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Yep, thats right. Grooveshark pulls out of Germany and GEMA is to blame.
If you visit http://grooveshark.com/ from Germany you'll get this message:
http://i.imgur.com/fa98x.jpg
In short, it means that the operation costs are too high due to GEMA's money claims. It's the same reason many youtube videos are blocked.
Now after my last blog someone suggested that I'd use Grooveshark for my smartphone, too. It worked perfectly fine and thanks to -Kaiser-(which recommended me an awesome radio station) I could always get new songs that I'd look for on Grooveshark and listen to. It didn't even use up that much bandwith which meant I could listen to songs on there even on the train ride home.
And now GEMA comes in with this stupid shit. I hate it.
It's not even a big secret that these idiots are doing nothing good and only look to increase their own profit.
If you wanna read up on the topic a bit, I found this link(German) on reddit: http://www.musiker-online.de/Newsdetails.newsdetails.0.html?&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=267&tx_ttnews[backPid]=10&cHash=226c5da554
It's pretty well written and has a reliable source.
I don't get how people can stand this shit. Yea on my computer I can use a proxy to bypass this but on my Smartphone I can't, at least not without much stress I don't want to deal with. I want to have it easy and no problems. I don't want to use shitty proxies that make everything worse.
But yea, GEMA. A big fuck you to them.
/rant. -_- Gotta stick to radio stations again.
 
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That's awful news. My SC2 playlist was on Grooveshark, now I'm going to have to put one together using local files.
First Pandora, now this. 
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Almost reminds me of some bills we have in the good old us of a right now.
Sorry.
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On January 18 2012 21:11 Chargelot wrote:Almost reminds me of some bills we have in the good old us of a right now. Sorry.
Well the thing is that SOPA is actually dangerous because there could be(and there are) people believing that SOPA/PIPA is just doing good, and you actually have to explain them why its bad.
But telling someone "They call for too much money because they only care about money. Therefore, people have to stop doing business or start to cut edges because they simply can't pay that much money" isn't that complicated. Yet, no one really cares.
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Yeah. Sad fact, GEMA simply sucks. I din't use Grooveshark myself but listen to a lot of music on Youtube (or used to), and GEMA is a royal pita.
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I loved Grooveshark Damn!
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Fucking GEMA. Not much else to say.
Spotify obviously also doesn't work in Germany because of GEMA and music videos on youtube are only available because there are 100 versions of every song and they can't get them all blocked....
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hey at least you have spotify dont you?
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On January 18 2012 21:22 Br3ezy wrote:
hey at least you have spotify dont you?
No, Grooveshark was our last hope. Everyone else already pulled out or didn't even try.
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On January 18 2012 21:22 Br3ezy wrote:
hey at least you have spotify dont you?
No :p
And without some proxy plugins for FF you can't even watch most of the interesting music vids on youtube.
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when I saw this today I was like "fuck dis shit", but I don`t use the app on the phone, so it`s not that big of a deal. Hotspot shield lets me access grooveshark anyways, but that doesn`t justify all the bullshit the GEMA constantly pulls. First youtube now music streaming plattforms. As I understand it spotify also won`t come to germany, because GEMA wants too much money.
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On January 18 2012 21:06 KeksX wrote:
It's not even a big secret that these idiots are doing nothing good and only look to increase their own profit.
Gee, it's almost as if companies are interested in making money.
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On January 18 2012 21:30 lolmlg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:06 KeksX wrote:
It's not even a big secret that these idiots are doing nothing good and only look to increase their own profit. Gee, it's almost as if companies are interested in making money.
GEMA is not a profit-oriented company! It's an association.
It's supposed to give money to bands, publishers and writers. Not to themselves.
For example, in 2008 only 60% of the "earned" money was given out to it's members. No word on the rest of the money, which would be something around 320 million €
No need to give this blog 1 star just because you don't know what GEMA is! 
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On January 18 2012 21:23 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:22 Br3ezy wrote:
hey at least you have spotify dont you? No, Grooveshark was our last hope. Everyone else already pulled out or didn't even try.
not 100% true, there is still simfy.de left which grooveshark even links to in their shutdown message.
but they dont have nearly as much artists as grooveshark and its mostly the stuff one can hear in charts/radio
sad day
edit:
wonder how long that one will be up
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why dont people just buy music
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On January 18 2012 21:40 Greenpeez wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:23 KeksX wrote:On January 18 2012 21:22 Br3ezy wrote:
hey at least you have spotify dont you? No, Grooveshark was our last hope. Everyone else already pulled out or didn't even try. not 100% true, there is still simfy.de left which grooveshark even links to in their shutdown message. but they dont have nearly as much artists as grooveshark and its mostly the stuff one can hear in charts/radio sad day edit: wonder how long the mobile site of grooveshark will be still up, which is posted above me
I didn't realize it was on the grooveshark page, I might try it out. But how long until simfy decides to shut down, either? From what I can see, it has even less songs than grooveshark, and grooveshark was also pretty limited. So... Not sure how it's going to survive!
I have to check it out when I come home, I don't think the mobile site is staying that much longer(for us).
It still doesn't justify the bullshit GEMA does.
