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Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 04:57:20
December 10 2011 09:05 GMT
#1
Today after a long day of school, exams and then a school christmas concert to play in multiple times. I decided to sit my ass down and practise my mechanics as a player in Starcraft.

My inspiration was my friend who bought a TW account (I have no credit card QQ) and then he comes back to NA ladder and smokes it 86-17 or something like that. I was having massive troubles with TvP for the past few months so I asked him for a build order/strategy to follow. So I proceeded to watch the replay, study what goes when and why things go when/where they do. At the end of my 10 minute replay watching session I came up with a general build order to follow.

I got the gist of the strategy and joined the playhem daily. I get a zerg first round, smash him ezpz, then I get Inori.

Now of course I use my new build order to try and beat him, but everything was late. Timings weren't crisp, I didn't scout things thoroughly, and my timing attack was late, and null.

So I go back, and watch the 2 replays I now have. And I notice the simple mechanical skill between me and my friend, me and Inori. My friend got everything to align perfectly, and was at the protoss base by 10:30, I was sloppy and my attack started moving across the map at 11:00. The end score also surprised me, as me and my opponent did not touch each other and his score was 29k, to my 24k at which point i simply lost the battle and didn't really know how to proceed and i left.

I wanted to play like my friend, so I sat down playing Agria Valley over and over versus no-one working on the build order. Understanding the timings better, spending THE ENTIRE GAME moving my scv or reaper into areas of the map to replicate scouting (this made me miss a lot of timings, it was frustrating) and eventually I did it. After 1 hour I got it perfect, 10:30 at the enemy base. Then in the next hour I only got it right 2 more times. So in total, 2 hours of intensive build order/mechanics I get the build right a total of 3 times.

Now you might say, wow, in 2 hours you only did it 3 times? I actually like to think of it as a success. I think I am teaching myself to be proactive with my keyboard while scouting, and I'm much more aware of what is going on in the game as a result of it.

On December 11 2011 13:56 Thaniri wrote:
Man, I went on the ladder and I went 6-3, losing once to protoss. Then i got 3 more protoss, lost them all, and all the other games I was on tilt so I lost them too.
6-10 today.

Whats happening now, Is I'll get my build order down, and hit the timing where he has a very small army and no tech finished, then I'll choke on my micro and lose the game.

Its an unfortunate turn of events as I am a huge fan of this build, is there any advice on accelerated learning micro? Because in all matchups 90% of my losses are due to bad micromanagement. Most of the time I have better macro but I choke really hard on micro, I don't know a good way to learn this efficiently, because in a 10 minute game there is 1 minute of micro :S.



Now, at the end of this meandering and basically pointless blog. I'll ask with a quick question:

Amidoingitright?

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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
December 10 2011 09:18 GMT
#2
I enjoyed your blog thoroughly until the end.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
December 10 2011 09:21 GMT
#3
There's only 1 answer about if you're doing it right, go on the ladder and see if it works I noticed a lot of times in practice games/build order maps i can make a build perfectly. However when in a ladder game i have this extra anxiety and forget the most basic stuff sometimes
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
December 10 2011 09:24 GMT
#4
Ah OK. IM not much of a writer. I couldn't think of a good ending as it looked like a wandering story, in addition to me being tired o simply chose to end it abruptly. Now i really need to go to bed haha
mahi29
Profile Joined May 2011
United States235 Posts
December 10 2011 09:26 GMT
#5
Thats what I did. Not as intensively as you seem to have done - trying to hit a perfect timing, but I loaded up YABOT and simply played a 1-gate FE vT about 30 times running till about 7 minutes and restarting.

For me I wanted everything for the first 5-7 minutes to be constant. I also used it to get small things down. Like how early do I send my probe so that it arrives where I want it to when I have exactly 100 minerals. How late can I get my 3rd pylon and not get supply-blocked. Stuff like that is pretty easy to work on because in 95% of your games, those timings are constant.
One side benefit I noticed is when I forget something in my build like my 2nd pylon/or 2nd gas at the usual time, I notice it because I have more minerals than I should. Nice check imo
The mind is its own place, and in it self Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
December 10 2011 10:48 GMT
#6
Yup.

Practice the build order again and again, while replicating the scouting/harassing/microing of a nonpresent ennemy. You HAVE to be able to have crisp timing while focusing your attention elsewhere.

Basically, I'm doing the same thing, so I'm a bit biased
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
December 10 2011 16:02 GMT
#7
You're doing it right.

Now do two independant SCV's :D
sakhi20
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark42 Posts
December 10 2011 16:11 GMT
#8
On December 10 2011 18:21 Mithriel wrote:
There's only 1 answer about if you're doing it right, go on the ladder and see if it works I noticed a lot of times in practice games/build order maps i can make a build perfectly. However when in a ladder game i have this extra anxiety and forget the most basic stuff sometimes



This happens to me every once in a while, like the other day, were i had spent an houtr practicing a new 11 pool eco build and finally got it perfect. Then i took it to ladder, and forgot to build a spawning pool TT

@OP
Yes, i think you are doing it right, or at least pretty close to right.
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3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
December 10 2011 17:59 GMT
#9
You are doing it right, just try 2 SCVs then 3 SCVS then 4 SCVS. Then you are awesome

Also, I never had the patience to do this type of thing so I commend you. Now I may make myself gain patience
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
BlacKcuD
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany107 Posts
December 10 2011 21:49 GMT
#10
Again and again... like a Zombie. Read here why Zombies would own at Starcraft.
Avid map maker and e-sport enthusiast.
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
December 11 2011 04:56 GMT
#11
Man, I went on the ladder and I went 6-3, losing once to protoss. Then i got 3 more protoss, lost them all, and all the other games I was on tilt so I lost them too.
6-10 today.

Whats happening now, Is I'll get my build order down, and hit the timing where he has a very small army and no tech finished, then I'll choke on my micro and lose the game.

Its an unfortunate turn of events as I am a huge fan of this build, is there any advice on accelerated learning micro? Because in all matchups 90% of my losses are due to bad micromanagement. Most of the time I have better macro but I choke really hard on micro, I don't know a good way to learn this efficiently, because in a 10 minute game there is 1 minute of micro :S.
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