EPTA Different Perspective on The NaNiwa Controversy - Page 17
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Vaeila
Netherlands336 Posts
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whoopingchow
United States293 Posts
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Ninjahoe
Sweden148 Posts
On December 16 2011 01:57 k!llua wrote: What Naniwa did was essentially the Starcraft 2 equivalent of this: People reacted exactly the same way back then as they did now: it wasn't against the rules, but it was certainly against the spirit of the game and action needed to be taken to prevent it from happening again. Just some perspective. To be honest, forbidding that in cricket is silly, you can get almost the exact same result by adjusting your throw. Wow I didn't know that rule existed, so silly... | ||
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Kitzz
Australia27 Posts
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
On December 16 2011 01:47 Bonkarooni wrote: You say that the Idra vs White-Ra situation was different, because IPL was behind schedule already...but let me tell you...Idra vs White ra was one of the matches EVERYONE was excited about. They WOULD of broadcasted that match, and it would of drawn a huge crowd. Idra did excatly the same thing here. I was disappointed when I heard White Ra vs Idra was canceled, and I know many others were too. This isn't the only time idras forfeitted a game vs an opponent either, MLG providence vs haypro? Yeah, it wasn't going to be broadcast...just played in the back, where hundreds of idra fans would of been standing, waiting for the game to be played. Seems like a let down to me IdrA was falling asleep in his booth before the WhiteRA game. It sucks that it was cancelled, you could say IdrA was "physically" unable to play his best, so he didn't try. Blame him for that if you want. You can bet EG told him "you better perform tomorrow" (and IIRC, he did win his match (against Thorzain I think?)) Another group at the very same tournament also decided to cancel a bunch of matches because of delays. As for MLG Providence, you are talking about a consolation match. IdrA missed the game because he was watching Huk play. He got a forfeit loss, lost a few hundred dollars. Not the end of the world. Those games don't get broadcasted at all, and a lot of people just flip coins to determine the winner. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
 This isn't a different perspective. It's the only sensible perspective. Well phrased. | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
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GPCyanide
Germany32 Posts
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Lumber1000jack
United States10 Posts
On December 16 2011 01:47 Bonkarooni wrote: You say that the Idra vs White-Ra situation was different, because IPL was behind schedule already...but let me tell you...Idra vs White ra was one of the matches EVERYONE was excited about. They WOULD of broadcasted that match, and it would of drawn a huge crowd. Idra did excatly the same thing here. I was disappointed when I heard White Ra vs Idra was canceled, and I know many others were too. This isn't the only time idras forfeitted a game vs an opponent either, MLG providence vs haypro? Yeah, it wasn't going to be broadcast...just played in the back, where hundreds of idra fans would of been standing, waiting for the game to be played. Seems like a let down to me As for the WhiteRa game, read Thrax's post and you'll understand it was better overall for Idra to not play that game as he wouldn't have been able to perform and it would have hurt his next day play very likely. As for the Haypro game, take it from me as I was there. Idra missed the game cause he didn't hear it called when he was watching Huk play. I can tell you this isn't BS cause I was in the audiance watching Huk and not only did I see Idra watching, but I never heard his game with Haypro called either, I didn't even know they were going to play until after when I heard he missed it. And as for the people who were waitning to watch it and missed out, I promise you that is a total of about 15 people. Sure plenty of people would have like to know who had won, especially after Haypro's amazing performance against NesTea earlier that day, But due to the game being played in player only area, very few people would have been able to watch it looking over his shoulder, and that is only if it was played on one of the edges rather than in the middle where no one would have seen it. NaNiwa's game was much higher profile which is why i warrants such a different reaction. | ||
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Random_0
United States1163 Posts
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ct2299
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Random_0
United States1163 Posts
