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I played a ladder match last night that ended in a base race. I had more units than he did, so I figured that I would win. I forgot that I was playing against a Terran. I had 300 minerals so I built pylons across the map, and continued stomping through his base. Then all of a sudden, his shit lifted off and flew off the edge of the map. I went back and killed all of his units that were still in my base, but not before he killed my nexus. I had no way to kill his buildings, and he had no units. It ended in a stalemate/tie/whatever.
The point of this blog is that that is fucking bullshit. If I had been playing a Zerg or Protoss, in the same situation, I would have won outright. But because of fucking building lifts, he was able to rob me of my rightfully-earned ladder points. Some may simply see this as me bitching about a few points in a lower league game (Silver), but I also have a solution to this problem.
My idea is that if a stalemate happens, and one player has no units, that the player who does have units remaining wins. This will completely avoid this stupid shit where Terrans can get lucky and lift their buildings when I have no flying units/probes/money for nexus etc. If you have no units at the end of the stalemate timer, you lose.
Comments, concerns? Tell me what you think.
IF YOU HAVE NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY, GO AWAY. THANK YOU
 
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How about blizzard gets rid of Flying buildings?
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That doesn't really work, because flying buildings is a hallmark of Terran play since Vanilla SC. I think it is a good and unique feature for the race, but maybe if they added something like a flight timer where if the building doesn't land in a certain period of time it crashes, or only has a certain amount of fuel before it force-lands or crashes if not over land.
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On December 25 2011 22:19 Golbat wrote:
I played a ladder match last night that ended in a base race. I had more units than he did, so I figured that I would win. I forgot that I was playing against a Terran. I had 300 minerals so I built pylons across the map, and continued stomping through his base. Then all of a sudden, his shit lifted off and flew off the edge of the map. I went back and killed all of his units that were still in my base, but not before he killed my nexus. I had no way to kill his buildings, and he had no units. It ended in a stalemate/tie/whatever.
The point of this blog is that that is fucking bullshit. If I had been playing a Zerg or Protoss, in the same situation, I would have won outright. But because of fucking building lifts, he was able to rob me of my rightfully-earned ladder points. Some may simply see this as me bitching about a few points in a lower league game (Silver), but I also have a solution to this problem.
My idea is that if a stalemate happens, and one player has no units, that the player who does have units remaining wins. This will completely avoid this stupid shit where Terrans can get lucky and lift their buildings when I have no flying units/probes/money for nexus etc. If you have no units at the end of the stalemate timer, you lose.
Comments, concerns? Tell me what you think.
How do you forget what race you are playing against? + Show Spoiler +Yeah, I know this isn't really meant literally but as you said in another post flying buildings are kind of a distinct trait for the Terran race. This needs to be considered when thinking about base racing.
Also, you seem to forget that the goal of StarCraft is to eliminate opposing players by destroying all of their buildings. If you can't destroy their buildings you don't deserve a win.
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What about ZVZ where one guy has a spine and one guy a zergling? Surely the guy with the zerglingh shouldn''t win? Or a PvP where one guy just has a phoenix left?
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Dude at this point like 45% of your posts could be responded to with the following:
"Golbat uses Screech!. . .
It's not very effective.."
Like.. do you see other people getting fed up and shouting bullshit when 2 banelings kill 14 marines out of the blue or idk, one DT changes the entire course of the game?
I've seen a player win a GSL match because they had a cloaked unit. I've lost to a Terran that just floated his shit. You get over it and if you want to be any good- you don't moan about it in a blog. We don't even care about our own shitty games that much, much less yours.
I hate to give it to you so harshly but damn it all your posts turn out this way. Be like White-Ra.
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A lot of non-Terrans agree with your sentiment, and I understand where you're coming from. Terrans certainly have the advantage when it comes to base-racing.
Besides giving lifted structures some sort of energy-specific bar (like gasoline) that counts down as the building runs out of flying fuel (and then once it hits zero, the building is automatically destroyed over water or forced to land over land), I don't think there's a solution.
You'll just need to make sure you save 400 minerals and a probe during a Terran base race, no matter what. ::shrugs:: You have different strategies against different races- that's part of your strategy against Terran (and really should be for all base races if you think it's going to be so close that it could force a stalemate).
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Sorry, if you don't want this to happen you are going to have to win games in a more convincing fashion. None of this base race stuff.
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On December 25 2011 22:30 msl wrote:
What about ZVZ where one guy has a spine and one guy a zergling? Surely the guy with the zerglingh shouldn''t win? Or a PvP where one guy just has a phoenix left?
Well perhaps if you counted turrets/cannons/spine/spore as attacking units, then this problem is solved. In the PvP example, what does the other guy have? If the other guy has units, he either can kill the phoenix or he can't if he has no units, he loses.
And Terran has an unfair advantage because of building lifts. If he couldn't lift his buildings, he would have lost, so the ability to lift his buildings and avoid a loss is stupid. If Terran buildings had a maximum time they could spend in the air, similar to an energy bar or something, I wouldn't have a problem at all.
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Hey. Your whining is neglecting my Christmas present. I gave you truth.
