• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:17
CEST 19:17
KST 02:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 224ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon315.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes38Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)99
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 ZOWIE DIVINA preview Server Blocker StarCraft Mass Recall: SC1 campaigns on SC2 thread 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos)
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3368 users

Familiarity vs. Innovation: Metagaming in LoL - Page 2

Blogs > Riku
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
February 08 2012 03:17 GMT
#21
Cool write up, i agree with what your saying on the topic!
Greed leads to just about all losses.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 04:28:12
February 08 2012 03:31 GMT
#22
Riku are u online now?

ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
February 08 2012 03:40 GMT
#23
On February 08 2012 10:12 Roe wrote:
hi riku!


wow, said what i was about to say.

+ Show Spoiler +
hi
Jaedong :3
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
February 08 2012 04:21 GMT
#24
On February 08 2012 12:01 Riku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 11:52 Seiuchi wrote:
On February 08 2012 11:38 Riku wrote:

I agree with that, which is why I called it "stretching the meta" instead of "breaking the meta" in reference to M5's AD Kennen. While having a ranged AD bot is within the meta, Kennen is not considered an AD carry, so using him as one is a stretch of the metagaming concept of playing Kennen as AP top or mid.



See, this is where my hate for the community comes into place.

Talking about picking Kennen and then surprising your opponent by playing him AD is actual metagaming because you're countering established attitudes and conceptions.

But then since you use 'meta' to refer to standard gameplay as well NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE said together.


"Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metagaming


I believe both of our definitions are correct, but, please, hate as you will.

On the topic of metagame/metagaming, Chill wrote a giant post about it before, because he was mad:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130447

The only time I use the word metagame in a game of League, is when I first/second pick (before the enemy has picked a mid-laner) Kassadin for fun, and the enemy team sends a squishy AP mid instead of counter-picking, because it's the standard lane set-up. Then, as I get horribly fed, every time I kill the enemy, I yell 'METAGAME' (even though I'm misusing the word) into all-chat. That's about the only trolling I do, too. :3
you gotta dance
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 04:25:28
February 08 2012 04:23 GMT
#25
The meta can change a lot, it really depends on the game more than the players really. Dota meta changes so often it's hard to keep track even though it's been around for a lot longer, it just has so many more variables. LoL is a lot more rigid, and only certain things work because of game mechanics. Don't think it has anything to do with the players at all. If people want things to change they have to try a LOT harder, and often it will fail horribly the first time attempted.
Riku
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1064 Posts
February 08 2012 04:53 GMT
#26
On February 08 2012 12:31 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Riku are u online now?



Sorry, just had one class and running off to a meeting now. I'll probably be online later tonight, though I should be doing massive amounts of hw instead.

On February 08 2012 12:40 ReketSomething wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:12 Roe wrote:
hi riku!


wow, said what i was about to say.

+ Show Spoiler +
hi


Rofl, hello, there.

;D

Creative Director, CEO at Stumbling Cat, Writer for Broken Joysticks - Twitter: @RikuKat
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 08 2012 05:00 GMT
#27
I should too.. apparently I have a lab tomorrow and another midterm thursday XD
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
February 08 2012 05:54 GMT
#28
Breaking the meta is a gimmick, because every1 else figures out how to beat it, works as a surprise, or copies it, and it becomes a new meta.

Not playing within the meta also has some consequences. Because there is a jungler in LoL, you can break lane counters by picking a ganking jungler and actively ganking.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 08 2012 08:31 GMT
#29
Can't find u, just gonna go to bed.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
HomeStory Cup
11:30
XXIX - Playoffs Final Day
Clem vs Reynor
TBD vs Serral
TaKeTV6652
ComeBackTV 1696
TaKeSeN 606
IndyStarCraft 338
3DClanTV 137
Rex123
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 338
Rex 123
BRAT_OK 49
MindelVK 37
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25048
Calm 3230
Shuttle 1067
Jaedong 861
Soulkey 599
Rush 360
Mong 244
actioN 175
910 126
ZZZero.O 122
[ Show more ]
Dewaltoss 106
Zeus 75
Hyun 50
Sharp 42
Free 38
soO 36
Movie 32
HiyA 26
Rock 24
Sacsri 16
Dota 2
qojqva4039
Counter-Strike
fl0m704
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor444
Liquid`Hasu299
Other Games
singsing3258
Grubby1829
B2W.Neo910
byalli435
KnowMe171
ArmadaUGS139
QueenE53
UpATreeSC4
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick36306
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream150
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach17
• Pr0nogo 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Shiphtur330
• imaqtpie8
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
1d 17h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W1
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.