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On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future.
Oh so your bullshit was canned and only now you're going to reform?
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Ahhh R1ch?
His stream is disabled but it still shows the initial commercial when you click on his stream. So basically he is still getting ad revenue so may just want to un-feature his stream?
On February 13 2012 13:51 Masamune wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future. Oh so your bullshit was canned and only now you're going to reform?
You and several other people in this thread need to chill out. Is this community so hungry for drama and witch hunts that we need to make some up where none really exists? TL staff will take care of the issue, clearly several streamers didn't understand that having their stream featured on TL meant they would be held to certain standards. Obviously that has been made clear now and staff will have to figure out how they want to enforce those standards.
While what Demon and Fear were/are doing is dishonest, no one was getting hurt and it's not like they were making trillions of dollars. So let's call off the witch hunt and let the TL staff do what they do so well and solve the disagreement, yes?
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On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future.
By "near future," I hope you mean starting immediately and ending never...
But don't worry I use adblock anyway
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On February 13 2012 14:47 getSome[703] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future. By "near future," I hope you mean starting immediately and ending never... But don't worry I use adblock anyway
I would point out that using ad block is just as bad as what they were doing. They're getting something for doing nothing, you're giving them nothing and getting something.
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On February 13 2012 15:08 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:47 getSome[703] wrote:On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future. By "near future," I hope you mean starting immediately and ending never... But don't worry I use adblock anyway I would point out that using ad block is just as bad as what they were doing. They're getting something for doing nothing, you're giving them nothing and getting something.
Yep, you're right. It was the Bing commercials that made me do it. Your post made me take the initiative to add the teamliquid front page as an exception
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On February 13 2012 14:43 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 13:51 Masamune wrote:On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future. Oh so your bullshit was canned and only now you're going to reform? You and several other people in this thread need to chill out. Is this community so hungry for drama and witch hunts that we need to make some up where none really exists? TL staff will take care of the issue, clearly several streamers didn't understand that having their stream featured on TL meant they would be held to certain standards. Obviously that has been made clear now and staff will have to figure out how they want to enforce those standards. While what Demon and Fear were/are doing is dishonest, no one was getting hurt and it's not like they were making trillions of dollars. So let's call off the witch hunt and let the TL staff do what they do so well and solve the disagreement, yes?
I know this forum tries to stay at a certain level of respectfulness... but a dota player comes here and intentionally abuses twitch tv and the tl streaming system for profit and he's not supposed to catch some heat for it? To hell with that, he's a scumbag, sponsored or not.
No witch hunt going on at all, this is a unmarked thread in the blog section made to alert EG that their players are engaging in scummy behavior. Assuming it gets their attention, which is supposedly already has, this is the exact spot to let them know just how dirty it looks.
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Lol fuck that, anything R1CH says is law to me. burn the witches !
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R1CH is all knowing, any denial of this fact shows stupidity and ignorance.
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On February 13 2012 15:08 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 14:47 getSome[703] wrote:On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future. By "near future," I hope you mean starting immediately and ending never... But don't worry I use adblock anyway I would point out that using ad block is just as bad as what they were doing. They're getting something for doing nothing, you're giving them nothing and getting something.
We can not be forced to watch ads bro. If I can skip ads by looking/walking away and/or turning off sound, then you can also decide to not watch their stream anymore if its not showing anything interesting. This form of self regulation seems to work because it gives freedom to creativity. For example, some large tournaments use large breaks of over 30 mins and keep running the same ads, this even happens before the tournament starts.
What you are imposing a new form a regulation where on the one side people will have to watch ads (seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream), which is any advertisers (I am one of them) nightmare because "semi forced" supportive clicks and negative ad influence do not benefit them at all. And on the other side streamers are not able to bring up new creative sources of income, due to the strict regulation. Signs clearly saying "this stream is offline" and you still watching and complaining about ads seems incredibly out of this world to me. The stream might show online, but since you know for sure that the stream is offline you have the opportunity to leave. They should be able to run a stream like that all day, a beautiful thing called self regulation will show you that after a while people get sick of it, and they will never come back. This is perfect and needs not one bit of regulation.
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They should be removed from the streamers list on TL.
There is no reason not to do that.