@atmuh:
Thats what the GEMA is for. The GEMA will provide money to the artists so that we don't even have to buy the songs to make streaming sites profitable. The way GEMA works though is
a) not transparent
b) profit-oriented without looking to the artists firsts
c) as a result of b), way too expensive. Since the ones responsible for all this want a "fair share" for themselves.
And you know that GEMA makes irrational claims when everywhere else those services are still alive and legal(paying money to similar institutions/associations) but they only pull out of Germany.
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On January 18 2012 21:43 atmuh wrote:
why dont people just buy music
they do. My vinyl collection is worth more than 5.000 Euro.
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On January 18 2012 21:43 atmuh wrote:
why dont people just buy music
Because that's not what this is about. Seriously, don't comment if you didn't bother to read and understand the problem at hand, especially if you're adding nothing but a snide remark.
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Nooooo Grooveshark.
I loved its simplicity, its lack of resource-hungriness (could easily run it as a background app) and its huge (albeit not totally complete) collection of music of all styles and times.
Seriously, Gema first ruined youtube for all Germans and now Grooveshark. What kind of alternative is there? Except for simfy?
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On January 18 2012 21:59 Shockk wrote:Because that's not what this is about. Seriously, don't comment if you didn't bother to read and understand the problem at hand, especially if you're adding nothing but a snide remark.
so what is it about? the right to listen to whatever you want for free?
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On January 18 2012 22:15 TylerThaCreator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:59 Shockk wrote:On January 18 2012 21:43 atmuh wrote:
why dont people just buy music Because that's not what this is about. Seriously, don't comment if you didn't bother to read and understand the problem at hand, especially if you're adding nothing but a snide remark. so what is it about? the right to listen to whatever you want for free?
What is your point? Is television wrong? Is radio wrong? O_o
Please don't start useless discussions if you don't actually have a valid point to make. Streaming services are no different from radios, televisions etc when it comes to the way of making money: The streaming service creates income through advertisment/subs and pays money to a given associtation/institution that represents the artists. Everywhere, this works. But not with GEMA.
I don't mean to offend anybody but streaming services are in no way a bad thing for artists. I would even go that far to say that they are WAY better than radio stations and television, not only for the consumer.
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Yeah Grooveshark is in big troubles right now...i've been using it a lot for the past years and i always wondered how they did not got shut down. Every music streaming service that is free can't make it, they just get sued over and over unless they throw ridiculous amount of money to majors.
I didn't knew the state of music streaming was so bad in Germany, i use to always complain about how it sucks in France but poor germans, you have my support!
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Sad for Germany.
Is this related to the internation IP/copyright movement?
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yeah, this really sucks... glad that grooveshark lets you export your music library/playlists etc.
did anyone try this "simfy" that they recommend before and can give their opinion?
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Sigh, GEMA is always like that.
I remember being around when the local clubs at my city organized and sat together to find out who pays how much money towards the GEMA and it turned out... they made COMPLETELY different agreements with everyone basicly resulting in too high rates all over the place.
Not to mention most of their profit goes to the people who sell the most records, NOT towards the people who are being played the most.
<3 GEMA.
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On January 18 2012 22:25 Abort Retry Fail wrote:Sad for Germany. Is this related to the internation IP/copyright movement?
There's no sign pointing towards that. GEMA simply wants more money; maybe Grooveshark waited until today to raise awareness but I'm not sure.
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Wait ... you guys haven't realized that Grooveshark is not exactly legal? haha
GEMA is not the main problem here.
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On January 18 2012 22:36 werynais wrote:
Wait ... you guys haven't realized that Grooveshark is not exactly legal? haha
GEMA is not the main problem here.
Streaming is legal in Germany!
GEMA is actually the main problem "here", because this is not about Grooveshark in the U.S., which is a different topic.
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God I hate those guys... -___-
They ruin the entire music business. People that organize events have to pay large sums so all the smyll music festivals in my region have disappeared, and the prices for the ones that are left are just not reasonable. And now this.
Seriously, everybody should sign anti-gema petitions now. That's just idiocy.
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On January 18 2012 22:39 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 22:36 werynais wrote:
Wait ... you guys haven't realized that Grooveshark is not exactly legal? haha
GEMA is not the main problem here. Streaming is legal in Germany! GEMA is actually the main problem "here", because this is not about Grooveshark in the U.S., which is a different topic.
Dude please stop spreading your bullshit and educate yourself.
GEMA is the main problem right now, but GS will not exist like it is now for much longer.
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On January 18 2012 22:42 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 22:39 KeksX wrote:On January 18 2012 22:36 werynais wrote:
Wait ... you guys haven't realized that Grooveshark is not exactly legal? haha
GEMA is not the main problem here. Streaming is legal in Germany! GEMA is actually the main problem "here", because this is not about Grooveshark in the U.S., which is a different topic. Dude please stop spreading your bullshit and educate yourself. GEMA is the main problem right now, but GS will not exist like it is now for much longer.
What kind of bullshit am I spreading exactly? I said that Grooveshark in the U.S. is a different topic and has nothing to do with what happened there.
