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On February 09 2012 23:20 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 00:33 Sm3agol wrote:On February 09 2012 00:14 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On February 08 2012 23:55 Itsmedudeman wrote:On February 08 2012 23:32 Candadar wrote:On February 08 2012 23:31 Uracil wrote:On February 08 2012 23:08 Candadar wrote:On February 08 2012 23:06 Valentir wrote: I saw LoL and comp play in same sentence, laughed. I don't see how people can compare it to Dota2 and HoN, which are the comp MOBA games. Just because it has a big price pool, meh. I think something needs to be said as well. People say "But like 200,000 people watch all the LoL streams! It's popular!" Fun fact: The stream is built into the game browser. So if you're on the browser of the game, changing runes or talking to friends or whatever, you're technically " watching" the stream -- even if you dont even know it's going on or watching it at all. That's not true. Please stop spreading false information. There's a link in the LOL client which links to the stream. You are not automatically watching the stream. Then I don't know if they changed that, because when I played a few months back, it was not like that. It used to be that if you were in the client, you were "watching" the stream. I remember a decent sized uproar going on about it roughly when I quit a few months back, so maybe they slipped it into some patch notes. Who knows. *shrug* These types of comments just prove my point that sc2 fans are scared and quite possibly jealous. It's quite hilarious. It's 200k people for real, and has nothing to do with stream advertising. Even weekly tournaments (the equivalent of eu weeklys for sc2) will get upwards of 40k-70k viewers with no link anywhere in the LoL client. I'd be scared too if my top players were all commenting about how shitty the game is. You mean like how top LoL player complain about how crappy the game is, and how the game is usually decided in the first 10 minutes? None of them say that because it's blatantly false... Chaox was complaining about that because they lost the finals against M5 by getting counterjungled and outlaned to all hell.
But then the M5 vs. CLG.eu was everything but snowballing. People get salty when they lose and say dumb shit all the time. BW pros and SC2 players are little different.
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honestly if anyone has ever complained about bnet2.0 or any thing in the sc2 ui you've obviously never played lol. It has no replays (thats not a third party program) there just recently was spectating, and it crash's more then you can ever believe.
the one thing that it has over sc2 is reconecting. If that was added to sc2 I think it would fix a lot of the lan problems.
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These types of things are dead to me to be honest... who cares. Let him play the game he likes more. I play LoL to relax cause I find controlling 1 unit and a couple of abilities much easier than controlling an army and microing / macroing. If Destiny wants to play LoL let him. I don't see why anybody needs to get so defensive that they feel they need to insult either game.
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hahaha, another kid who has never played LOL seriously at all, but thinks he can make a judgement on it. League of legends takes a certain awareness and coordination that you would never need in sc2. In SC2, you can win a ton of games by just becoming a very good mechanical player and doing the same thing all the time (Obviously creativity is rewarded, but not required. See: Ret). Plus starcraft 2 isnt even hard. Try playing BW.
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On February 08 2012 02:35 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 00:53 FuxFux wrote:I think no person can really deny the fact that Destiny lost touch with his stream viewers. The past few months, he gradually became less talkative and explanatory to people who came to him for knowledge, and learning. It is like he turned into stone before my eyes. It is not possible to be incredibly competitive and still goof off day in and day out. If you want to watch someone just "have fun" on stream and "be crazy" etc...etc..., then Dragon would be a good pick for you. I understand that this upsets some people, but, due to my desire to actually be competitive instead of only entertaining, it's something that has to have happened. Show nested quote +Still, I must say that it is surprising and shocking to find that Destiny thinks an easy, straight forward and slow-paced game such as League of Legends takes more skill than StarCraft 2. This kind of statement is in no way the result of a clear and lucid thought process. I've made some pretty outlandish statements recently, mostly out of anger, I think, due to how fucking stupid the vocal minority in this community is. That being said, the "strategy" aspect of Starcraft 2 is insanely lacking. I've given up trying to convince casuals of that, but I'd gladly discuss that aspect with any other pro gamer, and I'm pretty certain they'd agree with me. Show nested quote +Destiny, I understand that it is hard for you. I understand that you find games like LoL an easy way out, an escape. We all know that StarCraft 2 is a hard and demanding game and that improving can sometimes feel like climbing up an extremely steep cliff. My complaint has never been that Starcraft 2 is "hard", just that time invested into the game is everything, with strategy/intelligence taking a far far far backseat to just raw games invested. Show nested quote +But I do not understand how you can just give up like this. To publicly humiliate yourself by saying StarCraft 2 requires less skill than LoL? You could