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On February 18 2012 03:09 s.a.y wrote:
They should be removed from the streamers list on TL.
There is no reason not to do that.
Fear claimed it was a one time mistake and regular viewers have confirmed that he runs that screen after he's done playing for the day while he fields questions in the chat and then turns it off.
Benefit of the doubt, if it happens again and there is a pattern of abuse then yes de-feature him but that seems a bit excessive for a one time occurence which was very possibly just an innocent mistake.
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On February 18 2012 03:17 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 03:09 s.a.y wrote:
They should be removed from the streamers list on TL.
There is no reason not to do that. Fear claimed it was a one time mistake and regular viewers have confirmed that he runs that screen after he's done playing for the day while he fields questions in the chat and then turns it off. Benefit of the doubt, if it happens again and there is a pattern of abuse then yes de-feature him but that seems a bit excessive for a one time occurence which was very possibly just an innocent mistake.
Why don't you go back a page and read it again, it looks like he did it again.
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On February 18 2012 00:01 peacenl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 15:08 TheToast wrote:On February 13 2012 14:47 getSome[703] wrote:On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future. By "near future," I hope you mean starting immediately and ending never... But don't worry I use adblock anyway I would point out that using ad block is just as bad as what they were doing. They're getting something for doing nothing, you're giving them nothing and getting something. We can not be forced to watch ads bro. If I can skip ads by looking/walking away and/or turning off sound, then you can also decide to not watch their stream anymore if its not showing anything interesting. This form of self regulation seems to work because it gives freedom to creativity. For example, some large tournaments use large breaks of over 30 mins and keep running the same ads, this even happens before the tournament starts. What you are imposing a new form a regulation where on the one side people will have to watch ads (seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream), which is any advertisers (I am one of them) nightmare because "semi forced" supportive clicks and negative ad influence do not benefit them at all. And on the other side streamers are not able to bring up new creative sources of income, due to the strict regulation. Signs clearly saying "this stream is offline" and you still watching and complaining about ads seems incredibly out of this world to me. The stream might show online, but since you know for sure that the stream is offline you have the opportunity to leave. They should be able to run a stream like that all day, a beautiful thing called self regulation will show you that after a while people get sick of it, and they will never come back. This is perfect and needs not one bit of regulation.
First, I'm not your bro.
Second, this argument is illogical. No, sorry, this argument is bullshit. Yes, there is no guarentee that anyone is watching the advertisement; even with television people quite often get up to use the restroom, get a snack, etc. Advertisers know this, they're not stupid. They understand that a certain percentage of the audience recieving their ads are not watching them, my bet is that many ad agencies spend considerable time estimating this percentage and adjusting their pricing models respectively. That's not to say no one watches ads, occationally I will watch the ads when something looks interesting or grabs my attention; this is what advertisers count on.
However if you have ad block on, they know that there is a 100% chance you are not seeing their advertisements, and will not pay out anything to the streamer for your view. Do you understand the the difference here?
This has nothing to do with freedom or creativity. This has to do with ad-block users in essence stealing content from players. Many pros stream primarily as a means to get income and support themselves. They are providing you content and in turn your view provide them with some much needed extra cash. You want to talk about self regulation?
If you are using ad-block, why should the players keep streaming? You'll self regulate player streams right into oblivion.
(seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream)
What god given right do you have to watch their content without supporting them? Watching the ads takes NO effort on your part, and in return really helps some of these players stay afloat. I really, really hate to say this but it applies here: people like you are hurting esports. No one is asking you to click on the ads and buy the products (that would actually be illegal and against TOS), no one is even asking you to watch them--go get a snack who cares--but blocking them completely deprives players of revenue that they have EARNED by giving you good free content.
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On February 18 2012 03:57 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 03:17 TheButtonmen wrote:On February 18 2012 03:09 s.a.y wrote:
They should be removed from the streamers list on TL.
There is no reason not to do that. Fear claimed it was a one time mistake and regular viewers have confirmed that he runs that screen after he's done playing for the day while he fields questions in the chat and then turns it off. Benefit of the doubt, if it happens again and there is a pattern of abuse then yes de-feature him but that seems a bit excessive for a one time occurence which was very possibly just an innocent mistake. Why don't you go back a page and read it again, it looks like he did it again.