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seriously just fuck GEMA
i did put so much effort into my playlists and now grooveshark for us germans is gone. youtube is not an alternative because guess what, we cant watch music videos there because of Gema
i personally have no problem with paying for my music but i tested 3 different websites with a monthly subscription fee and always unsuscripted after one day because of 15 artists that i looked for (mainly asian) they did not have one single track of any of them.
seriously i dont know where to listen to my music anymore
also i cant use any proxy nonsene because i have to use the university internet in the dorm i live right now
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On January 18 2012 22:15 TylerThaCreator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 21:59 Shockk wrote:On January 18 2012 21:43 atmuh wrote:
why dont people just buy music Because that's not what this is about. Seriously, don't comment if you didn't bother to read and understand the problem at hand, especially if you're adding nothing but a snide remark. so what is it about? the right to listen to whatever you want for free?
The point is that the german GEMA is charging ridiculous fees for their services. They'll go up to 10 cents for a single view of a Youtube video, where similar organizations in other countries are doing a great job by charging about a thousandth of that.
While we're at it, every german citizen has to pay (this is madantory) the GEZ fee, which is support for public broadcasting. Fun fact, you have to do so regardless of whether or not you're actually using their services; you don't even need a device capable of receiving anything. It's no tax, but has to be paid, and they'll frequently visit people suspected of not paying and usually win every court battle when someone is brave enough to attack this ridiculous practice.
We're already paying for radio, TV and Internet services, (even if we're not using them), and we're cut off from streaming and video services because our dear GEMA has outlandish ideads about proper fees.
I don't see droves of american, british, french or other artists going bankrupt over the abuse of video and streaming services, but apparently it's a huge deal in Germany for no other reason than a weird part of our beaurocracy wanting to collect as much money as possible.
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omg... I fucking hate GEMA. From Germany, Youtube is basically not usable for music videos anymore since what feels like 3/4 of the videos are blocked. Now Grooveshark is gone, too...
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Wow germany what the fuck. Why are americans allowed to listen to my favorite band and i am not ...
Equality? Freedom? Sounds cool but unfortunatly we dont have those in germany. And im being serious here.
Youtube
Grooveshark
Deezer.com
Pandora Radio
Just to name a few of them.
I dont want to exaggerate here ... BUT:
THIS IS RACISM IN ITS FULL FORM. BECAUSE I WAS BORN IN GERMANY, I CANT LISTEN TO WHAT AMERICANS, FRENCH AND BRITISH PEOPLE AND RUSSIANS DO. WTF IS THIS.
that is not fair. im going to write a very angry letter to the responsibles for this. this cant be happening.
USA is in panic because of sopa ... u know what? all of this is happening in germany right now and nobody is doing anything about it. THX GERMANY. I ♥ U -.-"
EDIT: just to give all of you "non-germans" a little impression how things work here: I have to pay a fee called GEZ because I ..
.... COULD POTENTIALLY USE TV AND INTERNET ....
and therefore i pay. I dont even have a tv but what am i supposed to do against it? if i dont pay they come and take away everything i have. W.T.F
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Woa I was shocked for a second but grooveshark is still running in the good old austria. Normally we copy germany but hey, not today.
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Such fucking bullshit. Fuck this bunch of retarded hypocrites that acts like it actually protects the artist's interests. So fucking pathetic, ah, I'm so mad.
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god damit GEMA strikes again....
I really liked grooveshark because it was so easy to use and had such a nice design.
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well,
according to a statement released by GEMA (heise.de news article), grooveshark never wanted to even pay a minimal amount of money to GEMA and never contacted them at all.
seems like GEMA isn't the only one at fault here.
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I mildly dislike the GEMA. :-)
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On January 18 2012 23:57 aendi wrote:well, according to a statement released by GEMA (heise.de news article), grooveshark never wanted to even pay a minimal amount of money to GEMA and never contacted them at all. seems like GEMA isn't the only one at fault here.
Thanks for the article, that takes everything into a different perspective. At least in this situation, because GEMA is still a shady "organisation", or however you want to call it.
Let's see how, or if, groovesharks responds to this.
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LOL if you call GEMA a shady organization what do you call Grooveshark then?
Some of you guys really have a weird perspective of life.
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what the fuck....... just wanted to start laddering and see this crap
any alternatives ?
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On January 19 2012 00:25 werynais wrote:
LOL if you call GEMA a shady organization what do you call Grooveshark then?
Some of you guys really have a weird perspective of life.
I don't know whats wrong with you... Calling people's perspectives on lives weird just because they have different priorities and/or views. Don't make this discussion personal just to make your arguments stronger, please.
Do I call you an idiot for what you say? No. You have a right for your opinion and eventhough I don't agree with you I respect and accept it.
The fact that Grooveshark's staff uploaded copyrighted material and got sued for this was just plain dumb(of them for uploading this in the first place). But thats not shady. It's out there you can read it up for yourself. You know what they did and what they did was dumb. You can call them idiots for that, but not shady.
GEMA however is intransparent in the way they work and even their members don't always know whats going on. If thats not shady then I don't know what is.
Or what would you call shady?
@MyLastSerenade:
Yea, but not comfortable ones(Proxies etc). I didn't try simfy yet but maybe it's a good alternative.
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nooo... i need grooveshark
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On January 19 2012 00:33 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:25 werynais wrote:
LOL if you call GEMA a shady organization what do you call Grooveshark then?