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On December 25 2011 22:34 Probe1 wrote:
Dude at this point like 45% of your posts could be responded to with the following:
"Golbat uses Screech!. . .
It's not very effective.."
Like.. do you see other people getting fed up and shouting bullshit when 2 banelings kill 14 marines out of the blue or idk, one DT changes the entire course of the game?
I've seen a player win a GSL match because they had a cloaked unit. I've lost to a Terran that just floated his shit. You get over it and if you want to be any good- you don't moan about it in a blog. We don't even care about our own shitty games that much, much less yours.
I hate to give it to you so harshly but damn it all your posts turn out this way. Be like White-Ra.
All of the bold, underlined and italicized parts are where you're being an asshole.
I give my take on an imbalance I see in the game with a relatively calm and intelligent mindset. And then you go off and be a huge prick, without adding anything meaningful to the conversation. Go away.
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On December 25 2011 22:40 Golbat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2011 22:30 msl wrote:
What about ZVZ where one guy has a spine and one guy a zergling? Surely the guy with the zerglingh shouldn''t win? Or a PvP where one guy just has a phoenix left? Well perhaps if you counted turrets/cannons/spine/spore as attacking units, then this problem is solved. In the PvP example, what does the other guy have? If the other guy has units, he either can kill the phoenix or he can't if he has no units, he loses. And Terran has an unfair advantage because of building lifts. If he couldn't lift his buildings, he would have lost, so the ability to lift his buildings and avoid a loss is stupid. If Terran buildings had a maximum time they could spend in the air, similar to an energy bar or something, I wouldn't have a problem at all.
Imagine a base race scenario where the Terran's buildings burn down and he loses, even though his army can destroy you. That is supposedly COMPLETELY unfair to the terran and he would be creating a blog post whining about it.
Not every race should have the same attributes, this is what makes SC so awesome.
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On December 25 2011 22:46 Rotodyne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2011 22:40 Golbat wrote:On December 25 2011 22:30 msl wrote:
What about ZVZ where one guy has a spine and one guy a zergling? Surely the guy with the zerglingh shouldn''t win? Or a PvP where one guy just has a phoenix left? Well perhaps if you counted turrets/cannons/spine/spore as attacking units, then this problem is solved. In the PvP example, what does the other guy have? If the other guy has units, he either can kill the phoenix or he can't if he has no units, he loses. And Terran has an unfair advantage because of building lifts. If he couldn't lift his buildings, he would have lost, so the ability to lift his buildings and avoid a loss is stupid. If Terran buildings had a maximum time they could spend in the air, similar to an energy bar or something, I wouldn't have a problem at all. Imagine a base race scenario where the Terran's buildings burn down and he loses, even though his army can destroy you. That is supposedly COMPLETELY unfair to the terran and he would be creating a blog post whining about it.
That is incorrect, because if my army killed his base before his army killed my base or my army, he dun goofed.
I will submit that in my case I also dun goofed, but in a less direct way. I failed to save 400 minerals for a new nexus, and this hypothetical Terran forgot to save his entire base. There is a big difference there.
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It's like if the only moves your pokemon had were Earthquake and Magnitude and your opponent's pokemon has levitate. Except you're a Golbat.
Make air units next time.
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You're kidding right? That's the .. ffs
You're in SILVER
..but you propose things like you know better than a multi million dollar company and thousands of professional players. You're going to remain in silver so long as you invest your time bitching instead of playing.
Good luck and merry christmas.
On December 25 2011 22:51 Rotodyne wrote:
OK I'm done here, this has been discussed to death in other places and people have been complaining (but mostly defending) this feature for over 10 years. It won't change, I can tell you that much.
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OK I'm done here, this has been discussed to death in other places and people have been complaining (but mostly defending) this feature for over 10 years. It won't change, I can tell you that much.
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"Make air units next time" Because I should expect to base race every time I push out? My first attack at like 8 minutes was what started the baserace because his units went the long way around the map and we didn't meet in the middle. That's an ignorant thing to say.
"Something about you being a Golbat" Fuck you and everyone you know. It wasn't funny the first time, and hasn't gotten funnier. At all
"QQ it won't change stop talking about it already wah" That's why I proposed the changes that I said. It's just an idea I had born out of not winning a ladder match due to building lifts.
"You're in silver you won't get any better by whining" You're still the guy being an ass and not being helpful or constructive. I'm offering an opinion, and my league has nothing to do with weather or not it is a viable idea.
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It's a dumb proposal though lol
Really, just be more mindful of the fact that some Terran buildings can move before you decide to base race.
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This is the advantage of playing terran, if you're playing against a terran it's your fault if you don't save the money for a nexus or have any air units. Also calm the fuck down "Fuck you and everyone you know" isn't what I would refer to as "a relatively calm and intelligent mindset".
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The problem with this complaint is that it essentially comes down to "If I was in the same situation vs the other two races I win". There are so many comparable situations when versing zergs or protoss that it's not even worth using examples. The only difference was you experienced a tie rather than an outright loss.
It seems unfair but it's not. All the races are different, they don't have to be equal in any given situation, in your case: base-racing.
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