Two different persons. Demon and Fear... Why don't you read it again
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It's not even like you're really missing out on something by blocking the ads as most of time the stream is going to be dead air while the ads are run anyways.
On February 18 2012 03:57 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 03:17 TheButtonmen wrote:On February 18 2012 03:09 s.a.y wrote:
They should be removed from the streamers list on TL.
There is no reason not to do that. Fear claimed it was a one time mistake and regular viewers have confirmed that he runs that screen after he's done playing for the day while he fields questions in the chat and then turns it off. Benefit of the doubt, if it happens again and there is a pattern of abuse then yes de-feature him but that seems a bit excessive for a one time occurence which was very possibly just an innocent mistake. Why don't you go back a page and read it again, it looks like he did it again.
...No?
The incident mentioned the previous page was EG.Demon also having this issue and saying that he will be changing how his stream is run in the future to avoid it.
Now that this issue has been raised and the streamers have indicated that they are aware of the problem and changing how their stream will be run then if they were to continue in the future and there is a pattern of abuse of the TL featured streaming sidebar then yes punish them but to simply remove them because of a single incident which they've stated they will be avoiding in the future seems draconian.
Zero tolerance isn't a very good policy.
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On February 18 2012 04:00 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 00:01 peacenl wrote:On February 13 2012 15:08 TheToast wrote:On February 13 2012 14:47 getSome[703] wrote:On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future. By "near future," I hope you mean starting immediately and ending never... But don't worry I use adblock anyway I would point out that using ad block is just as bad as what they were doing. They're getting something for doing nothing, you're giving them nothing and getting something. We can not be forced to watch ads bro. If I can skip ads by looking/walking away and/or turning off sound, then you can also decide to not watch their stream anymore if its not showing anything interesting. This form of self regulation seems to work because it gives freedom to creativity. For example, some large tournaments use large breaks of over 30 mins and keep running the same ads, this even happens before the tournament starts. What you are imposing a new form a regulation where on the one side people will have to watch ads (seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream), which is any advertisers (I am one of them) nightmare because "semi forced" supportive clicks and negative ad influence do not benefit them at all. And on the other side streamers are not able to bring up new creative sources of income, due to the strict regulation. Signs clearly saying "this stream is offline" and you still watching and complaining about ads seems incredibly out of this world to me. The stream might show online, but since you know for sure that the stream is offline you have the opportunity to leave. They should be able to run a stream like that all day, a beautiful thing called self regulation will show you that after a while people get sick of it, and they will never come back. This is perfect and needs not one bit of regulation. First, I'm not your bro. Second, this argument is illogical. No, sorry, this argument is bullshit. Yes, there is no guarentee that anyone is watching the advertisement; even with television people quite often get up to use the restroom, get a snack, etc. Advertisers know this, they're not stupid. They understand that a certain percentage of the audience recieving their ads are not watching them, my bet is that many ad agencies spend considerable time estimating this percentage and adjusting their pricing models respectively. That's not to say no one watches ads, occationally I will watch the ads when something looks interesting or grabs my attention; this is what advertisers count on. However if you have ad block on, they know that there is a 100% chance you are not seeing their advertisements, and will not pay out anything to the streamer for your view. Do you understand the the difference here? This has nothing to do with freedom or creativity. This has to do with ad-block users in essence stealing content from players. Many pros stream primarily as a means to get income and support themselves. They are providing you content and in turn your view provide them with some much needed extra cash. You want to talk about self regulation? If you are using ad-block, why should the players keep streaming? You'll self regulate player streams right into oblivion. Show nested quote +(seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream) What god given right do you have to watch their content without supporting them? Watching the ads takes NO effort on your part, and in return really helps some of these players stay afloat. I really, really hate to say this but it applies here: people like you are hurting esports. No one is asking you to click on the ads and buy the products (that would actually be illegal and against TOS), no one is even asking you to watch them--go get a snack who cares--but blocking them completely deprives players of revenue that they have EARNED by giving you good free content.
The same god given right that allows progamers to stream music without compensating the artist to increase their stream numbers and hence their ad revenue. They are not just "using content without supporting" the artist, but are using it for their own commercial gain. Just saying.