Some of you guys really have a weird perspective of life. I don't know whats wrong with you... Calling people's perspectives on lives weird just because they have different priorities and/or views. Don't make this discussion personal just to make your arguments stronger, please. Do I call you an idiot for what you say? No. You have a right for your opinion and eventhough I don't agree with you I respect and accept it. The fact that Grooveshark's staff uploaded copyrighted material and got sued for this was just plain dumb(of them for uploading this in the first place). But thats not shady. It's out there you can read it up for yourself. You know what they did and what they did was dumb. You can call them idiots for that, but not shady. GEMA however is intransparent in the way they work and even their members don't always know whats going on. If thats not shady then I don't know what is. Or what would you call shady? @MyLastSerenade: Yea, but not comfortable ones(Proxies etc). I didn't try simfy yet but maybe it's a good alternative.
No, it's weird for you to call GEMA a shady organization when their objective is to protect the interests of musicians/the corporations associated with them when Grooveshark was operating illegally in Germany.
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On January 19 2012 00:45 TylerThaCreator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:33 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 00:25 werynais wrote:
LOL if you call GEMA a shady organization what do you call Grooveshark then?
Some of you guys really have a weird perspective of life. I don't know whats wrong with you... Calling people's perspectives on lives weird just because they have different priorities and/or views. Don't make this discussion personal just to make your arguments stronger, please. Do I call you an idiot for what you say? No. You have a right for your opinion and eventhough I don't agree with you I respect and accept it. The fact that Grooveshark's staff uploaded copyrighted material and got sued for this was just plain dumb(of them for uploading this in the first place). But thats not shady. It's out there you can read it up for yourself. You know what they did and what they did was dumb. You can call them idiots for that, but not shady. GEMA however is intransparent in the way they work and even their members don't always know whats going on. If thats not shady then I don't know what is. Or what would you call shady? @MyLastSerenade: Yea, but not comfortable ones(Proxies etc). I didn't try simfy yet but maybe it's a good alternative. No, it's weird for you to call GEMA a shady organization when their objective is to protect the interests of musicians/the corporations associated with them when Grooveshark was operating illegally in Germany.
Thats the point:
GEMA is supposed to do that, gets criticized by it's members for not doing so properly and hides what they do with 40% of the money they got.
What grooveshark did is a grey area in Germany. It is NOT illegal. It is arguable whether some of the things there are illegal or not (for example it would've been illegal to upload songs to grooveshark), but opening up grooveshark and listening to songs is legal, or at least in the grey area. And as long as grooveshark would've paid the amount demanded, it would've been legal for them, too. Thats why they stop now: They don't pay, so they close their service.
Remember:
We are not talking about actual crimes where people get hurt, we are talking about people wanting money. And as long as they get money, they are happy.
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Ugh, I hate Gema. After castrating Youtube they have to take away Grooveshark. Nice job, assholes!
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Well then I'll have to find ways around it, just like ProxTube for unblocking all of YouTube again.
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On January 19 2012 00:49 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:45 TylerThaCreator wrote:On January 19 2012 00:33 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 00:25 werynais wrote:
LOL if you call GEMA a shady organization what do you call Grooveshark then?
Some of you guys really have a weird perspective of life. I don't know whats wrong with you... Calling people's perspectives on lives weird just because they have different priorities and/or views. Don't make this discussion personal just to make your arguments stronger, please. Do I call you an idiot for what you say? No. You have a right for your opinion and eventhough I don't agree with you I respect and accept it. The fact that Grooveshark's staff uploaded copyrighted material and got sued for this was just plain dumb(of them for uploading this in the first place). But thats not shady. It's out there you can read it up for yourself. You know what they did and what they did was dumb. You can call them idiots for that, but not shady. GEMA however is intransparent in the way they work and even their members don't always know whats going on. If thats not shady then I don't know what is. Or what would you call shady? @MyLastSerenade: Yea, but not comfortable ones(Proxies etc). I didn't try simfy yet but maybe it's a good alternative. No, it's weird for you to call GEMA a shady organization when their objective is to protect the interests of musicians/the corporations associated with them when Grooveshark was operating illegally in Germany. Thats the point: GEMA is supposed to do that, gets criticized by it's members for not doing so properly and hides what they do with 40% of the money they got. What grooveshark did is a grey area in Germany. It is NOT illegal. It is arguable whether some of the things there are illegal or not (for example it would've been illegal to upload songs to grooveshark), but opening up grooveshark and listening to songs is legal, or at least in the grey area. And as long as grooveshark would've paid the amount demanded, it would've been legal for them, too. Thats why they stop now: They don't pay, so they close their service. Remember: We are not talking about actual crimes where people get hurt, we are talking about people wanting money. And as long as they get money, they are happy.
Please stop.
If you think it's legal for the user to "stream" his songs from grooveshark you may be right (i think you are not, look up a recent case where the court said streaming is no different than downloading, and thats completely right, i think it was kino.to), but thats not important.
GS does not have the right to stream songs because they don't have agreements with the record labels, why do you think they get sued all the time? THEY DONT PAY ROALITIES. THE ARTIST GETS NOTHING.
So GS gets money for something they didn't produce, the producer gets NOTHING, thats a crime, and shady.
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On January 19 2012 01:23 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:49 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 00:45 TylerThaCreator wrote:On January 19 2012 00:33 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 00:25 werynais wrote:
LOL if you call GEMA a shady organization what do you call Grooveshark then?