For an MLB example: suppose the Red Sox and Yankees were about to meet in the playoffs, and they met to play on the last game of the regular season. Everyone would expect, for that meaningless game, that both teams would not bring their "A" game, no team would use their top starting pitchers, etc. Idra vs. White-Ra is the same thing. Both had nothing to gain, and were preparing themselves for the playoffs. So we shouldn't expect to see an epic game in that situation. Yes, we would like all the players to go all-out and reveal clever new strats in every game we individually watch. But this is unrealistic, and makes the truly epic games, the finals where everything really is on the line, that much more epic. | ||
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Acidosis
United States172 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On December 16 2011 01:57 EvOr wrote: A korean doing that would have been kicked out on his B-team. And gom would have probably also punished him. People were pissed because it was disrespectful for the opponent, organizers and Naniwa's own team plus to all the progamer who had liked to be invited to the tournament. Even Naniwa genuinly recognized he did something wrong. The only point which is still unclear is about the GOM/MLG code S seed thing. Maybe a korean would have been kicked out, but he would not have been punished the way naniwa did (seriously Choya saying it's a bastard ? Not deserving to be a pro ? seriously ?). And Naniwa just recognized sure, normal since EVERYBODY is on the poor guy. What he did was extreme, but damn it's so ridiculous, no reason for all that drama. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Naniwa channeled his inner Gheed, and I think anyone who's all "this hurts esports wahhhh". Who gives a shit about the money, I don't. I care about the game and the players. I guess this is why the FGC has had a tough time adapting to your "ESPORTS" vision. Too much weaksauce moneygrubbing bullshit. Oh you wanted Naniwa to go out and pretend to do his best in a match that meant nothing? Sorry pal, the illusion of grandeur may be important to you, but anyone with half a brain would have known it was two players playing sub-optimally. I can't stand people who want some stupid illusion to keep themselves happy. This seems a bit harsh to me, but I have to walk my dog. I don't mean to offend, I apologize if I have done so. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
This truly was the probe rush heard 'round the world. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On December 16 2011 02:48 Risen wrote: Meh, I read the whole thing this is what I got. It's not about the game, it's about the money. Seems pretty lame to me. Your argument seems to center on the fact that this hurts the potential ability of the players to make money. You're allowed to have that opinion. You see that as advancing ESPORTS or something. In your eyes, and feel free to let me know if I'm wrong here I hate putting words in other people's mouths when it isn't true, ESPORTS success is measured in how much money it makes. You're a CEO, I'm not surprised by this. In my eyes, and many other people's eyes, it's not about the money. I think his probe rush was hilarious, I was laughing my damn ass off. It's probably the most entertaining moment I've had in SC2 since the NASL finals. Entertainment achieved. Naniwa channeled his inner Gheed, and I think anyone who's all "this hurts esports wahhhh". Who gives a shit about the money, I don't. I care about the game and the players. I guess this is why the FGC has had a tough time adapting to your "ESPORTS" vision. Too much weaksauce moneygrubbing bullshit. Oh you wanted Naniwa to go out and pretend to do his best in a match that meant nothing? Sorry pal, the illusion of grandeur may be important to you, but anyone with half a brain would have known it was two players playing sub-optimally. I can't stand people who want some stupid illusion to keep themselves happy. This seems a bit harsh to me, but I have to walk my dog. I don't mean to offend, I apologize if I have done so. Great response, my thought exactly on all this. Glad people like you are still voicing their opinion in the current "e-sport" atmosphere. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10824 Posts
On December 16 2011 02:48 Risen wrote: Oh you wanted Naniwa to go out and pretend to do his best in a match that meant nothing? Sorry pal, the illusion of grandeur may be important to you, but anyone with half a brain would have known it was two players playing sub-optimally. I can't stand people who want some stupid illusion to keep themselves happy. This seems a bit harsh to me, but I have to walk my dog. I don't mean to offend, I apologize if I have done so. So everyone in every other sport in the world is an idiot, be it fan or pro? Intresting point... Don't you feel stupid when you post shit like this? | ||
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BlindSight754
Canada156 Posts
I agree that there is a difference in perception between a probe rush and what I described but there really isn't a difference. Its kindof sad that the community will blow up over one and just call the other a shitty game. Whatever, I hope all progamers have now learnt how to properly throw a match. Do an all-in cheese, you dont even have to try, and people wont care. | ||
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TheAngryZergling
United States387 Posts
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