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On February 18 2012 04:00 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 00:01 peacenl wrote:On February 13 2012 15:08 TheToast wrote:On February 13 2012 14:47 getSome[703] wrote:On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future. By "near future," I hope you mean starting immediately and ending never... But don't worry I use adblock anyway I would point out that using ad block is just as bad as what they were doing. They're getting something for doing nothing, you're giving them nothing and getting something. We can not be forced to watch ads bro. If I can skip ads by looking/walking away and/or turning off sound, then you can also decide to not watch their stream anymore if its not showing anything interesting. This form of self regulation seems to work because it gives freedom to creativity. For example, some large tournaments use large breaks of over 30 mins and keep running the same ads, this even happens before the tournament starts. What you are imposing a new form a regulation where on the one side people will have to watch ads (seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream), which is any advertisers (I am one of them) nightmare because "semi forced" supportive clicks and negative ad influence do not benefit them at all. And on the other side streamers are not able to bring up new creative sources of income, due to the strict regulation. Signs clearly saying "this stream is offline" and you still watching and complaining about ads seems incredibly out of this world to me. The stream might show online, but since you know for sure that the stream is offline you have the opportunity to leave. They should be able to run a stream like that all day, a beautiful thing called self regulation will show you that after a while people get sick of it, and they will never come back. This is perfect and needs not one bit of regulation. First, I'm not your bro. Second, this argument is illogical. No, sorry, this argument is bullshit. Yes, there is no guarentee that anyone is watching the advertisement; even with television people quite often get up to use the restroom, get a snack, etc. Advertisers know this, they're not stupid. They understand that a certain percentage of the audience recieving their ads are not watching them, my bet is that many ad agencies spend considerable time estimating this percentage and adjusting their pricing models respectively. That's not to say no one watches ads, occationally I will watch the ads when something looks interesting or grabs my attention; this is what advertisers count on. However if you have ad block on, they know that there is a 100% chance you are not seeing their advertisements, and will not pay out anything to the streamer for your view. Do you understand the the difference here? This has nothing to do with freedom or creativity. This has to do with ad-block users in essence stealing content from players. Many pros stream primarily as a means to get income and support themselves. They are providing you content and in turn your view provide them with some much needed extra cash. You want to talk about self regulation? If you are using ad-block, why should the players keep streaming? You'll self regulate player streams right into oblivion. Show nested quote +(seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream) What god given right do you have to watch their content without supporting them? Watching the ads takes NO effort on your part, and in return really helps some of these players stay afloat. I really, really hate to say this but it applies here: people like you are hurting esports. No one is asking you to click on the ads and buy the products (that would actually be illegal and against TOS), no one is even asking you to watch them--go get a snack who cares--but blocking them completely deprives players of revenue that they have EARNED by giving you good free content.
We are all bros, because we are all fatties online who drink Burger King milkshakes.
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On February 18 2012 04:52 getSome[703] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 04:00 TheToast wrote:On February 18 2012 00:01 peacenl wrote:On February 13 2012 15:08 TheToast wrote:On February 13 2012 14:47 getSome[703] wrote:On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future. By "near future," I hope you mean starting immediately and ending never... But don't worry I use adblock anyway I would point out that using ad block is just as bad as what they were doing. They're getting something for doing nothing, you're giving them nothing and getting something. We can not be forced to watch ads bro. If I can skip ads by looking/walking away and/or turning off sound, then you can also decide to not watch their stream anymore if its not showing anything interesting. This form of self regulation seems to work because it gives freedom to creativity. For example, some large tournaments use large breaks of over 30 mins and keep running the same ads, this even happens before the tournament starts. What you are imposing a new form a regulation where on the one side people will have to watch ads (seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream), which is any advertisers (I am one of them) nightmare because "semi forced" supportive clicks and negative ad influence do not benefit them at all. And on the other side streamers are not able to bring up new creative sources of income, due to the strict regulation. Signs clearly saying "this stream is offline" and you still watching and complaining about ads seems incredibly out of this world to me. The stream might show online, but since you know for sure that the stream is offline you have the opportunity to leave. They should be able to run a stream like that all day, a beautiful thing called self regulation will show you that after a while people get sick of it, and they will never come back. This is perfect and needs not one bit of regulation. First, I'm not your bro. Second, this argument is illogical. No, sorry, this argument is bullshit. Yes, there is no guarentee that anyone is watching the advertisement; even with television people quite often get up to use the restroom, get a snack, etc. Advertisers know this, they're not stupid. They understand that a