Some of you guys really have a weird perspective of life. I don't know whats wrong with you... Calling people's perspectives on lives weird just because they have different priorities and/or views. Don't make this discussion personal just to make your arguments stronger, please. Do I call you an idiot for what you say? No. You have a right for your opinion and eventhough I don't agree with you I respect and accept it. The fact that Grooveshark's staff uploaded copyrighted material and got sued for this was just plain dumb(of them for uploading this in the first place). But thats not shady. It's out there you can read it up for yourself. You know what they did and what they did was dumb. You can call them idiots for that, but not shady. GEMA however is intransparent in the way they work and even their members don't always know whats going on. If thats not shady then I don't know what is. Or what would you call shady? @MyLastSerenade: Yea, but not comfortable ones(Proxies etc). I didn't try simfy yet but maybe it's a good alternative. No, it's weird for you to call GEMA a shady organization when their objective is to protect the interests of musicians/the corporations associated with them when Grooveshark was operating illegally in Germany. Thats the point: GEMA is supposed to do that, gets criticized by it's members for not doing so properly and hides what they do with 40% of the money they got. What grooveshark did is a grey area in Germany. It is NOT illegal. It is arguable whether some of the things there are illegal or not (for example it would've been illegal to upload songs to grooveshark), but opening up grooveshark and listening to songs is legal, or at least in the grey area. And as long as grooveshark would've paid the amount demanded, it would've been legal for them, too. Thats why they stop now: They don't pay, so they close their service. Remember: We are not talking about actual crimes where people get hurt, we are talking about people wanting money. And as long as they get money, they are happy. Please stop. If you think it's legal for the user to "stream" his songs from grooveshark you may be right (i think you are not, look up a recent case where the court said streaming is no different than downloading, and thats completely right, i think it was kino.to), but thats not important. GS does not have the right to stream songs because they don't have agreements with the record labels, why do you think they get sued all the time? THEY DONT PAY ROALITIES. THE ARTIST GETS NOTHING. So GS gets money for something they didn't produce, the producer gets NOTHING, thats a crime, and shady.
Youtube had agreements with the copyright holders / record labels (in some cases) and those videos still got blocked by GEMA.
GEMA is an outdated, antiquated institution which hurts musicians, record labels and everyone asociated (as well as the end user). Only a small number of "artists" benefit from GEMA - and shockingly all those guys are directly involved in GEMA.
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On January 19 2012 01:37 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 01:23 werynais wrote:On January 19 2012 00:49 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 00:45 TylerThaCreator wrote:On January 19 2012 00:33 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 00:25 werynais wrote:
LOL if you call GEMA a shady organization what do you call Grooveshark then?
Some of you guys really have a weird perspective of life. I don't know whats wrong with you... Calling people's perspectives on lives weird just because they have different priorities and/or views. Don't make this discussion personal just to make your arguments stronger, please. Do I call you an idiot for what you say? No. You have a right for your opinion and eventhough I don't agree with you I respect and accept it. The fact that Grooveshark's staff uploaded copyrighted material and got sued for this was just plain dumb(of them for uploading this in the first place). But thats not shady. It's out there you can read it up for yourself. You know what they did and what they did was dumb. You can call them idiots for that, but not shady. GEMA however is intransparent in the way they work and even their members don't always know whats going on. If thats not shady then I don't know what is. Or what would you call shady? @MyLastSerenade: Yea, but not comfortable ones(Proxies etc). I didn't try simfy yet but maybe it's a good alternative. No, it's weird for you to call GEMA a shady organization when their objective is to protect the interests of musicians/the corporations associated with them when Grooveshark was operating illegally in Germany. Thats the point: GEMA is supposed to do that, gets criticized by it's members for not doing so properly and hides what they do with 40% of the money they got. What grooveshark did is a grey area in Germany. It is NOT illegal. It is arguable whether some of the things there are illegal or not (for example it would've been illegal to upload songs to grooveshark), but opening up grooveshark and listening to songs is legal, or at least in the grey area. And as long as grooveshark would've paid the amount demanded, it would've been legal for them, too. Thats why they stop now: They don't pay, so they close their service. Remember: We are not talking about actual crimes where people get hurt, we are talking about people wanting money. And as long as they get money, they are happy. Please stop. If you think it's legal for the user to "stream" his songs from grooveshark you may be right (i think you are not, look up a recent case where the court said streaming is no different than downloading, and thats completely right, i think it was kino.to), but thats not important. GS does not have the right to stream songs because they don't have agreements with the record labels, why do you think they get sued all the time? THEY DONT PAY ROALITIES. THE ARTIST GETS NOTHING. So GS gets money for something they didn't produce, the producer gets NOTHING, thats a crime, and shady. Youtube had agreements with the copyright holders / record labels (in some cases) and those videos still got blocked by GEMA. GEMA is an outdated, antiquated institution which hurts musicians, record labels and everyone asociated (as well as the end user). Only a small number of "artists" benefit from GEMA - and shockingly all those guys are directly involved in GEMA.
As a already said, GEMA is not the main Problem.
It's only a matter of time till GS gets shut down completely unless they start paying roalyties or make other agreements with the record labels.
