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Money, I want more money! As I make more money I desire more money! I spend money, I need money. Money money money!
Between checking my bi-monthly payment statement and having a 4-piece meal @ KFC with coleslaw and coleslaw (yes, I get two coleslaws for my choice of two sides)... I honestly feel happier tasting the 18 spices and herbs.
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On February 09 2012 17:11 thedeadhaji wrote: But what if we had tons of money? What would be different? We'd still be able to get all those material things, but would no longer have to trade in our time to get them.
Wrong, the basic laws of economy say that if everyone has tons of money, then the value degrades.
Money are desirable because they are scarce (in a sense)
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...get away,
I would say that money are just exange for services/time or something, the problem lies in that we have become so obsessed with it that we often value it higher than the things we buy with them
If it was up to me, i would remove money on a "survival scale" as in buying food, homes and stuff. Then rather make it only for "consumer" objects, such as fancy clothes, plasma tvs, plasma cannons and such :D
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All I want is enough money to eat sleep in a house or apartment(doesnt matter) have a car, play games. The rest really isn't to important to me fancy shit doesn't really interest me. It would be nice to have millions just so I can help family or friends when they really need it. IF i had the millions I would do that for them any time. I do that now with just the small amount i make .
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More free time does not equal more freedom... A homeless guy will have more free time, but he is not free. Having more money definitely does not make you more free either.
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Is it money that buys happiness or the freedom of time?
Would you be happier if you had all the money in the world but never the time to appreciate it? Or the freedom of time to do whatever you want but not be paid very well?
I think I prefer time over money because I could live without fancy clothes/cars as they don't define me. Sure, going to exotic places can be nice, but i can have an equal amount of joy by going to a basic destination such as a diner, as long as its a good time.
However, there are spoiled rich kids who have the best of both worlds and possibly unhappy still. So I think "happiness" is just a state of mind and people always a choice to be happy, despite how good or bad one's financial situation is.
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thedeadhaji
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Your average 40 year old worker with a mortgage, car loan, 2 kids and a wife is so deep in the red with respect to financial balance, that he is scared shitless of losing his job. Absolutely terrified. He can't afford to not work, and cannot afford to risk doing anything that would jeopardize his job, because he has traded in his time in advance for a cash advance.
If you get into a situation where you have no choice but to have to spend X dollars per month (on paying back loans, or even just the basic necessities for your family), you've enslaved yourself to your monthly loan payments, and you have no such thing as freedom anymore. As people have said in the replies, you're enslaved to money and enslaved to a job. You're stuck.
The opposite state from this would be one where you're firmly in the black, and you actually have a choice to not work. I imagine that most people here are actually in the latter state, since people on this forum tend to be young and haven't made any deep financial commitments yet. This is quite frankly a powerful position to be in.
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On February 10 2012 01:49 thedeadhaji wrote: Your average 40 year old worker with a mortgage, car loan, 2 kids and a wife is so deep in the red with respect to financial balance, that he is scared shitless of losing his job. Absolutely terrified. He can't afford to not work, and cannot afford to risk doing anything that would jeopardize his job, because he has traded in his time in advance for a cash advance.
If you get into a situation where you have no choice but to have to spend X dollars per month (on paying back loans, or even just the basic necessities for your family), you've enslaved yourself to your monthly loan payments, and you have no such thing as freedom anymore. As people have said in the replies, you're enslaved to money and enslaved to a job. You're stuck.
The opposite state from this would be one where you're firmly in the black, and you actually have a choice to not work. I imagine that most people here are actually in the latter state, since people on this forum tend to be young and haven't made any deep financial commitments yet. This is quite frankly a powerful position to be in.
this is wrong but I'm about to take a test, brb
40yr olds can plan to allocate income across all expenses, while still having money for discretionary spending and investing for the future. young people on this forum tend to be in college and therefore have a ton of debt with little asset accrual, so we're aiming to take risks to accumulate our wealth now, until we get to the 40yo age you mentioned, whereupon we will enter a conservative state.
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On February 10 2012 01:53 mOnion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 01:49 thedeadhaji wrote: Your average 40 year old worker with a mortgage, car loan, 2 kids and a wife is so deep in the red with respect to financial balance, that he is scared shitless of losing his job. Absolutely terrified. He can't afford to not work, and cannot afford to risk doing anything that would jeopardize his job, because he has traded in his time in advance for a cash advance.
If you get into a situation where you have no choice but to have to spend X dollars per month (on paying back loans, or even just the basic necessities for your family), you've enslaved yourself to your monthly loan payments, and you have no such thing as freedom anymore. As people have said in the replies, you're enslaved to money and enslaved to a job. You're stuck.
The opposite state from this would be one where you're firmly in the black, and you actually have a choice to not work. I imagine that most people here are actually in the latter state, since people on this forum tend to be young and haven't made any deep financial commitments yet. This is quite frankly a powerful position to be in. this is wrong but I'm about to take a test, brb 40yr olds can plan to allocate income across all expenses, while still having money for discretionary spending and investing for the future. young people on this forum tend to be in college and therefore have a ton of debt with little asset accrual, so we're aiming to take risks to accumulate our wealth now, until we get to the 40yo age you mentioned, whereupon we will enter a conservative state.
I'd say his general sentiment about ability to take on risk stands, though. There's no better time to quit your job, start your own company, or just do whatever you want than the years after college when you're still unmarried and without kids. Regardless of what you do with it, you have the choice available to you; once you settle down, it's a lot harder to take those risks.
Money now is generally worth more than money later, as well, so it's not necessarily a bad thing to be in debt when you're young. Your money's perceived utility to you is also greater (assuming your earning power goes up over time), so some people actually suggest keeping your actual expenditures flat throughout your life (borrowing when you're young) if you're trying to maximize your money's utility.
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On February 09 2012 19:46 Cubu wrote: pretty sure everyone knew they could achieve freedom from having enough money not to work. The end goal of his blog was just to complain about people who spend too much money on nonessentials though. I think his statements are too broad and that things should be taken on a case by case basis.
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time is money but poor people have all the time in the world
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Every day i wake up at 5:30 am
I get home at 7:30pm
I do it 5 days a week, no holidays
And i do this cause i love trading, and i want to make a SHIT TON of money
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Once we get rid of extreme greed and get technologically advanced enough we can totally get rid of all money and everyone could just get everything they wanted and needed without problem (as long as we don't stupidly overpopulate the planet). Would be sweet.
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Live like a poor person and enjoy your wealth.
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thedeadhaji
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On February 10 2012 04:42 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:46 Cubu wrote: pretty sure everyone knew they could achieve freedom from having enough money not to work. The end goal of his blog was just to complain about people who spend too much money on nonessentials though. I think his statements are too broad and that things should be taken on a case by case basis.
Yeah, I think I should have done a better job at emphasizing this Needed a sentence or two somewhere in the latter half of the entry.
Will try again with another entry on money soon where I'll hopefully do a better job at not getting yourself into a position where you have no choice but to sell off your time in order to get money.
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Poverty is a mental illness. It sounds rather superficial but it took me a whole journey to figure out what that truly means. And you're right, money is freedom. Money is attracted to freedom, freedom is attracted to money. Because money is an idea, a notion. When people think "money", they are thinking the actual medium of exchange. But if you live with a mind of abundance, despite what is printed on your latest bank account statement, you will live a life of wealth. "Not having enough money" is not the problem. Not living a life of pure passion is. Because if one lives a life of pure, resistance-less passion...In other words, if one lives a life of freedom, money will roll in on it's own. However, that's all part of the ride. For some, it's easier; For many, it's difficult.
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