certain percentage of the audience recieving their ads are not watching them, my bet is that many ad agencies spend considerable time estimating this percentage and adjusting their pricing models respectively. That's not to say no one watches ads, occationally I will watch the ads when something looks interesting or grabs my attention; this is what advertisers count on. However if you have ad block on, they know that there is a 100% chance you are not seeing their advertisements, and will not pay out anything to the streamer for your view. Do you understand the the difference here? This has nothing to do with freedom or creativity. This has to do with ad-block users in essence stealing content from players. Many pros stream primarily as a means to get income and support themselves. They are providing you content and in turn your view provide them with some much needed extra cash. You want to talk about self regulation? If you are using ad-block, why should the players keep streaming? You'll self regulate player streams right into oblivion. (seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream) What god given right do you have to watch their content without supporting them? Watching the ads takes NO effort on your part, and in return really helps some of these players stay afloat. I really, really hate to say this but it applies here: people like you are hurting esports. No one is asking you to click on the ads and buy the products (that would actually be illegal and against TOS), no one is even asking you to watch them--go get a snack who cares--but blocking them completely deprives players of revenue that they have EARNED by giving you good free content. The same god given right that allows progamers to stream music without compensating the artist to increase their stream numbers and hence their ad revenue. They are not just "using content without supporting" the artist, but are using it for their own commercial gain. Just saying.
I'm not going to defend players over this. Eventually Twitch is going to get a cease and dissist from the MPAA and they are going to be forced to enforce it anyway, but still.
(as an aside, I would actually prefer that streamers leave all music off, so I can listen to my own music and still get the game sounds)
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On February 18 2012 05:05 0123456789 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 04:00 TheToast wrote:On February 18 2012 00:01 peacenl wrote:On February 13 2012 15:08 TheToast wrote:On February 13 2012 14:47 getSome[703] wrote:On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future. By "near future," I hope you mean starting immediately and ending never... But don't worry I use adblock anyway I would point out that using ad block is just as bad as what they were doing. They're getting something for doing nothing, you're giving them nothing and getting something. We can not be forced to watch ads bro. If I can skip ads by looking/walking away and/or turning off sound, then you can also decide to not watch their stream anymore if its not showing anything interesting. This form of self regulation seems to work because it gives freedom to creativity. For example, some large tournaments use large breaks of over 30 mins and keep running the same ads, this even happens before the tournament starts. What you are imposing a new form a regulation where on the one side people will have to watch ads (seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream), which is any advertisers (I am one of them) nightmare because "semi forced" supportive clicks and negative ad influence do not benefit them at all. And on the other side streamers are not able to bring up new creative sources of income, due to the strict regulation. Signs clearly saying "this stream is offline" and you still watching and complaining about ads seems incredibly out of this world to me. The stream might show online, but since you know for sure that the stream is offline you have the opportunity to leave. They should be able to run a stream like that all day, a beautiful thing called self regulation will show you that after a while people get sick of it, and they will never come back. This is perfect and needs not one bit of regulation. First, I'm not your bro. Second, this argument is illogical. No, sorry, this argument is bullshit. Yes, there is no guarentee that anyone is watching the advertisement; even with television people quite often get up to use the restroom, get a snack, etc. Advertisers know this, they're not stupid. They understand that a certain percentage of the audience recieving their ads are not watching them, my bet is that many ad agencies spend considerable time estimating this percentage and adjusting their pricing models respectively. That's not to say no one watches ads, occationally I will watch the ads when something looks interesting or grabs my attention; this is what advertisers count on. However if you have ad block on, they know that there is a 100% chance you are not seeing their advertisements, and will not pay out anything to the streamer for your view. Do you understand the the difference here? This has nothing to do with freedom or creativity. This has to do with ad-block users in essence stealing content from players. Many pros stream primarily as a means to get income and support themselves. They are providing you content and in turn your view provide them with some much needed extra cash. You want to talk about self regulation? If you are using ad-block, why should the players keep streaming? You'll self regulate player streams right into oblivion. (seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream) What god given right do you have to watch their content without supporting them? Watching the ads takes NO effort on your part, and in return really helps some of these players stay afloat. I really, really hate to say this but it applies here: people like you are hurting esports. No one is asking you to click on the ads and buy the products (that would actually be illegal and against TOS), no one is even asking you to watch them--go get a snack who cares--but blocking them completely deprives players of revenue that they have EARNED by giving you good free content. We are all bros, because we are all fatties online who drink Burger King milkshakes.