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Gosh, I so hate GEMA. Nothing good ever comes from that...at this point, I sincerely apologize to my laptop for getting all the beatings GEMA deserves
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well grooveshark had some nice feature, but also was (quite) crowded with rcist-music (im mean _really_ racist shit).
so i read this with only 1 crying eye.
maybe you should check last.fm now. its almost the same. its comparing the music you listen and recommends more music related to that.
not sure if you can build playlists without getting a pro-account (what means to pay), but its still a quite nice tool and i found lot of new music there.
otherwise, well good old winamp ^^ there is also a online-radio-feature, but might take some time to find a good station (never used that, so im not sure)
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Please tell me, how does one boycott GEMA? 
Why do you think it's your or our music?
Because you like listening to it? For free?
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we all knew the GEMA was a joke -.-
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On January 19 2012 01:53 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 01:37 Zocat wrote:On January 19 2012 01:23 werynais wrote:On January 19 2012 00:49 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 00:45 TylerThaCreator wrote:On January 19 2012 00:33 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 00:25 werynais wrote:
LOL if you call GEMA a shady organization what do you call Grooveshark then?
Some of you guys really have a weird perspective of life. I don't know whats wrong with you... Calling people's perspectives on lives weird just because they have different priorities and/or views. Don't make this discussion personal just to make your arguments stronger, please. Do I call you an idiot for what you say? No. You have a right for your opinion and eventhough I don't agree with you I respect and accept it. The fact that Grooveshark's staff uploaded copyrighted material and got sued for this was just plain dumb(of them for uploading this in the first place). But thats not shady. It's out there you can read it up for yourself. You know what they did and what they did was dumb. You can call them idiots for that, but not shady. GEMA however is intransparent in the way they work and even their members don't always know whats going on. If thats not shady then I don't know what is. Or what would you call shady? @MyLastSerenade: Yea, but not comfortable ones(Proxies etc). I didn't try simfy yet but maybe it's a good alternative. No, it's weird for you to call GEMA a shady organization when their objective is to protect the interests of musicians/the corporations associated with them when Grooveshark was operating illegally in Germany. Thats the point: GEMA is supposed to do that, gets criticized by it's members for not doing so properly and hides what they do with 40% of the money they got. What grooveshark did is a grey area in Germany. It is NOT illegal. It is arguable whether some of the things there are illegal or not (for example it would've been illegal to upload songs to grooveshark), but opening up grooveshark and listening to songs is legal, or at least in the grey area. And as long as grooveshark would've paid the amount demanded, it would've been legal for them, too. Thats why they stop now: They don't pay, so they close their service. Remember: We are not talking about actual crimes where people get hurt, we are talking about people wanting money. And as long as they get money, they are happy. Please stop. If you think it's legal for the user to "stream" his songs from grooveshark you may be right (i think you are not, look up a recent case where the court said streaming is no different than downloading, and thats completely right, i think it was kino.to), but thats not important. GS does not have the right to stream songs because they don't have agreements with the record labels, why do you think they get sued all the time? THEY DONT PAY ROALITIES. THE ARTIST GETS NOTHING. So GS gets money for something they didn't produce, the producer gets NOTHING, thats a crime, and shady. Youtube had agreements with the copyright holders / record labels (in some cases) and those videos still got blocked by GEMA. GEMA is an outdated, antiquated institution which hurts musicians, record labels and everyone asociated (as well as the end user). Only a small number of "artists" benefit from GEMA - and shockingly all those guys are directly involved in GEMA. As a already said, GEMA is not the main Problem. It's only a matter of time till GS gets shut down completely unless they start paying royalties or make other agreements with the record labelslyt.
Thats the whole point. This is what the GEMA is there for. It was GEMAs job to make sure that Grooveshark does pay money so artists get their fair share, but they demanded such a high amount of money that Grooveshark decided it's not profitable to do this.
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On January 19 2012 02:41 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 01:53 werynais wrote:On January 19 2012 01:37 Zocat wrote:On January 19 2012 01:23 werynais wrote:On January 19 2012 00:49 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 00:45 TylerThaCreator wrote:On January 19 2012 00:33 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 00:25 werynais wrote:
LOL if you call GEMA a shady organization what do you call Grooveshark then?
Some of you guys really have a weird perspective of life. I don't know whats wrong with you... Calling people's perspectives on lives weird just because they have different priorities and/or views. Don't make this discussion personal just to make your arguments stronger, please. Do I call you an idiot for what you say? No. You have a right for your opinion and eventhough I don't agree with you I respect and accept it. The fact that Grooveshark's staff uploaded copyrighted material and got sued for this was just plain dumb(of them for uploading this in the first place). But thats not shady. It's out there you can read it up for yourself. You know what they did and what they did was dumb. You can call them idiots for that, but not shady. GEMA however is intransparent in the way they work and even their members don't always know whats going on. If thats not shady then I don't know what is. Or what would you call shady? @MyLastSerenade: Yea, but not comfortable ones(Proxies etc). I didn't try simfy yet but maybe it's a good alternative. No, it's weird for you to call GEMA a shady organization when their objective is to protect the interests of musicians/the corporations associated with them when Grooveshark was operating illegally in Germany. Thats the point: GEMA is supposed to do that, gets criticized by it's members for not doing so properly and hides what they do with 40% of the money they got. What grooveshark did is a grey area in Germany. It is NOT illegal. It is arguable whether some of the things there are illegal or not (for example it would've been illegal to upload songs to grooveshark), but opening up grooveshark and listening to songs is legal, or at least in the grey area. And as long as grooveshark would've paid the amount demanded, it would've been legal for them, too. Thats why they stop now: They don't pay, so they close their service. Remember: We are not talking about actual crimes where people get hurt, we are talking about people wanting money. And as long as they get money, they are happy. Please stop. If you think it's legal for the user to "stream" his songs from grooveshark you may be right (i think you are not, look up a recent case where the court said streaming is no different than downloading, and thats completely right, i think it was kino.to), but thats not important. GS does not have the right to stream songs because they don't have agreements with the record labels, why do you think they get sued all the time? THEY DONT PAY ROALITIES. THE ARTIST GETS NOTHING. So GS gets money for something they didn't produce, the producer gets NOTHING, thats a crime, and shady. Youtube had agreements with the copyright holders / record labels (in some cases) and those videos still got blocked by GEMA. GEMA is an outdated, antiquated institution which hurts musicians, record labels and everyone asociated (as well as the end user). Only a small number of "artists" benefit from GEMA - and shockingly all those guys are directly involved in GEMA. As a already said, GEMA is not the main Problem. It's only a matter of time till GS gets shut down completely unless they start paying royalties or make other agreements with the record labelslyt. Thats the whole point. This is what the GEMA is there for. It was GEMAs job to make sure that Grooveshark does pay money so artists get their fair share, but they demanded such a high amount of money that Grooveshark decided it's not profitable to do this.
