show the player and info. Someone got the axe? Whoah. It is disabled. Did he really pull that shit a day after this post was made? If so... this guy is rofl stupid.
MOBAs in general have very bad communities. The MOBA pros are about as disrespectful and arrogant as the MOBA players, so to see dota2/hon/LOL pros doing this kind of thing is not at all surprising. Just remember, the SC2 community is sadly not the norm as far as respectability goes, it's the exception.
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On February 11 2012 23:52 R1CH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 23:50 Sated wrote:On February 11 2012 23:48 R1CH wrote:On February 11 2012 23:45 Artimo wrote:
I have a hard time understanding why it is unacceptable. Does it violate the TL rules for streaming? or getting your stream featured?
dont get me wrong im not saying everyone should do it.
but, its like watching tv. if you dont like what you're seeing. change the channel.
maybe im missing something here. He is exploiting the stream list by leaving an obviously offline stream online so that people click it and he gets ad revenue. Not only that, he is exploiting TwitchTV by constantly running ads on a content-less stream so anyone who left the stream open is being flooded with ads. Terrible all around. Prove it isn't an honest mistake. All it takes is forgetting to click a single button and the stream stays online when you didn't mean for it to. This is silly if it is on purpose, though... There is no scene that says "this stream is offline click here to follow" unless he purposefully creates it. Also I'm pretty sure a stream left alone by itself doesn't constantly try to run ads. This is pretty obviously a horrible attempt at exploiting viewers and TwitchTV for ad revenue.
Auto clickers are currently really popular in Dota so people can accept a game being ready while they're going to the bathroom or getting a drink etc. I know for a fact several streamers use it like Demon and I think Fear has used it in the past too. Theres almost no chance that this was a mistake it was set up like that, unless it was a moderator given privileges to hit the commercial button that did this.
On February 12 2012 01:03 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 23:50 Sated wrote:On February 11 2012 23:48 R1CH wrote:On February 11 2012 23:45 Artimo wrote:
I have a hard time understanding why it is unacceptable. Does it violate the TL rules for streaming? or getting your stream featured?
dont get me wrong im not saying everyone should do it.
but, its like watching tv. if you dont like what you're seeing. change the channel.
maybe im missing something here. He is exploiting the stream list by leaving an obviously offline stream online so that people click it and he gets ad revenue. Not only that, he is exploiting TwitchTV by constantly running ads on a content-less stream so anyone who left the stream open is being flooded with ads. Terrible all around. Prove it isn't an honest mistake. All it takes is forgetting to click a single button and the stream stays online when you didn't mean for it to. This is silly if it is on purpose, though... You have to physically type /commercial to play an ad. Which means, he's either sitting there doing it, or has some kinda bot, or a mod do it.
There is a button on the dashboard that can be clicked instead so any program (there are hundreds of them, usually for MMO games) that can just auto click every x amoutn of time.
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I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future.
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