have quietly made the jump and switch to play only LoL and I would shed a few tears and go on with my life. But making this statement, I feel, is generally disrespecting the entire StarCraft 2 community, and specifically all the people who followed you vigorously. I'm only publically humiliating myself to the vocal minorities that only see 1 game, their legendary Starcraft 2, as the only competitive game in the world. I still think I could defend the statement that LoL (or any MOBA, honestly, especially DotA 2) requires more "skill" in terms of strategy/intelligence, BY FAR, than Starcraft 2. Show nested quote +A game that requires no skill such as LoL might make you feel relieved, you might feel good about yourself when you win matches. Owning noobs and what-not. But deluding yourself into believing you are actually playing a game superior to StarCraft 2 is unacceptable, and quite frankly, pathethic. "No skill" game makes you sound immature and bigoted, like your blessed Starcraft 2 is the only competitive game in the world. I wish you would have been around when all of the BW-fans were saying the exact same thing about SC2, and I can tell by the tone of your post that you weren't. Show nested quote +So, I just wanted to open this thread to share my discontempt with your statements, and to let you know that I have lost all respect for you. I know that I am but one fan you lost, so I decided to open it as a thread, to be able to gather the opinion of the rest of my (yes my, not your) community. Sorry if you feel that way, then. Show nested quote +Even though I no longer respect you, I do hope you will be able to one day find redemption. My life will never revolve around seeking redemption from fans. If you want to watch someone act politically correct, then I suggest Incontrol.
I love you! Always have and always will No matter what you do.
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On February 10 2012 03:54 FuxFux wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 02:35 Destiny wrote:On February 08 2012 00:53 FuxFux wrote:I think no person can really deny the fact that Destiny lost touch with his stream viewers. The past few months, he gradually became less talkative and explanatory to people who came to him for knowledge, and learning. It is like he turned into stone before my eyes. It is not possible to be incredibly competitive and still goof off day in and day out. If you want to watch someone just "have fun" on stream and "be crazy" etc...etc..., then Dragon would be a good pick for you. I understand that this upsets some people, but, due to my desire to actually be competitive instead of only entertaining, it's something that has to have happened. Still, I must say that it is surprising and shocking to find that Destiny thinks an easy, straight forward and slow-paced game such as League of Legends takes more skill than StarCraft 2. This kind of statement is in no way the result of a clear and lucid thought process. I've made some pretty outlandish statements recently, mostly out of anger, I think, due to how fucking stupid the vocal minority in this community is. That being said, the "strategy" aspect of Starcraft 2 is insanely lacking. I've given up trying to convince casuals of that, but I'd gladly discuss that aspect with any other pro gamer, and I'm pretty certain they'd agree with me. Destiny, I understand that it is hard for you. I understand that you find games like LoL an easy way out, an escape. We all know that StarCraft 2 is a hard and demanding game and that improving can sometimes feel like climbing up an extremely steep cliff. My complaint has never been that Starcraft 2 is "hard", just that time invested into the game is everything, with strategy/intelligence taking a far far far backseat to just raw games invested. But I do not understand how you can just give up like this. To publicly humiliate yourself by saying StarCraft 2 requires less skill than LoL? You could have quietly made the jump and switch to play only LoL and I would shed a few tears and go on with my life. But making this statement, I feel, is generally disrespecting the entire StarCraft 2 community, and specifically all the people who followed you vigorously. I'm only publically humiliating myself to the vocal minorities that only see 1 game, their legendary Starcraft 2, as the only competitive game in the world. I still think I could defend the statement that LoL (or any MOBA, honestly, especially DotA 2) requires more "skill" in terms of strategy/intelligence, BY FAR, than Starcraft 2. A game that requires no skill such as LoL might make you feel relieved, you might feel good about yourself when you win matches. Owning noobs and what-not. But deluding yourself into believing you are actually playing a game superior to StarCraft 2 is unacceptable, and quite frankly, pathethic. "No skill" game makes you sound immature and bigoted, like your blessed Starcraft 2 is the only competitive game in the world. I wish you would have been around when all of the BW-fans were saying the exact same thing about SC2, and I can tell by the tone of your post that you weren't. So, I just wanted to open this thread to share my discontempt with your statements, and to let you know that I have lost all respect for you. I know that I am but one fan you lost, so I decided to open it as a thread, to be able to gather the opinion of the rest of my (yes my, not your) community. Sorry if you feel that way, then. Even though I no longer respect you, I do hope you will be able to one day find redemption. My life will never revolve around seeking redemption from fans. If you want to watch someone act politically correct, then I suggest Incontrol. I love you! Always have and always will No matter what you do. No one really gives a shit for your patronizing, honestly.