You cant be serious now Oo, lets look at this quote from yourself:
On January 19 2012 00:11 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 23:57 aendi wrote:well, according to a statement released by GEMA (heise.de news article), grooveshark never wanted to even pay a minimal amount of money to GEMA and never contacted them at all. seems like GEMA isn't the only one at fault here. Thanks for the article, that takes everything into a different perspective. At least in this situation, because GEMA is still a shady "organisation", or however you want to call it. Let's see how, or if, groovesharks responds to this.
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Not to be US-focused, but this is the other side of the SOPA/PIPA debate. Yes, the bills are terrible and must be stopped at all costs, but sooner or later we as the Internet generation are going to have to get used to having to pay for things we like.
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On January 18 2012 21:43 atmuh wrote:
why dont people just buy music
buy music OR ELSE
your internet is GONE son
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On January 18 2012 21:43 atmuh wrote:
why dont people just buy music
Because at some point you just can't afford buying any more music blindly.
Although it's getting better now that the record labels are facing a hard time and production costs of making and distributing music are going down.
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On January 19 2012 03:51 HwangjaeTerran wrote:Because at some point you just can't afford buying any more music blindly. Although it's getting better now that the record labels are facing a hard time and production costs of making and distributing music are going down.
You don't buy cars blindly, right?
Why does everyone think music is some kind of fundamental right?
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I would pay for music, if it wouldn't finance the people, that make it harder for me to get music.
I don't want to pay for DRM or shitty distribution systems or marketing or packaging. I don't need it and don't want it.
Why is it so hard for the Music Industry to make Pirate Bay with paying? You go there, search for what you want, pay a reasonable price and get Music without a catch.
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On January 19 2012 05:19 Blurio wrote:
I would pay for music, if it wouldn't finance the people, that make it harder for me to get music.
I don't want to pay for DRM or shitty distribution systems or marketing or packaging. I don't need it and don't want it.
Why is it so hard for the Music Industry to make Pirate Bay with paying? You go there, search for what you want, pay a reasonable price and get Music without a catch.
this is exactly how buying music on amazon works
On January 19 2012 04:19 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 03:51 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On January 18 2012 21:43 atmuh wrote:
why dont people just buy music Because at some point you just can't afford buying any more music blindly. Although it's getting better now that the record labels are facing a hard time and production costs of making and distributing music are going down. You don't buy cars blindly, right? Why does everyone think music is some kind of fundamental right?
because theyve been stealing it for years
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the main problem is that EVERYONE EXCEPT GERMANS are allowed to use grooveshark. whats up with that huh?
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My hate is eternal. Grooveshark was THE music streaming platform. Now I have to use a proxy or similar shit to use grooveshark. Fuck you, GEMA.
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On January 19 2012 05:33 Coopa826 wrote:
the main problem is that EVERYONE EXCEPT GERMANS are allowed to use grooveshark. whats up with that huh?
Are you seriously asking?
Simple answer: different countries , different laws.
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Excuse my Aussie ignorance, but what is GEMA? (Fucking SOPA causing wikipedia to go down ;p)
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On January 19 2012 05:33 Coopa826 wrote:
the main problem is that EVERYONE EXCEPT GERMANS are allowed to use grooveshark. whats up with that huh?
Clearly it's a international conspiracy against Germans. Soon you will be working in our chocolate mines.(no music ofc)
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Damn that sucks, a lot of that bullshit going around. :/
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On January 19 2012 03:16 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:41 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 01:53 werynais wrote:On January 19 2012 01:37 Zocat wrote:On January 19 2012 01:23 werynais wrote:On January 19 2012 00:49 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 00:45 TylerThaCreator wrote:On January 19 2012 00:33 KeksX wrote:On January 19 2012 00:25 werynais wrote:
LOL if you call GEMA a shady organization what do you call Grooveshark then?