Does Burger King even have milkshakes? If so im going to go get one.
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On February 18 2012 05:24 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 05:05 0123456789 wrote:On February 18 2012 04:00 TheToast wrote:On February 18 2012 00:01 peacenl wrote:On February 13 2012 15:08 TheToast wrote:On February 13 2012 14:47 getSome[703] wrote:On February 13 2012 13:11 EG.DeMoN wrote:
I wasn't aware of the situation myself until I realized from one of my viewers told me that my stream was disabled from TL. No need to flame me, I'll be more cautious about non-stop ad spam in the near future. By "near future," I hope you mean starting immediately and ending never... But don't worry I use adblock anyway I would point out that using ad block is just as bad as what they were doing. They're getting something for doing nothing, you're giving them nothing and getting something. We can not be forced to watch ads bro. If I can skip ads by looking/walking away and/or turning off sound, then you can also decide to not watch their stream anymore if its not showing anything interesting. This form of self regulation seems to work because it gives freedom to creativity. For example, some large tournaments use large breaks of over 30 mins and keep running the same ads, this even happens before the tournament starts. What you are imposing a new form a regulation where on the one side people will have to watch ads (seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream), which is any advertisers (I am one of them) nightmare because "semi forced" supportive clicks and negative ad influence do not benefit them at all. And on the other side streamers are not able to bring up new creative sources of income, due to the strict regulation. Signs clearly saying "this stream is offline" and you still watching and complaining about ads seems incredibly out of this world to me. The stream might show online, but since you know for sure that the stream is offline you have the opportunity to leave. They should be able to run a stream like that all day, a beautiful thing called self regulation will show you that after a while people get sick of it, and they will never come back. This is perfect and needs not one bit of regulation. First, I'm not your bro. Second, this argument is illogical. No, sorry, this argument is bullshit. Yes, there is no guarentee that anyone is watching the advertisement; even with television people quite often get up to use the restroom, get a snack, etc. Advertisers know this, they're not stupid. They understand that a certain percentage of the audience recieving their ads are not watching them, my bet is that many ad agencies spend considerable time estimating this percentage and adjusting their pricing models respectively. That's not to say no one watches ads, occationally I will watch the ads when something looks interesting or grabs my attention; this is what advertisers count on. However if you have ad block on, they know that there is a 100% chance you are not seeing their advertisements, and will not pay out anything to the streamer for your view. Do you understand the the difference here? This has nothing to do with freedom or creativity. This has to do with ad-block users in essence stealing content from players. Many pros stream primarily as a means to get income and support themselves. They are providing you content and in turn your view provide them with some much needed extra cash. You want to talk about self regulation? If you are using ad-block, why should the players keep streaming? You'll self regulate player streams right into oblivion. (seriously you can not force anyone to watch ads and deprive them of their freedom because they are watching a stream) What god given right do you have to watch their content without supporting them? Watching the ads takes NO effort on your part, and in return really helps some of these players stay afloat. I really, really hate to say this but it applies here: people like you are hurting esports. No one is asking you to click on the ads and buy the products (that would actually be illegal and against TOS), no one is even asking you to watch them--go get a snack who cares--but blocking them completely deprives players of revenue that they have EARNED by giving you good free content. We are all bros, because we are all fatties online who drink Burger King milkshakes. Does Burger King even have milkshakes? If so im going to go get one.
There's only one thing you go to BK for: the Whopper. And even that is 50-50 with MD's.
Everything else MD's does way better. (have you guys ever tried their pancakes? Holy shit! Best fast food pancakes by a mile)
If BK has a milkshake I'm sure it would be gross.
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