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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
watch this and see if your good to go still. | ||
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ChronoCat
266 Posts
On December 08 2011 22:06 Klonere wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SzH2SNOyZU watch this and see if your good to go still. I've only watched half of it, but wow, this is the perfect video to show people who claim they "want to go pro" when they don't realize it's not just simply a choice anyone can make. Talent exists, and no amount of hardwork or practice can guarantee that you'll ever be good enough. You don't go pro by just deciding one day that you want to. You play the game, and find out if you're good at it or not. If you are, then by all means, go ahead and try. But if you've played the game for a few weeks and are still stuck in silver/gold/plat... Chances are you're probably not good enough. OP, realize that becoming a pro-gamer isn't just about "working hard" and "mass gaming". Play the game more and if you genuinely think you're better than the average person at this game, only then can you start thinking about MAYBE "going pro". | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On December 08 2011 22:27 ChronoCat wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 08 2011 22:06 Klonere wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SzH2SNOyZU watch this and see if your good to go still. I've only watched half of it, but wow, this is the perfect video to show people who claim they "want to go pro" when they don't realize it's not just simply a choice anyone can make. Talent exists, and no amount of hardwork or practice can guarantee that you'll ever be good enough. You don't go pro by just deciding one day that you want to. You play the game, and find out if you're good at it or not. If you are, then by all means, go ahead and try. But if you've played the game for a few weeks and are still stuck in silver/gold/plat... Chances are you're probably not good enough. OP, realize that becoming a pro-gamer isn't just about "working hard" and "mass gaming". Play the game more and if you genuinely think you're better than the average person at this game, only then can you start thinking about MAYBE "going pro". Except that the problem here is that more established SC2 progamers, like IdrA, have the opinion that hard work is definitely the way to go. And I intend to agree with him more than with LastShadow, although I do respect him.. | ||
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ChronoCat
266 Posts
On December 08 2011 22:29 KeksX wrote: Except that the problem here is that more established SC2 progamers, like IdrA, have the opinion that hard work is definitely the way to go. And I intend to agree with him more than with LastShadow, although I do respect him.. I know of IdrA's famous quote about hard work, but which other established progamers think that hard work is the more important factor? By no means am I saying that hard work is not important. It's the only way you get better! And it's the main reason the Koreans are so good at the game; They practice very, very hard. But at the end of the day, talent + hard work will always triumph over hard work alone. If you're genuinely bad at the game, (e.g. stuck in silver after a month of playing), then no amount of hard work is going to help you beat someone who's naturally gifted at it. If you're average or slightly above average at the game, then there's a chance that through very hard work you'll be able to be good enough to compete at a high level, though probably not good enough to make a living out of it. Either way, it's still very important to gauge your skill level and natural talent, and how much of an impact hard work actually has on your improvement. I think a good example of someone who works hard but simply isn't talented enough is cArn. Now I might be completely wrong since I don't know much about him and barely follow the SC2 scene anymore, but I know he put everything aside and focused everything on SC2 practice in Korea back then. Practicing in Korea is pretty much THE best way to get better, and he did that for months. Yes, he's pretty good, and I'd consider him a high-level player... But he's never really gotten any real results. I'm very certain he's put in the hours and effort, but I personally believe he just doesn't have enough talent (note: I didn't say he has NO talent, I said not enough) to be able to compete at the top, top level. The only reason he's as good as he is right now is because he worked extremely hard for it. (I apologize if I have my facts wrong, but hopefully my I've gotten my point across). So in a way... Yes, even if you're not oozing out SC2 talent, you can be pretty damn good at the game just through sheer practice alone. But you're gonna need at least SOME amount of talent to be a high level player. If you're just naturally bad at the game (yes, there is such a thing), you'll very quickly reach a skill ceiling and cease to improve no matter how hard you try. I know this because I've experienced it myself (not in SC2 specifically). Also, to add to that, I recall an old interview with IdrA, and when asked about how he broke into the competitive scene, I distinctly remember him saying that after playing BW for a while, he noticed he was a lot better than his friends and decided to go for it. That right there isn't hard work, but realization of talent. Sure, IdrA probably practices a LOT now, but if I've got my facts right, realization of talent is still what got him started. | ||
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
On December 08 2011 22:06 Klonere wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SzH2SNOyZU watch this and see if your good to go still. Great vid, I haven't seen that one before for some reason, thanks for posting it. I agree 100% with everything lastshadow said. | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