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so funny when sc2 fanboys start crying when their beloved progamers start telling how sc2 really is
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On February 10 2012 05:15 blabber wrote: so funny when sc2 fanboys start crying when their beloved progamers start telling how sc2 really is Agreed, this thread is hilarious. I like how SC2 fans pretty much acts like BW fans when it comes to LoL/HoN etc.
Why is it that when LoL is compared to SC2, everyone says that it’s a “noob game” that “take no skill”. What you guys should say is:
- “SC2 had a good run, but even good things will come to an end.” - “LoL doesn’t take less skill, it’s just more focus on strategy! Who wants to see progamers macro anyway?” - “When MVP makes the switch we will se the full potential of LoL. Can’t wait!” - “Saying that LoL is an inferior game is just nostalgia!”
Sounds familiar? Think about it the next time you QQ about “BW elitism”.
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People are enamoring themselves on futile discussions such as: SC2 Vs LoL Debates, Destiny Bashing, and What is "skill" and how do you judge it? This went downhill hard after page 6.....only thing I can say to the above is, team games will always collectively take less INDIVIDUAL skill than a 1v1 game, no bashing, and that is a whole other can of worms.
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im sorry it took you this long to realize that
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ok i understand destiny saying DoTA takes more skill than sc2 because in some ways that is correct. DoTA requires so much team communication and chemistry and has the skill ceiling up the sky. I think individual's skill level is much harder in SC2 because only one controlling everything is the player. However, it's so crucial in DoTA to have a stable team to succeed and have good communication between players. LoL? It might be similar to DoTA in the sense that teamwork is crucial but the game got really dumbed down in a bad way (not like BW -> SC2 but stuff like no deny, free blink).
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... Your biggest fan, Stan (This is just a tribute to the best post in the world)
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As someone who plays both sc2 and dota 2 at a semi high level (high enough to occasionally hit pro players on the ladder in both games).
I think sc2 is a lot more mechanically demanding and benefits a lot more from just grinding out games to make sure you always spot things on the minimap and execute stuff well, things like that Dota on the other hand is a lot more dynamic game, and it's more about being able to make on the fly decisions, juking, being able to judge whehter I should use this dd rune to push or to gank, things like that. Even hero drafting is a very large part of the game, that obviously decides how the entire game is going to play out, and good drafting is a lot more advanced than it may look like at first glance.
Personally though, I think sc2 is the harder game to play at a high level out of the two, but they're such different games that focus on different aspects entirely, that they probably should'nt even be compared in the first place.
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On February 10 2012 05:38 gn0m wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:15 blabber wrote: so funny when sc2 fanboys start crying when their beloved progamers start telling how sc2 really is Agreed, this thread is hilarious. I like how SC2 fans pretty much acts like BW fans when it comes to LoL/HoN etc. Why is it that when LoL is compared to SC2, everyone says that it’s a “noob game” that “take no skill”. What you guys should say is: - “SC2 had a good run, but even good things will come to an end.” - “LoL doesn’t take less skill, it’s just more focus on strategy! Who wants to see progamers macro anyway?” - “When MVP makes the switch we will se the full potential of LoL. Can’t wait!” - “Saying that LoL is an inferior game is just nostalgia!” Sounds familiar? Think about it the next time you QQ about “BW elitism”.
Want to know what's worse than a fanboy?
One that can't admit it.
No one is saying LoL "takes no skill", we're saying it doesn't take more skill competitively than Starcraft. I don't even really watch Starcraft anymore, I mostly watch and play Moba games these days and I can still recognize that. That doesn't make SC2 a "better" game, or a more fun to watch game, or a more popular game. It just means it has a higher skill ceiling in its competitive area.
Yes, Starcraft fans in this thread are being extremely pretentious. But, surprise surprise, you're on a fucking forum dedicated to Starcraft and Starcraft related discussion, news, streams, and events. A forum that is arguably the most pretentious of forums on the entire internet. We are all elitists, that's why we come here instead of Battle.net or whatever. So don't kick and cry when people defend their game on their forum.
If we made this same exact thread on the LoL forums, everything would be switched and there would be a SC2 fan in your position making a similar post making fun of "LoL fanboys." You see how this works?
And please, stop trying to say what it's "like" and let's talk about what it "is" for once. Not to mention, as many have said before, this entire argument is entirely arbitrary. No one is going to change a fanboys mind over an internet discussion. Yes, I called you a fanboy. We're all fucking fanboys here, every last one of us for our own opinions. We come to threads like these to reaffirm and gratify our own ideas by trying to smash on others and make them look stupid or wrong or whatever. No one is going to convince anyone of anything on a subject like this. So I don't know why we make a thread like this.