Some of you guys really have a weird perspective of life. I don't know whats wrong with you... Calling people's perspectives on lives weird just because they have different priorities and/or views. Don't make this discussion personal just to make your arguments stronger, please. Do I call you an idiot for what you say? No. You have a right for your opinion and eventhough I don't agree with you I respect and accept it. The fact that Grooveshark's staff uploaded copyrighted material and got sued for this was just plain dumb(of them for uploading this in the first place). But thats not shady. It's out there you can read it up for yourself. You know what they did and what they did was dumb. You can call them idiots for that, but not shady. GEMA however is intransparent in the way they work and even their members don't always know whats going on. If thats not shady then I don't know what is. Or what would you call shady? @MyLastSerenade: Yea, but not comfortable ones(Proxies etc). I didn't try simfy yet but maybe it's a good alternative. No, it's weird for you to call GEMA a shady organization when their objective is to protect the interests of musicians/the corporations associated with them when Grooveshark was operating illegally in Germany. Thats the point: GEMA is supposed to do that, gets criticized by it's members for not doing so properly and hides what they do with 40% of the money they got. What grooveshark did is a grey area in Germany. It is NOT illegal. It is arguable whether some of the things there are illegal or not (for example it would've been illegal to upload songs to grooveshark), but opening up grooveshark and listening to songs is legal, or at least in the grey area. And as long as grooveshark would've paid the amount demanded, it would've been legal for them, too. Thats why they stop now: They don't pay, so they close their service. Remember: We are not talking about actual crimes where people get hurt, we are talking about people wanting money. And as long as they get money, they are happy. Please stop. If you think it's legal for the user to "stream" his songs from grooveshark you may be right (i think you are not, look up a recent case where the court said streaming is no different than downloading, and thats completely right, i think it was kino.to), but thats not important. GS does not have the right to stream songs because they don't have agreements with the record labels, why do you think they get sued all the time? THEY DONT PAY ROALITIES. THE ARTIST GETS NOTHING. So GS gets money for something they didn't produce, the producer gets NOTHING, thats a crime, and shady. Youtube had agreements with the copyright holders / record labels (in some cases) and those videos still got blocked by GEMA. GEMA is an outdated, antiquated institution which hurts musicians, record labels and everyone asociated (as well as the end user). Only a small number of "artists" benefit from GEMA - and shockingly all those guys are directly involved in GEMA. As a already said, GEMA is not the main Problem. It's only a matter of time till GS gets shut down completely unless they start paying royalties or make other agreements with the record labelslyt. Thats the whole point. This is what the GEMA is there for. It was GEMAs job to make sure that Grooveshark does pay money so artists get their fair share, but they demanded such a high amount of money that Grooveshark decided it's not profitable to do this. You cant be serious now Oo, lets look at this quote from yourself: Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 00:11 KeksX wrote:On January 18 2012 23:57 aendi wrote:well, according to a statement released by GEMA (heise.de news article), grooveshark never wanted to even pay a minimal amount of money to GEMA and never contacted them at all. seems like GEMA isn't the only one at fault here. Thanks for the article, that takes everything into a different perspective. At least in this situation, because GEMA is still a shady "organisation", or however you want to call it. Let's see how, or if, groovesharks responds to this.
I said let's see how Grooveshark responds to this. Whats wrong about that?
GEMA first talks about their price for each song, which Grooveshark says is too high for them. Now GEMA says they didn't even want to pay ANYTHING, and now Grooveshark has to reply to that.
If they don't reply we know that Grooveshark is run by blatant idiots, but that doesn't change the way GEMA works in any way.
I think you just want to make a point that is clear for everyone and you want to somehow make me look wrong, but I'm not even saying anything that isn't common knowledge ... GEMA is clearly a shady organization and whether Grooveshark is or not is not clear yet. They can still end up being completely right in this whole case, but if they don't say anything, as I already said, they're clearly idiots. And shady as well. (Well we already know that there are/were idiots that uploaded illegal content.. But that were isolated cases)
I'm in no way saying anything like "We should abolish GEMA completely!!", I know that artists need money as well and I'm in no way demanding free music. But I do want a modern business model within the music industry and I think that companies like Grooveshark, simfy, pandora etc have the best ideas regarding that.
Oh, and about kino.to:
They weren't charged for the streaming service itself, because thats not illegal. They were charged for illegally uploading and hosting content. If they had talked to the right people and made contracts with them kino.to would still be alive.
@atmuh:
Don't generalize this. Listening to a music stream has nothing to do with stealing music. I don't own the music and as long as the artists get paid in any reasonable way it's fine.
However, downloading and saving these songs to your hdd without the artists getting any money whatsoever is indeed stealing. But thats why streaming services have to pay. But all that shold be done in a reasonable way, not with unrealistic and claims. Let me just remind you of the "youtube incident", where GEMA wanted up till 12 cents per video view(according to YT)
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Guys just install the "stealthy" addon for chrome or firefox. Then go to grooveshark with proxy make the proxy offline while on grooveshark then logoff and login and your playlists are there...very easy.ah and yes FUCK GEMA
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This is really shitty.
At any rate, as far as the debate is concerned, I'll start buying albums again when they aren't DRMed to shit and there's a good demo beforehand. I've still bought the albums of a couple of my favourite bands, but the Orwell crap is getting to me.
I stopped buying music when they stopped actually giving it to me.
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hmm using lastfm.de as alternative now.... its not the same but at least they play decent music :x
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