On December 08 2011 19:26 TheBobackwards wrote: I apologize I didn't know I wasn't supposed to throw up a link. I only ment to show my support for Starcraft and eSports. I have removed the link, but have every intention to continue! =D I see your point masterbreti, but I really want to show my progress, so others can see in the future that you can reach such a goal if you put in the work and time. And yes Grend, I am currenlty Gold =D I think I'm pretty average, but I will make it even if I'm working till SC8 comes out =D Thank you for the comments, I really appreciate the "good lucks" =D Okay you have quite a long way to go, but I think you may gain something from this one way or another  You should put up the video! I found it entertaining and well produced Good luck! | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On December 08 2011 22:56 ChronoCat wrote: So in a way... Yes, even if you're not oozing out SC2 talent, you can be pretty damn good at the game just through sheer practice alone. But you're gonna need at least SOME amount of talent to be a high level player. If you're just naturally bad at the game (yes, there is such a thing), you'll very quickly reach a skill ceiling and cease to improve no matter how hard you try. I know this because I've experienced it myself (not in SC2 specifically). Also, to add to that, I recall an old interview with IdrA, and when asked about how he broke into the competitive scene, I distinctly remember him saying that after playing BW for a while, he noticed he was a lot better than his friends and decided to go for it. That right there isn't hard work, but realization of talent. Sure, IdrA probably practices a LOT now, but if I've got my facts right, realization of talent is still what got him started. Okay first... You don't know why he was that good at the time. Maybe he already played 24/7( = whenever he could), so I won't pick up on that.. Also, talent usually makes no difference in the beginning, if anything it makes it easier for you to learn. Talent will also make a difference in the highest level possible. However, You're suggesting(or at least thats what it sounds like) that someone with very high talent will be automatically be better than someone that does not have that much talent. As I said, this can be true for a certain period of time OR if both basically do practice the same amount of time, but until that point talent plays no role in the game. And if both equally work hard and efficently, talent won't play a big role(It WILL make the difference between winning and losing, but it won't be "bronze vs GM".) Now here's the deal: Mass gaming is not the same as practicing. Practicing includes a certain pattern, style or just routines that are proven to be efficient. For example in football you don't just play the game over and over again, but practice specific things over and over until you can do it while you sleep, and THEN you do it in the game. I don't know how cArn practices but I'm assuming that he has issues to practice efficiently or he is simply bad. Being bad isn't the opposite of having talent, it's just lack of certain things that come into play ... But it all comes down to what, how and how often/long you practice. So, in my opinion talent doesn't decide whether you can be professional or play on a high level, but practice does. Talent will decide whether or not you will be the number 1 or not(and I think thats where we agree). | ||
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Greem
730 Posts
Personally , i don't believe in talent, i believe that talent is just a huge passion inside crawling to do and become good at things we like. There's no certain way of knowing if it even exist. But hey maybe it is, so maybe destiny also exists, so maybe other stuff, we don't know. | ||
Chill
Calgary25996 Posts
Edit: In unrelated news I'm going to be the next prime minister of Canada. Thanks for your support guys! | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On December 08 2011 23:51 Chill wrote: No you aren't. If you were you'd be competitive / known / grandmaster / on a pro team / etc. before making this thread. Edit: In unrelated news I'm going to be the next prime minister of Canada. Thanks for your support guys! please vlog about your progress | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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TheBobackwards
United States25 Posts
I say "I'm going pro", because I don't want to put any doubt in my own mind, just by saying "I'm going to try to reach the pro's" leaves a possability that it wont happen, thus I say it the other way =D I appreciate the criticism, but I AM going to reach my goal one day =D | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:02 TheBobackwards wrote: I just wanted to say, I am going to work very hard, I do not think this will be easy by any means. I'm definately not expecting to be a pro in a few months, hell I don't know if i'll even reach diamond by then. I fully expect myself to be working hard for years to come. I say "I'm going pro", because I don't want to put any doubt in my own mind, just by saying "I'm going to try to reach the pro's" leaves a possability that it wont happen, thus I say it the other way =D I appreciate the criticism, but I AM going to reach my goal one day =D If you don't expect to reach diamond in a few months, then don't even try. Because everything below High Masters = scrubs. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25996 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:02 TheBobackwards wrote: I just wanted to say, I am going to work very hard, I do not think this will be easy by any means. I'm definately not expecting to be a pro in a few months, hell I don't know if i'll even reach diamond by then. I fully expect myself to be working hard for years to come. I say "I'm going pro", because I don't want to put any doubt in my own mind, just by saying "I'm going to try to reach the pro's" leaves a possability that it wont happen, thus I say it the other way =D I appreciate the criticism, but I AM going to reach my goal one day =D For reference, look at the number of people who have said and then became pro (0). Conversely, look at the people who didn't say shit, went and trained hard, and then become known from nothing (MANY). | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
On December 08 2011 23:51 Chill wrote: No you aren't. If you were you'd be competitive / known / grandmaster / on a pro team / etc. before making this thread. Edit: In unrelated news I'm going to be the next prime minister of Canada. Thanks for your support guys! I sense i bit of sarcasm in the edit <3 <3 <3 <3 | ||
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ROOTIllusion
United States1060 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25996 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:24 -Illusion- wrote: These posts are insults to many. It's not as easy as people tend to say it is and I have yet to see one good player emerge from these posts. No don't worry. Chill 2016 new prime minister fighting. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:36 Chill wrote: No don't worry. Chill 2016 new prime minister fighting. I love how you're constantly addressing the lack of a proper definition for the term "pro player". | ||
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icydergosu
528 Posts
 If he has spidery spider fingers he can make it. | ||
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