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Want to know what's worse than a fanboy?
One that can't admit it.
No one is saying LoL "takes no skill", we're saying it doesn't take more skill competitively than Starcraft. .
A game that requires no skill such as LoL
That was the OP, want me to quote more?
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On February 10 2012 22:54 Pulzlulz wrote:Show nested quote + Want to know what's worse than a fanboy?
One that can't admit it.
No one is saying LoL "takes no skill", we're saying it doesn't take more skill competitively than Starcraft. .
That was the OP, want me to quote more?
Why dont you just take the time to actually read my entire post.
It might answer your question.
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1.6 takes so much more skill than Quake 3! You have to coordinate your team and have perfect chemistry otherwise you get demolished in a matter of seconds! All you have to do in Q3 is grind out games to make your aim and movement better! Any idiot can do it!!! No strat needed at all...
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Quake 3 is the true FPS e-sports! None of this casual Counter Strike bullshit, with randomness in your shots, and god it's so fucking sloooow i could play it with my eyes closed! Try hitting a strafe jumping target going at 300 mph while remembering your items timing! And no reliance on teammates either mano a mano motherfuckers (or rather rockets vs rockets...)!
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On February 10 2012 22:48 Candadar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:38 gn0m wrote:On February 10 2012 05:15 blabber wrote: so funny when sc2 fanboys start crying when their beloved progamers start telling how sc2 really is Agreed, this thread is hilarious. I like how SC2 fans pretty much acts like BW fans when it comes to LoL/HoN etc. Why is it that when LoL is compared to SC2, everyone says that it’s a “noob game” that “take no skill”. What you guys should say is: - “SC2 had a good run, but even good things will come to an end.” - “LoL doesn’t take less skill, it’s just more focus on strategy! Who wants to see progamers macro anyway?” - “When MVP makes the switch we will se the full potential of LoL. Can’t wait!” - “Saying that LoL is an inferior game is just nostalgia!” Sounds familiar? Think about it the next time you QQ about “BW elitism”. Want to know what's worse than a fanboy? One that can't admit it. What does this have to do with anything? If you are implying that I’m a blind fanboy I can assure you that I play neither LoL or SC2.
On February 10 2012 22:48 Candadar wrote: No one is saying LoL "takes no skill", we're saying it doesn't take more skill competitively than Starcraft. I don't even really watch Starcraft anymore, I mostly watch and play Moba games these days and I can still recognize that. That doesn't make SC2 a "better" game, or a more fun to watch game, or a more popular game. It just means it has a higher skill ceiling in its competitive area.
Um.. yes they do. Which was pointed out to you by Pulzlulz, who probably read your whole post. Maybe you should read the whole OP?
On February 10 2012 22:48 Candadar wrote: Yes, Starcraft fans in this thread are being extremely pretentious. But, surprise surprise, you're on a fucking forum dedicated to Starcraft and Starcraft related discussion, news, streams, and events. A forum that is arguably the most pretentious of forums on the entire internet. We are all elitists, that's why we come here instead of Battle.net or whatever. So don't kick and cry when people defend their game on their forum.
If we made this same exact thread on the LoL forums, everything would be switched and there would be a SC2 fan in your position making a similar post making fun of "LoL fanboys." You see how this works?
You are not really getting my point are you? What’s funny about this thread isn’t that people think that SC2 takes more skill than LoL (or vice versa). The funny thing is that SC2 fans cry when people say that BW takes more skill (“It is a totally different game, we can’t see the potential of SC2 until Flash switches, SC2 is more focused on strategy!”) while proceeding to bash LoL for being a noob game with easy mechanics. Double standard much?
On February 10 2012 22:48 Candadar wrote: And please, stop trying to say what it's "like" and let's talk about what it "is" for once. Not to mention, as many have said before, this entire argument is entirely arbitrary. No one is going to change a fanboys mind over an internet discussion. Yes, I called you a fanboy. We're all fucking fanboys here, every last one of us for our own opinions. We come to threads like these to reaffirm and gratify our own ideas by trying to smash on others and make them look stupid or wrong or whatever. No one is going to convince anyone of anything on a subject like this. So I don't know why we make a thread like this. You keep calling me a fanboy although I could care less about SC2 and LoL. The rest makes no sense (“stop trying to say what it's ‘like’ and let's talk about what it ‘is’ for once”).
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